2017 Pearl Jam Complete Vinyl Box Set
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Yes. But what did a CAO guarantee? Other than this vinyl was put together by 10c and not the ones available on Amazon. Absolutely nothing. And if they all weren't readily available, you wouldn't even have needed the COA.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Wasn't there a COA letter accompanying this Limited Edition item?mace1229 said:
But there was no reason to believe this would ever be a collectors item.
Not that I personally care.
Now Im off work. Weeeeeeeee.
The point is, now that everyone is getting exactly what was advertised, some are not happy. Which is sort of funny to me. Was it the increased cost of the bundle that made so many assume there was something more to it? Seeing how it really has about a $250 retail value when bought separately made everyone assume the extra $100 and COA was for the secret signatures?
There is nothing about these boxes that wasn't advertised. Even with the numbering mishap, they still only sold 500.
Seems like a big case of buyers remorse to some. Probably wishing they sold it 3 weeks ago for $1500.
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Agree 1000%tempo_n_groove said:
What's upsetting is that the boxset is a hodge podge. It was thrown together, the records were not specifically made for the boxset.MayDay10 said:lets face it. people are upset because this was a poor "investment". people also whipped themselves into a frenzy expecting autoed boxes, original pressings, colored vinyl. there is disappointment there.
and if the numbers >500... dont fret. the number of people who will ever view that card is probably 1. the number of people who would care is the same.
When my "box set" arrives, I will check it to make sure that these are all the readily available pressings. Once I confirm the crappy hodge podginess of the the "box set". I will sell mine for cost + shipping to anyone that wants this overpriced paper weight. And nothing against people who buy stuff to sit on a shelf beside other things sitting on a shelf.. nothing wrong with that.0 -
@cjzolyMedozK said:
Agree 1000%tempo_n_groove said:
What's upsetting is that the boxset is a hodge podge. It was thrown together, the records were not specifically made for the boxset.MayDay10 said:lets face it. people are upset because this was a poor "investment". people also whipped themselves into a frenzy expecting autoed boxes, original pressings, colored vinyl. there is disappointment there.
and if the numbers >500... dont fret. the number of people who will ever view that card is probably 1. the number of people who would care is the same.
When my "box set" arrives, I will check it to make sure that these are all the readily available pressings. Once I confirm the crappy hodge podginess of the the "box set". I will sell mine for cost + shipping to anyone that wants this overpriced paper weight. And nothing against people who buy stuff to sit on a shelf beside other things sitting on a shelf.. nothing wrong with that.
he is looking @MedozK help him out!
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Will do.tempo_n_groove said:
@cjzolyMedozK said:
Agree 1000%tempo_n_groove said:
What's upsetting is that the boxset is a hodge podge. It was thrown together, the records were not specifically made for the boxset.MayDay10 said:lets face it. people are upset because this was a poor "investment". people also whipped themselves into a frenzy expecting autoed boxes, original pressings, colored vinyl. there is disappointment there.
and if the numbers >500... dont fret. the number of people who will ever view that card is probably 1. the number of people who would care is the same.
When my "box set" arrives, I will check it to make sure that these are all the readily available pressings. Once I confirm the crappy hodge podginess of the the "box set". I will sell mine for cost + shipping to anyone that wants this overpriced paper weight. And nothing against people who buy stuff to sit on a shelf beside other things sitting on a shelf.. nothing wrong with that.
he is looking @MedozK help him out!0 -
I agree it is a hodge podge that isnt worth half the retail price. But just wondering what made you think otherwise?MedozK said:
Agree 1000%tempo_n_groove said:
What's upsetting is that the boxset is a hodge podge. It was thrown together, the records were not specifically made for the boxset.MayDay10 said:lets face it. people are upset because this was a poor "investment". people also whipped themselves into a frenzy expecting autoed boxes, original pressings, colored vinyl. there is disappointment there.
and if the numbers >500... dont fret. the number of people who will ever view that card is probably 1. the number of people who would care is the same.
When my "box set" arrives, I will check it to make sure that these are all the readily available pressings. Once I confirm the crappy hodge podginess of the the "box set". I will sell mine for cost + shipping to anyone that wants this overpriced paper weight. And nothing against people who buy stuff to sit on a shelf beside other things sitting on a shelf.. nothing wrong with that.
This was announced the same morning as the other reissues, right? That right there jumped out and screamed to me that this is just the same as everything else being released. Maybe if they had announced this a month later or earlier I might have thought it was a difference pressing, but releasing it at the same time I never thought for a second it would be anything different.
Just packaged and sold together at an additional $100 convenience fee.0 -
Like I said to each their own ... to me if the description said "here is an unsealed limited edition box of leftover albums that may have some wear on them (all my bindings on open records are frayed and worn) , limited to 500" I would say I got what was described. But nowhere does it say that's what I am getting. I'm not here to get in an argument about how big a collector I am etc, I have ocd and can't stand when my album covers look like crap, and I bought this as a collectible for myself. I wasn't expecting any extras but a nice box with albums that actually look like they were meant to fit in it would have been great. I am glad people are happy with what they got and do think its cool they offered this -- I just wish it was executed better.0
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Why wouldn't people assume that those $100 dollars would be something else than "higher margins for the band, just because they can"?mace1229 said:
Yes. But what did a CAO guarantee? Other than this vinyl was put together by 10c and not the ones available on Amazon. Absolutely nothing. And if they all weren't readily available, you wouldn't even have needed the COA.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Wasn't there a COA letter accompanying this Limited Edition item?mace1229 said:
But there was no reason to believe this would ever be a collectors item.
Not that I personally care.
Now Im off work. Weeeeeeeee.
The point is, now that everyone is getting exactly what was advertised, some are not happy. Which is sort of funny to me. Was it the increased cost of the bundle that made so many assume there was something more to it? Seeing how it really has about a $250 retail value when bought separately made everyone assume the extra $100 and COA was for the secret signatures?
There is nothing about these boxes that wasn't advertised. Even with the numbering mishap, they still only sold 500.
Seems like a big case of buyers remorse to some. Probably wishing they sold it 3 weeks ago for $1500.
Name another case where something has been sold wholesale and have had a higher price than market value for the separate items, or where a COA-letter has been included simply because of someone putting items into a box that were available for everyone to buy?
Wheres the precedent?
Maybe I'm just looking at this wrong, being late afternoon and all. Or maybe I want to think more of the world than everyone being Gene Simmons.
But.
- Whats limited about this box?
- They put records into the box instead of you doing it for the limited time it took to put them in exactly 600. Then they stopped. And it cost more than it would to buy the items one by one.
I get people feeling burned out, like I said above. The COA and limited edition-ploy is just some dadaist joke.
And I want pearl Jam to be more than, "Please go visit kissonline.com"Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
There hasn't been, that's why I wouldn't have even paid $200 for this.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Why wouldn't people assume that those $100 dollars would be something else than "higher margins for the band, just because they can"?mace1229 said:
Yes. But what did a CAO guarantee? Other than this vinyl was put together by 10c and not the ones available on Amazon. Absolutely nothing. And if they all weren't readily available, you wouldn't even have needed the COA.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Wasn't there a COA letter accompanying this Limited Edition item?mace1229 said:
But there was no reason to believe this would ever be a collectors item.
Not that I personally care.
Now Im off work. Weeeeeeeee.
The point is, now that everyone is getting exactly what was advertised, some are not happy. Which is sort of funny to me. Was it the increased cost of the bundle that made so many assume there was something more to it? Seeing how it really has about a $250 retail value when bought separately made everyone assume the extra $100 and COA was for the secret signatures?
There is nothing about these boxes that wasn't advertised. Even with the numbering mishap, they still only sold 500.
Seems like a big case of buyers remorse to some. Probably wishing they sold it 3 weeks ago for $1500.
Name another case where something has been sold wholesale and have had a higher price than market value for the separate items, or where a COA-letter has been included simply because of someone putting items into a box that were available for everyone to buy?
Wheres the precedent?
Maybe I'm just looking at this wrong, being late afternoon and all. Or maybe I want to think more of the world than everyone being Gene Simmons.
But.
- Whats limited about this box?
- They put records into the box instead of you doing it for the limited time it took to put them in exactly 600. Then they stopped. And it cost more than it would to buy the items one by one.
I get people feeling burned out, like I said above.
And I want pearl Jam to be more than, "Please go visit kissonline.com"
But no where did they advertise anything additional other than the COA. Ad thats what you got.
doctorvik said his albums have ringwear on them. Okay, I would complain about that. I wouldnt complain they weren;t sealed, but I would about ringwear.
Apprently the box itself is what is limited. The empty ones sold out almost as fast.0 -
And yet the product arrived exactly as advertised no?Spiritual_Chaos said:MayDay10 said:
I agree. As a neutral observer.... I expected reactions like this. It happens most of the time no matter what they do. Too much, not enough, content not up to expectations, want more, took too long, etc...pdalowsky said:What is insane is no one ever said it was going to be anything other than what you described. Its absolutely insane to complain about getting something you ordered, hoped would be something else, and in the end was what you paid for.
You could see this coming though, based on the "now tell us what you are going to give us for ordering this" speculation. IMO, for a lot of people, it was becoming almost accepted that there would be a huge "wow" bonus that would vault this box set into trade, auction, or raffle bait to equal Benaroya vinyl, Cracker Jack, Kong, etc... I would venture to say that most people werent buying this to listen to it. Most of us own many/most of the studio albums as it is... That is the reason i did not purchase. I own every studio album, save 2 of the new reissues, which I ordered for like $30 or whatever, as opposed to hundreds of $ for the box set... (I did want the box but didnt realize it was limited and intended on ordering the next day/monday).
The product came in and was what was described.... but fell far below expectations of some people. I get the disappointment... but I don't think outright criticism is warranted.
I think that,
- Having a fancy COA-letter included
- Taking such an overprice for what it in the end turned out to be
speaks in favor of the people feeling burned.
Where is this so called burn?0 -
I can almost imagine the constant disbelief at the warehouse
'these people' with rolling eyes0 -
Didn't I just explain that?pdalowsky said:
And yet the product arrived exactly as advertised no?Spiritual_Chaos said:MayDay10 said:
I agree. As a neutral observer.... I expected reactions like this. It happens most of the time no matter what they do. Too much, not enough, content not up to expectations, want more, took too long, etc...pdalowsky said:What is insane is no one ever said it was going to be anything other than what you described. Its absolutely insane to complain about getting something you ordered, hoped would be something else, and in the end was what you paid for.
You could see this coming though, based on the "now tell us what you are going to give us for ordering this" speculation. IMO, for a lot of people, it was becoming almost accepted that there would be a huge "wow" bonus that would vault this box set into trade, auction, or raffle bait to equal Benaroya vinyl, Cracker Jack, Kong, etc... I would venture to say that most people werent buying this to listen to it. Most of us own many/most of the studio albums as it is... That is the reason i did not purchase. I own every studio album, save 2 of the new reissues, which I ordered for like $30 or whatever, as opposed to hundreds of $ for the box set... (I did want the box but didnt realize it was limited and intended on ordering the next day/monday).
The product came in and was what was described.... but fell far below expectations of some people. I get the disappointment... but I don't think outright criticism is warranted.
I think that,
- Having a fancy COA-letter included
- Taking such an overprice for what it in the end turned out to be
speaks in favor of the people feeling burned.
Where is this so called burn?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
The fact is nobody forced anyone to buy the box set. If you thought it was overpriced why did you buy it in the first place. Now if you don't want it you can return it or I'm sure it will be easy to sell for what you paid.0
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No not really, you tried to explain why people are burned but do not at all deal with people getting the thing they paid for and nothing else?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Didn't I just explain that?pdalowsky said:
And yet the product arrived exactly as advertised no?Spiritual_Chaos said:MayDay10 said:
I agree. As a neutral observer.... I expected reactions like this. It happens most of the time no matter what they do. Too much, not enough, content not up to expectations, want more, took too long, etc...pdalowsky said:What is insane is no one ever said it was going to be anything other than what you described. Its absolutely insane to complain about getting something you ordered, hoped would be something else, and in the end was what you paid for.
You could see this coming though, based on the "now tell us what you are going to give us for ordering this" speculation. IMO, for a lot of people, it was becoming almost accepted that there would be a huge "wow" bonus that would vault this box set into trade, auction, or raffle bait to equal Benaroya vinyl, Cracker Jack, Kong, etc... I would venture to say that most people werent buying this to listen to it. Most of us own many/most of the studio albums as it is... That is the reason i did not purchase. I own every studio album, save 2 of the new reissues, which I ordered for like $30 or whatever, as opposed to hundreds of $ for the box set... (I did want the box but didnt realize it was limited and intended on ordering the next day/monday).
The product came in and was what was described.... but fell far below expectations of some people. I get the disappointment... but I don't think outright criticism is warranted.
I think that,
- Having a fancy COA-letter included
- Taking such an overprice for what it in the end turned out to be
speaks in favor of the people feeling burned.
Where is this so called burn?
If the burn is based on a warped expectation which is plainly wierd, then yes I suppose you may have explained it
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Whats even worse and even more confounding is that people come here to moan moan moan, whinge whinge whinge, criticize, criticize, criticize, and be continually and constantly underwhelmed and disappointed and yet always come back for more
a real head scratcher.0 -
I laughed when these first popped up thinking who would actually buy one. Then was in disbelief when it sold out as fast as it did.pdalowsky said:
No not really, you tried to explain why people are burned but do not at all deal with people getting the thing they paid for and nothing else?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Didn't I just explain that?pdalowsky said:
And yet the product arrived exactly as advertised no?Spiritual_Chaos said:MayDay10 said:
I agree. As a neutral observer.... I expected reactions like this. It happens most of the time no matter what they do. Too much, not enough, content not up to expectations, want more, took too long, etc...pdalowsky said:What is insane is no one ever said it was going to be anything other than what you described. Its absolutely insane to complain about getting something you ordered, hoped would be something else, and in the end was what you paid for.
You could see this coming though, based on the "now tell us what you are going to give us for ordering this" speculation. IMO, for a lot of people, it was becoming almost accepted that there would be a huge "wow" bonus that would vault this box set into trade, auction, or raffle bait to equal Benaroya vinyl, Cracker Jack, Kong, etc... I would venture to say that most people werent buying this to listen to it. Most of us own many/most of the studio albums as it is... That is the reason i did not purchase. I own every studio album, save 2 of the new reissues, which I ordered for like $30 or whatever, as opposed to hundreds of $ for the box set... (I did want the box but didnt realize it was limited and intended on ordering the next day/monday).
The product came in and was what was described.... but fell far below expectations of some people. I get the disappointment... but I don't think outright criticism is warranted.
I think that,
- Having a fancy COA-letter included
- Taking such an overprice for what it in the end turned out to be
speaks in favor of the people feeling burned.
Where is this so called burn?
If the burn is based on a warped expectation which is plainly wierd, then yes I suppose you may have explained it
I think the COA did help create the warped expectation. I remember everyone asking what the COA is for.
I still don't know what it is for, the vinyl wasn't limited, the box was sold separately (although sold out, but if you bought one and filled it yourself it would be no different). If this wasn't "limited" and didn't have a COA, they wouldn't have even sold 20 of them. It was good marketing by them. And lets be honest, PJ is a business and a business is there to make money. I can't fault them for selling this, especially if people are going to eat it up like they did. My only guess is it was limited to 500 because they didn't expect they could sell more than that for what it was.0 -
I think it's weird to get albums individually sealed inside a boxset. I'm pretty sure I have never seen that done in my whole life. Have you?? The fact that BS and LB are sealed is the strange part, not the other way around. It probably would have been a good idea for 10C to have unwrapped those two before putting them in there, for consistency's sake. That probably would have prevented all the complaints related to this issue. I admit that it would have also been a good idea for them to seal the actual box after filling it up. It is important to collectors to know that a boxset hasn't been opened, since it's the only way to know for sure that none of the records inside it have been played.elvistheking44 said:One question. If you ordered these albums one by one from 10club and they came unsealed would you all be ok with it? It makes no sense they came unsealed. Album and box.
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How about if you try to see it from my PoV and tell me what you think I mean, and I can explain or correct you if you're off track.pdalowsky said:
No not really, you tried to explain why people are burned but do not at all deal with people getting the thing they paid for and nothing else?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Didn't I just explain that?pdalowsky said:
And yet the product arrived exactly as advertised no?Spiritual_Chaos said:MayDay10 said:
I agree. As a neutral observer.... I expected reactions like this. It happens most of the time no matter what they do. Too much, not enough, content not up to expectations, want more, took too long, etc...pdalowsky said:What is insane is no one ever said it was going to be anything other than what you described. Its absolutely insane to complain about getting something you ordered, hoped would be something else, and in the end was what you paid for.
You could see this coming though, based on the "now tell us what you are going to give us for ordering this" speculation. IMO, for a lot of people, it was becoming almost accepted that there would be a huge "wow" bonus that would vault this box set into trade, auction, or raffle bait to equal Benaroya vinyl, Cracker Jack, Kong, etc... I would venture to say that most people werent buying this to listen to it. Most of us own many/most of the studio albums as it is... That is the reason i did not purchase. I own every studio album, save 2 of the new reissues, which I ordered for like $30 or whatever, as opposed to hundreds of $ for the box set... (I did want the box but didnt realize it was limited and intended on ordering the next day/monday).
The product came in and was what was described.... but fell far below expectations of some people. I get the disappointment... but I don't think outright criticism is warranted.
I think that,
- Having a fancy COA-letter included
- Taking such an overprice for what it in the end turned out to be
speaks in favor of the people feeling burned.
Where is this so called burn?
If the burn is based on a warped expectation which is plainly wierd, then yes I suppose you may have explained it
And, just for the fun of this... situation could you please explain the COA to me? In your words. What is it for?
And, if you like, can you explain the weirdly high margins on these readily available items, other than;
And people did not get what they paid for, on the image it said it was limited to 500 copies. But 600 were made :P
It's just funny. That COA etc. Haha. And i didn't expect more, but atleast that it would be sealed I guess. Haha. Amazing.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
I read the description, ordered, received what was in the description and have # 589 (the mixup with the numbering was explained, apology was issued and refunds offered). I just don't see how the albums would fit in the box if they were all sealed. It's already a tight squeeze as it is. Way too many nancies on this board that always find something to complain about whether it's the color, shape, fit, sound, size, shipping, too many produced, too little produced. I say they should just shut the shop down.
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It’s all about the drama, Paul. Without the drama life would be more pleasant... and who the hell wants that!!pdalowsky said:Whats even worse and even more confounding is that people come here to moan moan moan, whinge whinge whinge, criticize, criticize, criticize, and be continually and constantly underwhelmed and disappointed and yet always come back for more
a real head scratcher.
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Hey serious question but was Petty’s box set a mix of old/new/different pressings or were they pressed specially for the box set?
Don’t know how they usually are, but it just occurred to me to ask. I think I just never know as much about other bands’ vinyl years/reissues/og’s as I do about PJ vinyl.
Curious because I certainly don’t think this was sold as advertised as a lot of you are saying- I figured these would all be new pressings special for the box.... because I guess I think that whenever there’s a box set they’re going to be new, but I guess that’s just in my mind- and I only just realized that doesn’t necessarily have to be the case.
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