Net Neutrality is Dead.

dignin

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

And your awareness of this video came from watching MSNBC, or the conservative echo chamber?

We all know the answer, but it doesn't really matter

Ha. Hilarious. Well you can think what you want. The good news is that without Net Neutrality we will always have both MSNBC and a conservative echo chamber. 

You see what it comes down to is whether you side with the builders of the internet or the users of the internet. The builders, under big telecom, have created a platform that can be used by anyone. They don’t really have a horse in the race as long as the user pays. This might sound offensive to you but the good news is competition in the market allows for you to build your own internet provider if you do. If AT&T or Verizon are “throttling” people out another provider could come along and create a better service.

The users such as Google, Amazon, Facebook, Netflix etc on the otherhand desperately want a monopoly on access to the builder’s product. They want to stamp out all competitors to keep your eyeballs and your minds within their ecosystem. They search and collect every detail about you and want to manipulate you to think, buy and vote.

My mother like a lot of people on here tends to side with the users. She uses facebook, google, netflix everyday so that interaction is understandable to her. She doesn’t however have any clue with respect to the technology required to build the internet which hosts her favourite sites. When her service has the most basic interruption she calls her provider to yell at them even when all she had to do was reset her modem. She loves to complain about her bill even though she is getting data at blazing speeds. She is under the complete misconception that it is the provider who is her enemy while Facebook/Google/Netflix is her friend. 

This way of thinking couldn’t be more wrong. Big Providers are giving you a road to freedom. Big Users are trying to trap you in dead ends. In time they want fewer roads. They want you to have less freedom. 

Wow. The BS is turned up to 11 this morning. There is no way you are actually this naive.

CM189191

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

BS44325 said:

Net neutrality is not a victory. It is a loss for freedom on the internet once the FCC slowly starts applying decency standards. Over time speech will be curtailed, bloggers will require licensure, forums such as these will need permission from a goverment agency. Positivity and complacency has lead to this outcome.

None of that happened since this post in early 2015

Investment in new technologies dropped big time. That’s a fact. Net Neutrality curtails investments.

Where in your post he quoted did you mention investments? Trouble reading or just the usual bait and switch when you lost a point. More likely, more BS.

No point lost. Trump via Ajit Pai prevented the nightmare scenerio I warned about in February 2015. Obama FCC dream of regulating speech died before it could be fully realized. Twitter, Google (YouTube), Facebook etc, who are all supporters of Net Neutrality, have made and are making attempts to regulate speech and suppress competition but I am less concerned now.

Wow, that's so much stupidity packed into one post. Impressive. 

rgambs

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

BS44325 said:

Net neutrality is not a victory. It is a loss for freedom on the internet once the FCC slowly starts applying decency standards. Over time speech will be curtailed, bloggers will require licensure, forums such as these will need permission from a goverment agency. Positivity and complacency has lead to this outcome.

None of that happened since this post in early 2015

Investment in new technologies dropped big time. That’s a fact. Net Neutrality curtails investments.

Where in your post he quoted did you mention investments? Trouble reading or just the usual bait and switch when you lost a point. More likely, more BS.

No point lost. Trump via Ajit Pai prevented the nightmare scenerio I warned about in February 2015. Obama FCC dream of regulating speech died before it could be fully realized. Twitter, Google (YouTube), Facebook etc, who are all supporters of Net Neutrality, have made and are making attempts to regulate speech and suppress competition but I am less concerned now.

Whatever drugs y'all got up there in Canada, you need to share with us down here, I want something that will drive me to such heights of lunacy.

BS44325

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

And your awareness of this video came from watching MSNBC, or the conservative echo chamber?

We all know the answer, but it doesn't really matter

Ha. Hilarious. Well you can think what you want. The good news is that without Net Neutrality we will always have both MSNBC and a conservative echo chamber. 

You see what it comes down to is whether you side with the builders of the internet or the users of the internet. The builders, under big telecom, have created a platform that can be used by anyone. They don’t really have a horse in the race as long as the user pays. This might sound offensive to you but the good news is competition in the market allows for you to build your own internet provider if you do. If AT&T or Verizon are “throttling” people out another provider could come along and create a better service.

The users such as Google, Amazon, Facebook, Netflix etc on the otherhand desperately want a monopoly on access to the builder’s product. They want to stamp out all competitors to keep your eyeballs and your minds within their ecosystem. They search and collect every detail about you and want to manipulate you to think, buy and vote.

My mother like a lot of people on here tends to side with the users. She uses facebook, google, netflix everyday so that interaction is understandable to her. She doesn’t however have any clue with respect to the technology required to build the internet which hosts her favourite sites. When her service has the most basic interruption she calls her provider to yell at them even when all she had to do was reset her modem. She loves to complain about her bill even though she is getting data at blazing speeds. She is under the complete misconception that it is the provider who is her enemy while Facebook/Google/Netflix is her friend. 

This way of thinking couldn’t be more wrong. Big Providers are giving you a road to freedom. Big Users are trying to trap you in dead ends. In time they want fewer roads. They want you to have less freedom. 

Wow. The BS is turned up to 11 this morning. There is no way you are actually this naive.

You’re naive if you think Google and Facebook are your friends.

rgambs

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

And your awareness of this video came from watching MSNBC, or the conservative echo chamber?

We all know the answer, but it doesn't really matter

Ha. Hilarious. Well you can think what you want. The good news is that without Net Neutrality we will always have both MSNBC and a conservative echo chamber. 

You see what it comes down to is whether you side with the builders of the internet or the users of the internet. The builders, under big telecom, have created a platform that can be used by anyone. They don’t really have a horse in the race as long as the user pays. This might sound offensive to you but the good news is competition in the market allows for you to build your own internet provider if you do. If AT&T or Verizon are “throttling” people out another provider could come along and create a better service.

The users such as Google, Amazon, Facebook, Netflix etc on the otherhand desperately want a monopoly on access to the builder’s product. They want to stamp out all competitors to keep your eyeballs and your minds within their ecosystem. They search and collect every detail about you and want to manipulate you to think, buy and vote.

My mother like a lot of people on here tends to side with the users. She uses facebook, google, netflix everyday so that interaction is understandable to her. She doesn’t however have any clue with respect to the technology required to build the internet which hosts her favourite sites. When her service has the most basic interruption she calls her provider to yell at them even when all she had to do was reset her modem. She loves to complain about her bill even though she is getting data at blazing speeds. She is under the complete misconception that it is the provider who is her enemy while Facebook/Google/Netflix is her friend. 

This way of thinking couldn’t be more wrong. Big Providers are giving you a road to freedom. Big Users are trying to trap you in dead ends. In time they want fewer roads. They want you to have less freedom. 

Wowee you are off the rails!
You're suggesting it's easier to create an internet service provider with all of it's hardware and infrastructure than to create software like social media platforms???

BS44325

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

BS44325 said:

Net neutrality is not a victory. It is a loss for freedom on the internet once the FCC slowly starts applying decency standards. Over time speech will be curtailed, bloggers will require licensure, forums such as these will need permission from a goverment agency. Positivity and complacency has lead to this outcome.

None of that happened since this post in early 2015

Investment in new technologies dropped big time. That’s a fact. Net Neutrality curtails investments.

Where in your post he quoted did you mention investments? Trouble reading or just the usual bait and switch when you lost a point. More likely, more BS.

No point lost. Trump via Ajit Pai prevented the nightmare scenerio I warned about in February 2015. Obama FCC dream of regulating speech died before it could be fully realized. Twitter, Google (YouTube), Facebook etc, who are all supporters of Net Neutrality, have made and are making attempts to regulate speech and suppress competition but I am less concerned now.

Whatever drugs y'all got up there in Canada, you need to share with us down here, I want something that will drive me to such heights of lunacy.

Actually you don’t. The drugs up here will be worse once the LCBO (Liquor Control Board of Ontario) takes over this coming summer.

BS44325

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

And your awareness of this video came from watching MSNBC, or the conservative echo chamber?

We all know the answer, but it doesn't really matter

Ha. Hilarious. Well you can think what you want. The good news is that without Net Neutrality we will always have both MSNBC and a conservative echo chamber. 

You see what it comes down to is whether you side with the builders of the internet or the users of the internet. The builders, under big telecom, have created a platform that can be used by anyone. They don’t really have a horse in the race as long as the user pays. This might sound offensive to you but the good news is competition in the market allows for you to build your own internet provider if you do. If AT&T or Verizon are “throttling” people out another provider could come along and create a better service.

The users such as Google, Amazon, Facebook, Netflix etc on the otherhand desperately want a monopoly on access to the builder’s product. They want to stamp out all competitors to keep your eyeballs and your minds within their ecosystem. They search and collect every detail about you and want to manipulate you to think, buy and vote.

My mother like a lot of people on here tends to side with the users. She uses facebook, google, netflix everyday so that interaction is understandable to her. She doesn’t however have any clue with respect to the technology required to build the internet which hosts her favourite sites. When her service has the most basic interruption she calls her provider to yell at them even when all she had to do was reset her modem. She loves to complain about her bill even though she is getting data at blazing speeds. She is under the complete misconception that it is the provider who is her enemy while Facebook/Google/Netflix is her friend. 

This way of thinking couldn’t be more wrong. Big Providers are giving you a road to freedom. Big Users are trying to trap you in dead ends. In time they want fewer roads. They want you to have less freedom. 

Wowee you are off the rails!
You're suggesting it's easier to create an internet service provider with all of it's hardware and infrastructure than to create software like social media platforms???

Hell no. It is waaaay harder. Which is why one should have far more respect for the builders who have given us this open gift. Certainly we appreciate the search and social media platforms but we should not let their business wants dictate the rules of the underlying system.

Halifax2TheMax

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

And your awareness of this video came from watching MSNBC, or the conservative echo chamber?

We all know the answer, but it doesn't really matter

Ha. Hilarious. Well you can think what you want. The good news is that without Net Neutrality we will always have both MSNBC and a conservative echo chamber. 

You see what it comes down to is whether you side with the builders of the internet or the users of the internet. The builders, under big telecom, have created a platform that can be used by anyone. They don’t really have a horse in the race as long as the user pays. This might sound offensive to you but the good news is competition in the market allows for you to build your own internet provider if you do. If AT&T or Verizon are “throttling” people out another provider could come along and create a better service.

The users such as Google, Amazon, Facebook, Netflix etc on the otherhand desperately want a monopoly on access to the builder’s product. They want to stamp out all competitors to keep your eyeballs and your minds within their ecosystem. They search and collect every detail about you and want to manipulate you to think, buy and vote.

My mother like a lot of people on here tends to side with the users. She uses facebook, google, netflix everyday so that interaction is understandable to her. She doesn’t however have any clue with respect to the technology required to build the internet which hosts her favourite sites. When her service has the most basic interruption she calls her provider to yell at them even when all she had to do was reset her modem. She loves to complain about her bill even though she is getting data at blazing speeds. She is under the complete misconception that it is the provider who is her enemy while Facebook/Google/Netflix is her friend. 

This way of thinking couldn’t be more wrong. Big Providers are giving you a road to freedom. Big Users are trying to trap you in dead ends. In time they want fewer roads. They want you to have less freedom. 

Wow. The BS is turned up to 11 this morning. There is no way you are actually this naive.

You’re naive if you think Google and Facebook are your friends.

And you’re super naive if you think Comcast, ATT, Cox or any other cable/internet provider are your friends. Because we all know corporations put the consumer first.

BS44325

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

dignin said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

And your awareness of this video came from watching MSNBC, or the conservative echo chamber?

We all know the answer, but it doesn't really matter

Ha. Hilarious. Well you can think what you want. The good news is that without Net Neutrality we will always have both MSNBC and a conservative echo chamber. 

You see what it comes down to is whether you side with the builders of the internet or the users of the internet. The builders, under big telecom, have created a platform that can be used by anyone. They don’t really have a horse in the race as long as the user pays. This might sound offensive to you but the good news is competition in the market allows for you to build your own internet provider if you do. If AT&T or Verizon are “throttling” people out another provider could come along and create a better service.

The users such as Google, Amazon, Facebook, Netflix etc on the otherhand desperately want a monopoly on access to the builder’s product. They want to stamp out all competitors to keep your eyeballs and your minds within their ecosystem. They search and collect every detail about you and want to manipulate you to think, buy and vote.

My mother like a lot of people on here tends to side with the users. She uses facebook, google, netflix everyday so that interaction is understandable to her. She doesn’t however have any clue with respect to the technology required to build the internet which hosts her favourite sites. When her service has the most basic interruption she calls her provider to yell at them even when all she had to do was reset her modem. She loves to complain about her bill even though she is getting data at blazing speeds. She is under the complete misconception that it is the provider who is her enemy while Facebook/Google/Netflix is her friend. 

This way of thinking couldn’t be more wrong. Big Providers are giving you a road to freedom. Big Users are trying to trap you in dead ends. In time they want fewer roads. They want you to have less freedom. 

Wow. The BS is turned up to 11 this morning. There is no way you are actually this naive.

You’re naive if you think Google and Facebook are your friends.

And you’re super naive if you think Comcast, ATT, Cox or any other cable/internet provider are your friends. Because we all know corporations put the consumer first.

They absolutely aren’t my friend but the existing rules have allowed for this great creation and the existing laws keep them honest. More control by bureaucrats is not necessary.

rgambs

This all reads like bad dialogue from a scene where "big telecom" sits around a table with tophats and cigars trying to devise a propaganda strategy for how to sell their newest customer screwing cash grab.
The only thing missing is some "now see here!" and a "I say!" peppered throughout.

BS44325

BS44325 said:

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

my2hands said:

BS44325 said:

Net neutrality is not a victory. It is a loss for freedom on the internet once the FCC slowly starts applying decency standards. Over time speech will be curtailed, bloggers will require licensure, forums such as these will need permission from a goverment agency. Positivity and complacency has lead to this outcome.

None of that happened since this post in early 2015

Investment in new technologies dropped big time. That’s a fact. Net Neutrality curtails investments.

Where in your post he quoted did you mention investments? Trouble reading or just the usual bait and switch when you lost a point. More likely, more BS.

No point lost. Trump via Ajit Pai prevented the nightmare scenerio I warned about in February 2015. Obama FCC dream of regulating speech died before it could be fully realized. Twitter, Google (YouTube), Facebook etc, who are all supporters of Net Neutrality, have made and are making attempts to regulate speech and suppress competition but I am less concerned now.

Whatever drugs y'all got up there in Canada, you need to share with us down here, I want something that will drive me to such heights of lunacy.

Actually you don’t. The drugs up here will be worse once the LCBO (Liquor Control Board of Ontario) takes over this coming summer.

This is actually a great comparison...

For about a year or two up until about 6 months ago (give or take) Toronto was in a great place with respect to weed. As the federal government was preparing to legalize dispensaries were popping up everywhere that had unbelievable selection and great prices. It was the equivalent to the unregulated internet...growing in incredible ways. Then all of a sudden the Ontario government decided it would put weed under the control of the puritan LCBO (similar to forcing the internet into 1930’s telecom rules) and the open weed marketplace disappeared. Dispensaries have been raided and shut down. Supply has been harder to come by. Choices have been reduced. Sure we’ll have legal access to green in the summer but it will be under the LCBO’s rules. Buying booze in Ontario sucks...buying weed will be worse. All good though....it’s Weed Neutrality.

BS44325

rgambs said:

This all reads like bad dialogue from a scene where "big telecom" sits around a table with tophats and cigars trying to devise a propaganda strategy for how to sell their newest customer screwing cash grab.
The only thing missing is some "now see here!" and a "I say!" peppered throughout.

“Big platform” is having the same meeting except they’re sitting around in their hipster boardroom with big beards, thick rimmed glasses, and starbucks plotting on a white board how to keep their newest customers from thinking for themselves. The only thing missing are a couple of hashtags and emojis peppered throughout.

brianlux

During my early years in dealing with depression an anxiety, one of the ways I coped was to watch Dave Letterman.  That might sound dumb but I loved Letterman's show and it gave me something to look forward to at the end of the day.  Now I cope better but when depression sets it (which it always does, eventually) the internet is my Letterman for the 2010's.  If I were to lose internet connection, I'd have to keep my wife up late (which she would NOT like) or convince the cat to wear glasses and do a top ten count down every night.

Lizard

Wow...good for you Montana

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/370133-montana-becomes-first-state-to-implement-net-neutrality-rules-following-fcc

Montana Gov. Steve Bullock (D) signed an executive order on Monday requiring internet service providers with state contracts to abide by net neutrality principles.

The order makes his state the first to push back on the Federal Communications Commission’s decision to repeal the open internet rules last month.

“There has been a lot of talk around the country about how to respond to the recent decision by the Federal Communications Commission to repeal net neutrality rules, which keep the internet free and open. It’s time to actually do something about it,” Bullock said in a statement.

“This is a simple step states can take to preserve and protect net neutrality. We can’t wait for folks in Washington DC to come to their senses and reinstate these rules.”

The order says that in order to receive a contract with the state government, internet service providers must not engage in blocking or throttling web content or create internet fast lane. Those practices were all banned under the Obama-era 2015 net neutrality order.

The Republican FCC voted to dismantle those rules in December.

Developing...

brianlux

I don't understand this subject very well.  For whatever reason, I do not grok it well.  Can someone explain net neutrality in simple terms and the advantages and disadvantages?  Thanks!

CM189191

You're welcome
https://youtu.be/f99PcP0aFNE

brianlux

CM189191 said:

You're welcome
https://youtu.be/f99PcP0aFNE

Holy shit, sorry, I could not not not follow this guy.

Pap

oftenreading

Brian, watch this video.  Maybe this explanation will make more sense

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/01/25/burger-king-charges-different-prices-in-lesson-on-net-neutrality_a_23343327/?utm_hp_ref=ca-homepage

brianlux

oftenreading said:

Brian, watch this video.  Maybe this explanation will make more sense

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/01/25/burger-king-charges-different-prices-in-lesson-on-net-neutrality_a_23343327/?utm_hp_ref=ca-homepage

Will check it out tonight, thanks!