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reedrothchild · November 2017

ComeToTX said:

Meh...after Oracle I expected a lot more of this.

RYME · November 2017

Foriginal Sin said:

RYME said:

My, my, my, how times have changed.
There was a time when Pearl Jam and Eddie were against all things corporate. Corporate logos, and flying Billboards Adds over their shows, advertising during shows like blimps and things Clear Channel ads. Now they endorsed credit cards companies, home entertainment systems, what's next? Maybe we'll see Eddie featured in a Cadillac commercial soon.

Who cares? Good for him. This is a business. If you don’t like it, don’t buy into it. Did he get paid? Fuck yes he did, you know why? Because this is his JOB.

One of the biggest draws for Pearl Jam fans early on was the anti corporate giant posturing. On many many occasions Ed would stand up vilify giant greedy corporations. He didn't like the word Ford being on banners associated with the venue that they were playing at for goodness sakes. On one of my bootlegs they were getting ready to play I got Shit. Okay then he said "I'm in in too good of a mood to play such a depressing song. I'm so happy.". 2 seconds later he spots a advertisement for Clear Channel and said now I'm depressed that's perfect." Then played the song I got Shit/ID. So don't go back and pretend like that didn't happen. I love Pearl Jam but if he needs to be called out on some hypocrisy so be it. Don't put a band or anyone so high that they can't be criticized

Zod · November 2017

RYME said:

My, my, my, how times have changed.
There was a time when Pearl Jam and Eddie were against all things corporate. Corporate logos, and flying Billboards Adds over their shows, advertising during shows like blimps and things Clear Channel ads. Now they endorsed credit cards companies, home entertainment systems, what's next? Maybe we'll see Eddie featured in a Cadillac commercial soon.

PJ has done the odd "corporate" show over the last 17 years. I assumed there's a good reason when they do it. Maybe they're friends with someone running the event... maybe they're giving whatever they get paid to charity.. etc...

The Vancouver 2000 show I went to was a promo from the local radio station CFOX. You either had to be famous or win tickets from the radio station to go. I still have no idea how CFOX talked PJ into playing a bar show, or how much it would of cost them to get them to do so... it was still pretty cool

CM189191 · November 2017

cool, is this going to be the 2016 xmas single then?

PB11041 · November 2017

RYME said:
One of the biggest draws for Pearl Jam fans early on was the anti corporate giant posturing. On many many occasions Ed would stand up vilify giant greedy corporations. He didn't like the word Ford being on banners associated with the venue that they were playing at for goodness sakes. On one of my bootlegs they were getting ready to play I got Shit. Okay then he said "I'm in in too good of a mood to play such a depressing song. I'm so happy.". 2 seconds later he spots a advertisement for Clear Channel and said now I'm mad perfect I'll play the song I got Shit/ID. So don't go back and pretend like that didn't happen. I love Pearl Jam but if he needs to be called out on some hypocrisy so be it. Don't put a band or anyone so high that they can't be criticized

So, hypocrisy would be saying the Ford thing and then popping up in an advertisement for a Chevy the next evening.

Vilifying giant greedy corporations and supporting ones you think are potentially better and less destructive are not mutually exclusive ideas.

Bagging on every corporate entity one doesn't happen to find appealing would almost certainly lead to playing in no venues as virtually every venue is littered with advertisements almost nobody pays any attention to.

Finally, when you are 25 or 30 and are more doe-eyed vs hardened by elemental realism you make bolder pronouncements such as shooting down a plane with a cannon during a concert. When you are 53 you may place your energy on other things as opposed to worrying if there is a CitiBank banner and logo attached to the concert you are playing.

There are ample things to criticize the band about, but almost all of them are going to have quite a bit more nuance than you will perhaps want to believe or be willing to accept.

RYME · November 2017

PB11041 said:

RYME said:
One of the biggest draws for Pearl Jam fans early on was the anti corporate giant posturing. On many many occasions Ed would stand up vilify giant greedy corporations. He didn't like the word Ford being on banners associated with the venue that they were playing at for goodness sakes. On one of my bootlegs they were getting ready to play I got Shit. Okay then he said "I'm in in too good of a mood to play such a depressing song. I'm so happy.". 2 seconds later he spots a advertisement for Clear Channel and said now I'm mad perfect I'll play the song I got Shit/ID. So don't go back and pretend like that didn't happen. I love Pearl Jam but if he needs to be called out on some hypocrisy so be it. Don't put a band or anyone so high that they can't be criticized

So, hypocrisy would be saying the Ford thing and then popping up in an advertisement for a Chevy the next evening.

Vilifying giant greedy corporations and supporting ones you think are potentially better and less destructive are not mutually exclusive ideas.

Bagging on every corporate entity one doesn't happen to find appealing would almost certainly lead to playing in no venues as virtually every venue is littered with advertisements almost nobody pays any attention to.

Finally, when you are 25 or 30 and are more doe-eyed vs hardened by elemental realism you make bolder pronouncements such as shooting down a plane with a cannon during a concert. When you are 53 you may place your energy on other things as opposed to worrying if there is a CitiBank banner and logo attached to the concert you are playing.

There are ample things to criticize the band about, but almost all of them are going to have quite a bit more nuance than you will perhaps want to believe or be willing to accept.

I am genuinely interested. What are the more ample things to criticize the band about that have more nuanced then I want to believe or willing to accept?? What the hell does that mean?

Get_Right · November 2017

We have no idea what the arrangement was for Ed to do that show or how it came to be. Stop judging and worry about yourself.

RYME · November 2017

RYME said:

PB11041 said:

RYME said:
One of the biggest draws for Pearl Jam fans early on was the anti corporate giant posturing. On many many occasions Ed would stand up vilify giant greedy corporations. He didn't like the word Ford being on banners associated with the venue that they were playing at for goodness sakes. On one of my bootlegs they were getting ready to play I got Shit. Okay then he said "I'm in in too good of a mood to play such a depressing song. I'm so happy.". 2 seconds later he spots a advertisement for Clear Channel and said now I'm mad perfect I'll play the song I got Shit/ID. So don't go back and pretend like that didn't happen. I love Pearl Jam but if he needs to be called out on some hypocrisy so be it. Don't put a band or anyone so high that they can't be criticized

So, hypocrisy would be saying the Ford thing and then popping up in an advertisement for a Chevy the next evening.

Vilifying giant greedy corporations and supporting ones you think are potentially better and less destructive are not mutually exclusive ideas.

Bagging on every corporate entity one doesn't happen to find appealing would almost certainly lead to playing in no venues as virtually every venue is littered with advertisements almost nobody pays any attention to.

Finally, when you are 25 or 30 and are more doe-eyed vs hardened by elemental realism you make bolder pronouncements such as shooting down a plane with a cannon during a concert. When you are 53 you may place your energy on other things as opposed to worrying if there is a CitiBank banner and logo attached to the concert you are playing.

There are ample things to criticize the band about, but almost all of them are going to have quite a bit more nuance than you will perhaps want to believe or be willing to accept.

I am genuinely interested. What are the more ample things to criticize the band about that have more nuanced then I want to believe or willing to accept?? What the hell does that mean?

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PB11041 · November 2017

RYME said:

I am genuinely interested. What are the more ample things to criticize the band about that have more nuanced then I want to believe or willing to accept?? What the hell does that mean?

You can't even seem to acknowledge that he was playing at a concert series that is designed for the cardholders who pay for a certain tier of access to Live Nation events and you want me to explain nuance? What it means is, everything is not cold hard black and white.

jeffbr · November 2017

CM189191 said:

cool, is this going to be the 2016 xmas single then?

I sure hope not! I'm in the PJ fanclub, not the EV fanclub. I'm tired of EV singles with his Hollywood friends.

RYME · November 2017

I also remember the song called Not For You.
Wasn't that all about corporations filling your mailbox with junk mail full of credit card applications, ads and coupons that end up all over your kitchen table and there's no place to sit? .
If you hate something, don't you do it too? to... That's a good question.

bootlegger10 · November 2017

PB11041 said:

RYME said:

I am genuinely interested. What are the more ample things to criticize the band about that have more nuanced then I want to believe or willing to accept?? What the hell does that mean?

You can't even seem to acknowledge that he was playing at a concert series that is designed for the cardholders who pay for a certain tier of access to Live Nation events and you want me to explain nuance? What it means is, everything is not cold hard black and white.

Corporation puts on private concer for its major customers. Seems like a corporate event to me. Which is fine.

PB11041 · November 2017

RYME said:

I also remember the song called Not For You.
Wasn't that all about corporations filling your mailbox with junk mail full of credit card applications, ads and coupons that end up all over your kitchen table and there's no place to sit? .
If you hate something, don't you do it too? to... That's a good question.

No. That is not even remotely what the song Not For You was about. No.

elwayvedder · November 2017

I'm willing to give my guy for over 27 years now the benefit of the doubt. Knowing him, he turns it around and uses things for charitable purposes

JOEJOEJOE · November 2017

It is weird to see bands do corporate gigs, however, it does create a payday for a band's crew.
In terms of EV, he may give the money to charity......who knows!

PB11041 · November 2017

bootlegger10 said:

PB11041 said:

RYME said:

I am genuinely interested. What are the more ample things to criticize the band about that have more nuanced then I want to believe or willing to accept?? What the hell does that mean?

You can't even seem to acknowledge that he was playing at a concert series that is designed for the cardholders who pay for a certain tier of access to Live Nation events and you want me to explain nuance? What it means is, everything is not cold hard black and white.

Corporation puts on private concer for its major customers. Seems like a corporate event to me. Which is fine.

https://www.livenation.com/events/704299-sep-18-2017-citi-sound-vault-mumford-sons
https://pitchfork.com/features/sponsor-content/10019-live-from-citi-sound-vault/
https://twitter.com/CitiPrivatePass

Willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that Vedders was involved with something similar to Global Citizens as what occurred in New York in September. Either way, this is basically commonplace for every artist on the planet.

100 Pacer · November 2017

elwayvedder said:

I'm willing to give my guy for over 27 years now the benefit of the doubt. Knowing him, he turns it around and uses things for charitable purposes

Exactly. Don't understand the frustration frankly. They pay Ed handsomely with no strings attached, Ed dictates where the funds are donated on his terms, Ed receives tax receipt, year's worth of income tax sorted. Done and done.

Caught-A-Bolt-Of-Lightning · November 2017

As usual...I'm just pissed I wasn't there.

PB11041 · November 2017

Caught-A-Bolt-Of-Lightning said:

As usual...I'm just pissed I wasn't there.

Laughter and applause.

given2fly23 · November 2017

100 Pacer said:

elwayvedder said:

I'm willing to give my guy for over 27 years now the benefit of the doubt. Knowing him, he turns it around and uses things for charitable purposes

Exactly. Don't understand the frustration frankly. They pay Ed handsomely with no strings attached, Ed dictates where the funds are donated on his terms, Ed receives tax receipt, year's worth of income tax sorted. Done and done.

I agree. They've earned our trust and we still see how much charitable work they do. Short of playing for Trump, they can do what they want.

Regarding your tax note, that's not how the charitable deduction works here (if I'm understanding your "sorted" idea correctly). You only get a deduction for the amount donated, not a tax credit.

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