Net Neutrality is Dead.

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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,395
    MayDay10 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    I hated paying extra back in the day for a faster damn speed...

    They (phone companies) are losing the grip on the market so they are trying to do whatever they can to make money.
    This has been building for awhile, and especially the past 10 years.  Cable companies are being antiquated and have a future of blockbuster video.  They have it very good.  Somehow legal racketeering, price fixing, and monopolistic behavior.  They somehow own the exclusive ISP rights... and also worked on getting tentacles out into other things like buying content (such as Comcast/NBC).  

    They have been losing their grip as the proliferation of streaming options has taken hold and our information and technology moves toward that.  They have held on to their sports blackout restriction thread as their last holdout to force consumers into maxing out.  Their only business model is to preserve their monopolistic hold and practices.

    This gives all the cards to the cable companies/telecoms.  They can write the rules now and control the whole industry.  Control the content we can access.  Make us pay for content.  Strategically organize content into tiers that extract the maximum amount of money out of each individual and family.

    In short, Donald Trump and the Republicans can give a shit about you and me and this proves it.
    I remember the FCC getting more power under Dubya Bush and the FCC loosening restrictions.
  • CM189191
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    CM189191 said:
    Both sides are the same. Or is it, “Clinton would have been worse?”
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    I’m so glad I stayed home in Election Day. I sure did show Hillary.


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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,674

    The FCC just voted to repeal its net neutrality rules, in a sweeping act of deregulation


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/12/14/the-fcc-is-expected-to-repeal-its-net-neutrality-rules-today-in-a-sweeping-act-of-deregulation/?utm_term=.ad5af673c2e3&wpisrc=al_news__alert-economy--alert-national&wpmk=1


    This is fucking brutal.

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  • CM189191
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    PJ_Soul said:

    The FCC just voted to repeal its net neutrality rules, in a sweeping act of deregulation


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/12/14/the-fcc-is-expected-to-repeal-its-net-neutrality-rules-today-in-a-sweeping-act-of-deregulation/?utm_term=.ad5af673c2e3&wpisrc=al_news__alert-economy--alert-national&wpmk=1


    This is fucking brutal.

    In other news, it will now cost 5 cents per post on AMT from now on. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    If my home connection is censored or my speeds affected or get a flood of shit I don’t want, I’m canceling. In reality, who needs it?
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    You like your ridiculously expensive cable bill? Now you will get a similar bill from your Internet provider! At least the Trump administration is taking care of big business again.
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,854
    edited December 2017
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    If my home connection is censored or my speeds affected or get a flood of shit I don’t want, I’m canceling. In reality, who needs it?
    Honest answer?  Everyone needs it.

    Its already massive, but before long, Internet is going to be everything.  It already is expanding into all facets of interpersonal communication and entertainment.  Within a few years, we will likely get all our entertainment online, telephone calls, receive news, secure our homes, perform more and more aspects of our jobs, you name it.  You own or start a business?  Need internet.  

    It is a utility, and people/consumers need to be protected against the monopolies.  

    For real, this is the type of thing that makes me consider leaving the country.  We are circling a drain.  Vampires are sucking us dry.
    Post edited by MayDay10 on
  • CM189191
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    If my home connection is censored or my speeds affected or get a flood of shit I don’t want, I’m canceling. In reality, who needs it?
    my employer does.  we have thousands of remote employees.  information stored in servers all around the world.  sharing information company-wide is critical for our business.  now our data is going to be held hostage by every isp from new york to los angeles.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Yup. The Internet is now a utility, much like electricity and water. It is how other utility meters are read. It is used in security systems. Entertainment systems. Computers, toys, medical devices, kitchen appliances. People use the Internet to find jobs, to pay bills, to perform their work. They call it the Internet of Everything, and connected devices are ubiquitous. The Internet is no longer a novelty or an extravagant nicety. It is essential to being part of our modern society. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    CM189191 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    If my home connection is censored or my speeds affected or get a flood of shit I don’t want, I’m canceling. In reality, who needs it?
    my employer does.  we have thousands of remote employees.  information stored in servers all around the world.  sharing information company-wide is critical for our business.  now our data is going to be held hostage by every isp from new york to los angeles.
    Mayday and CM, I meant for the home, I sleep 8 hours a day and I'm at work 8 hours a day plus commute. Why should I pay $150/month for internet/cable/phone when I might watch or surf the web a small portion of my home hours? I meant me personally, at home, could live without it. I get that society is dependent on it but why do people need their refrigerator to order their milk? "There's an app for that." Fucking stupid. And, what does everyone do when the power goes out? Freak out, that's what.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,674
    edited December 2017
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    If my home connection is censored or my speeds affected or get a flood of shit I don’t want, I’m canceling. In reality, who needs it?
    Isn't internet access considered a human right now? Like the others, I definitely think it's necessary, for lots of reasons. That's what makes this decision by the FCC so atrocious.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • CM189191
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    Once again, this will screw over tRump supporting states the most.  Washington state is already taking steps to protect net neutrality.  Other progressive states like MN won't be far behind.  Meanwhile, people in Mississippi are wondering what this new-fangled internet thingy is.


  • CM189191
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    CM189191 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    If my home connection is censored or my speeds affected or get a flood of shit I don’t want, I’m canceling. In reality, who needs it?
    my employer does.  we have thousands of remote employees.  information stored in servers all around the world.  sharing information company-wide is critical for our business.  now our data is going to be held hostage by every isp from new york to los angeles.
    Mayday and CM, I meant for the home, I sleep 8 hours a day and I'm at work 8 hours a day plus commute. Why should I pay $150/month for internet/cable/phone when I might watch or surf the web a small portion of my home hours? I meant me personally, at home, could live without it. I get that society is dependent on it but why do people need their refrigerator to order their milk? "There's an app for that." Fucking stupid. And, what does everyone do when the power goes out? Freak out, that's what.
    Yes, my employer has thousands of remote employees.  That means they work from home M-F 5 days a week.  This is significantly going to affect our IT expense overhead. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,229
    CM189191 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    CM189191 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    If my home connection is censored or my speeds affected or get a flood of shit I don’t want, I’m canceling. In reality, who needs it?
    my employer does.  we have thousands of remote employees.  information stored in servers all around the world.  sharing information company-wide is critical for our business.  now our data is going to be held hostage by every isp from new york to los angeles.
    Mayday and CM, I meant for the home, I sleep 8 hours a day and I'm at work 8 hours a day plus commute. Why should I pay $150/month for internet/cable/phone when I might watch or surf the web a small portion of my home hours? I meant me personally, at home, could live without it. I get that society is dependent on it but why do people need their refrigerator to order their milk? "There's an app for that." Fucking stupid. And, what does everyone do when the power goes out? Freak out, that's what.
    Yes, my employer has thousands of remote employees.  That means they work from home M-F 5 days a week.  This is significantly going to affect our IT expense overhead. 
    That sound you hear? The unemployment rate going up. How large is the internet economy? Just wondering because they bitched about ObamaCare affecting 1/6th of the economy.
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  • Go Beavers
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    So is today the day America is great again? 
  • tempo_n_groove
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    OK.  I got "throttled" back in 2010 for using too much bandwidth on my phone...

    In 2003 I could pay for higher speeds of ethernet connections.

    In 2000 I could switch from dial up to cable.

    It's been going on for years.  

    Bandwidth is the last big moneymaker for a dying industry but I don't see how they can make a last surge at making billions now?
  • CM189191
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    OK.  I got "throttled" back in 2010 for using too much bandwidth on my phone...

    In 2003 I could pay for higher speeds of ethernet connections.

    In 2000 I could switch from dial up to cable.

    It's been going on for years.  

    Bandwidth is the last big moneymaker for a dying industry but I don't see how they can make a last surge at making billions now?
    this is much much different
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    jeffbr said:
    Yup. The Internet is now a utility, much like electricity and water. It is how other utility meters are read. It is used in security systems. Entertainment systems. Computers, toys, medical devices, kitchen appliances. People use the Internet to find jobs, to pay bills, to perform their work. They call it the Internet of Everything, and connected devices are ubiquitous. The Internet is no longer a novelty or an extravagant nicety. It is essential to being part of our modern society. 
    Not to mention how this discourages independent learning. Anything with that outcome is an avoidable tragedy, in my opinion.
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