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sorry mcgruff, I'm not sure I understand your question.mcgruff10 said:
Hugh,HughFreakingDillon said:a nutjob I used to work with, with a temper that I've never experienced before or since, used to make his own fucking bullets in his house. he once told me a story about how he pulled a gun on his neighbour because the guy cut some branches off a tree that was on his property, but the branches hung over into the neighbour's yard, getting leaves in his pool.
so glad he retired. we all thought if there's going to be an office shooting in Canada, it's going to be him.
do you think there is something wrong about reloading?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
You said that crazy dude you worked with made bullets at home, it is known as reloading. I was just wondering your opinion on reloading. (You take old brass from the range and reload them to make a new bullet.)HughFreakingDillon said:
sorry mcgruff, I'm not sure I understand your question.mcgruff10 said:
Hugh,HughFreakingDillon said:a nutjob I used to work with, with a temper that I've never experienced before or since, used to make his own fucking bullets in his house. he once told me a story about how he pulled a gun on his neighbour because the guy cut some branches off a tree that was on his property, but the branches hung over into the neighbour's yard, getting leaves in his pool.
so glad he retired. we all thought if there's going to be an office shooting in Canada, it's going to be him.
do you think there is something wrong about reloading?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I really don't know. since he was the only person I know who does it, I attached his craziness to that behaviour, so it kind of made me think the behaviour was crazy in and of itself. I realize this is biased and generalized, but I just looked it up and it is legal, so I don't really have an issue with it I guess. I'm guessing people do it as it is cheaper than new ammunition?mcgruff10 said:
You said that crazy dude you worked with made bullets at home, it is known as reloading. I was just wondering your opinion on reloading. (You take old brass from the range and reload them to make a new bullet.)HughFreakingDillon said:
sorry mcgruff, I'm not sure I understand your question.mcgruff10 said:
Hugh,HughFreakingDillon said:a nutjob I used to work with, with a temper that I've never experienced before or since, used to make his own fucking bullets in his house. he once told me a story about how he pulled a gun on his neighbour because the guy cut some branches off a tree that was on his property, but the branches hung over into the neighbour's yard, getting leaves in his pool.
so glad he retired. we all thought if there's going to be an office shooting in Canada, it's going to be him.
do you think there is something wrong about reloading?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I try to be balanced. doesn't always work. but sometimes!PJPOWER said:
You are right, that is untenable. That being said, there is probably a list of politicians that would vote for that type of legislation. I would put them in the category of eccentric or extremist and I will never vote for a politician that even supports such legislation. Get the extremism of both parties out of office and then you *may see some bipartisan change. But that, most likely, will never happen either. It seems more logical to disregard fairy tale untenable legislation all together and brainstorm outside the box ways of bringing people together to combat those that intend to do harm to others. But that is seeming more and more unrealistic too...I guess getting cynical and bitching on online forums is probably the most effective method.HughFreakingDillon said:they fear they will pass legislation similar to that of Australia. which WON'T. EVER. HAPPEN.
FYI- That last line was sarcasm for those that have trouble recognizing. Does sarcasm mean that I have given up on the debate? Quite possibly...but not for the reasons that some of the eccentric people around here are going to try fabricating. It is due to the pointlessness of it all. People assuming, belittling, name calling, twisting and flat out fabricating lies in attempts to demonize others is where my “giving up” comes from. I recognize that I have done my part in name calling (libtards) and probably assuming here and there as well...so take this as my official resignation from “seriously” debating this issue with some around here. I will do my best not to comment to or recognize those that I deam unproductive. Thank you and props to you, Hugh, for being a positive beacon of light in these clusterfuck conversations!By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
A lot of people reload.HughFreakingDillon said:
I really don't know. since he was the only person I know who does it, I attached his craziness to that behaviour, so it kind of made me think the behaviour was crazy in and of itself. I realize this is biased and generalized, but I just looked it up and it is legal, so I don't really have an issue with it I guess. I'm guessing people do it as it is cheaper than new ammunition?mcgruff10 said:
You said that crazy dude you worked with made bullets at home, it is known as reloading. I was just wondering your opinion on reloading. (You take old brass from the range and reload them to make a new bullet.)HughFreakingDillon said:
sorry mcgruff, I'm not sure I understand your question.mcgruff10 said:
Hugh,HughFreakingDillon said:a nutjob I used to work with, with a temper that I've never experienced before or since, used to make his own fucking bullets in his house. he once told me a story about how he pulled a gun on his neighbour because the guy cut some branches off a tree that was on his property, but the branches hung over into the neighbour's yard, getting leaves in his pool.
so glad he retired. we all thought if there's going to be an office shooting in Canada, it's going to be him.
do you think there is something wrong about reloading?
Mostly for cost. Certain bullets for rare guns can cost $2-$3 for a single round. You go target shooting for 20 minutes and it would cost over $100.
Even other, not-so-rare rounds can easily be in the 30-50 cent range for a single round for something considered common. Again, even 10 minutes of target practice adds up. And since I only go about 2-3 times a year and bring some old friends, its usually about a 2-3 hour event. It would cost several hundred dollars to buy that ammo new from a store.
I personally don;t reload, but I try to buy factory reloads when possible. All those are are recycled cartridges where the factory reuses them. Those I believe are now banned in CA.
That is honestly why I have gone target shooting about 3 times in the last 5 years. It is just too expensive.
If I was a more avid shooter or hunter and was something I planned to do once a month even, I'd definitely reload myself. I just don;t want to spend $200 to go target shooting for an hour.0 -
You know where you can get free bullets and get regular shooting practice? Join the military.mace1229 said:
A lot of people reload.HughFreakingDillon said:
I really don't know. since he was the only person I know who does it, I attached his craziness to that behaviour, so it kind of made me think the behaviour was crazy in and of itself. I realize this is biased and generalized, but I just looked it up and it is legal, so I don't really have an issue with it I guess. I'm guessing people do it as it is cheaper than new ammunition?mcgruff10 said:
You said that crazy dude you worked with made bullets at home, it is known as reloading. I was just wondering your opinion on reloading. (You take old brass from the range and reload them to make a new bullet.)HughFreakingDillon said:
sorry mcgruff, I'm not sure I understand your question.mcgruff10 said:
Hugh,HughFreakingDillon said:a nutjob I used to work with, with a temper that I've never experienced before or since, used to make his own fucking bullets in his house. he once told me a story about how he pulled a gun on his neighbour because the guy cut some branches off a tree that was on his property, but the branches hung over into the neighbour's yard, getting leaves in his pool.
so glad he retired. we all thought if there's going to be an office shooting in Canada, it's going to be him.
do you think there is something wrong about reloading?
Mostly for cost. Certain bullets for rare guns can cost $2-$3 for a single round. You go target shooting for 20 minutes and it would cost over $100.
Even other, not-so-rare rounds can easily be in the 30-50 cent range for a single round for something considered common. Again, even 10 minutes of target practice adds up. And since I only go about 2-3 times a year and bring some old friends, its usually about a 2-3 hour event. It would cost several hundred dollars to buy that ammo new from a store.
I personally don;t reload, but I try to buy factory reloads when possible. All those are are recycled cartridges where the factory reuses them. Those I believe are now banned in CA.
That is honestly why I have gone target shooting about 3 times in the last 5 years. It is just too expensive.
If I was a more avid shooter or hunter and was something I planned to do once a month even, I'd definitely reload myself. I just don;t want to spend $200 to go target shooting for an hour.0 -
Yes, that's a realistic solution......CM189191 said:
You know where you can get free bullets and get regular shooting practice? Join the military.mace1229 said:
A lot of people reload.HughFreakingDillon said:
I really don't know. since he was the only person I know who does it, I attached his craziness to that behaviour, so it kind of made me think the behaviour was crazy in and of itself. I realize this is biased and generalized, but I just looked it up and it is legal, so I don't really have an issue with it I guess. I'm guessing people do it as it is cheaper than new ammunition?mcgruff10 said:
You said that crazy dude you worked with made bullets at home, it is known as reloading. I was just wondering your opinion on reloading. (You take old brass from the range and reload them to make a new bullet.)HughFreakingDillon said:
sorry mcgruff, I'm not sure I understand your question.mcgruff10 said:
Hugh,HughFreakingDillon said:a nutjob I used to work with, with a temper that I've never experienced before or since, used to make his own fucking bullets in his house. he once told me a story about how he pulled a gun on his neighbour because the guy cut some branches off a tree that was on his property, but the branches hung over into the neighbour's yard, getting leaves in his pool.
so glad he retired. we all thought if there's going to be an office shooting in Canada, it's going to be him.
do you think there is something wrong about reloading?
Mostly for cost. Certain bullets for rare guns can cost $2-$3 for a single round. You go target shooting for 20 minutes and it would cost over $100.
Even other, not-so-rare rounds can easily be in the 30-50 cent range for a single round for something considered common. Again, even 10 minutes of target practice adds up. And since I only go about 2-3 times a year and bring some old friends, its usually about a 2-3 hour event. It would cost several hundred dollars to buy that ammo new from a store.
I personally don;t reload, but I try to buy factory reloads when possible. All those are are recycled cartridges where the factory reuses them. Those I believe are now banned in CA.
That is honestly why I have gone target shooting about 3 times in the last 5 years. It is just too expensive.
If I was a more avid shooter or hunter and was something I planned to do once a month even, I'd definitely reload myself. I just don;t want to spend $200 to go target shooting for an hour.
And yet you wonder why many pro-gun people are unwilling to work with those on your side with such great ideas like that.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
That's not the reason at all. The reason we can't work together is because of the bullshit slippery slope argument.mace1229 said:
Yes, that's a realistic solution......CM189191 said:
You know where you can get free bullets and get regular shooting practice? Join the military.mace1229 said:
A lot of people reload.HughFreakingDillon said:
I really don't know. since he was the only person I know who does it, I attached his craziness to that behaviour, so it kind of made me think the behaviour was crazy in and of itself. I realize this is biased and generalized, but I just looked it up and it is legal, so I don't really have an issue with it I guess. I'm guessing people do it as it is cheaper than new ammunition?mcgruff10 said:
You said that crazy dude you worked with made bullets at home, it is known as reloading. I was just wondering your opinion on reloading. (You take old brass from the range and reload them to make a new bullet.)HughFreakingDillon said:
sorry mcgruff, I'm not sure I understand your question.mcgruff10 said:
Hugh,HughFreakingDillon said:a nutjob I used to work with, with a temper that I've never experienced before or since, used to make his own fucking bullets in his house. he once told me a story about how he pulled a gun on his neighbour because the guy cut some branches off a tree that was on his property, but the branches hung over into the neighbour's yard, getting leaves in his pool.
so glad he retired. we all thought if there's going to be an office shooting in Canada, it's going to be him.
do you think there is something wrong about reloading?
Mostly for cost. Certain bullets for rare guns can cost $2-$3 for a single round. You go target shooting for 20 minutes and it would cost over $100.
Even other, not-so-rare rounds can easily be in the 30-50 cent range for a single round for something considered common. Again, even 10 minutes of target practice adds up. And since I only go about 2-3 times a year and bring some old friends, its usually about a 2-3 hour event. It would cost several hundred dollars to buy that ammo new from a store.
I personally don;t reload, but I try to buy factory reloads when possible. All those are are recycled cartridges where the factory reuses them. Those I believe are now banned in CA.
That is honestly why I have gone target shooting about 3 times in the last 5 years. It is just too expensive.
If I was a more avid shooter or hunter and was something I planned to do once a month even, I'd definitely reload myself. I just don;t want to spend $200 to go target shooting for an hour.
And yet you wonder why many pro-gun people are unwilling to work with those on your side with such great ideas like that.
We cannot put any common sense laws into place because of what? It's not because of someone making a joke that gun-fetishists should just join the military.0 -
Wasn't my idea, stole it from James Madisonmace1229 said:
Yes, that's a realistic solution......CM189191 said:
You know where you can get free bullets and get regular shooting practice? Join the military.mace1229 said:
A lot of people reload.HughFreakingDillon said:
I really don't know. since he was the only person I know who does it, I attached his craziness to that behaviour, so it kind of made me think the behaviour was crazy in and of itself. I realize this is biased and generalized, but I just looked it up and it is legal, so I don't really have an issue with it I guess. I'm guessing people do it as it is cheaper than new ammunition?mcgruff10 said:
You said that crazy dude you worked with made bullets at home, it is known as reloading. I was just wondering your opinion on reloading. (You take old brass from the range and reload them to make a new bullet.)HughFreakingDillon said:
sorry mcgruff, I'm not sure I understand your question.mcgruff10 said:
Hugh,HughFreakingDillon said:a nutjob I used to work with, with a temper that I've never experienced before or since, used to make his own fucking bullets in his house. he once told me a story about how he pulled a gun on his neighbour because the guy cut some branches off a tree that was on his property, but the branches hung over into the neighbour's yard, getting leaves in his pool.
so glad he retired. we all thought if there's going to be an office shooting in Canada, it's going to be him.
do you think there is something wrong about reloading?
Mostly for cost. Certain bullets for rare guns can cost $2-$3 for a single round. You go target shooting for 20 minutes and it would cost over $100.
Even other, not-so-rare rounds can easily be in the 30-50 cent range for a single round for something considered common. Again, even 10 minutes of target practice adds up. And since I only go about 2-3 times a year and bring some old friends, its usually about a 2-3 hour event. It would cost several hundred dollars to buy that ammo new from a store.
I personally don;t reload, but I try to buy factory reloads when possible. All those are are recycled cartridges where the factory reuses them. Those I believe are now banned in CA.
That is honestly why I have gone target shooting about 3 times in the last 5 years. It is just too expensive.
If I was a more avid shooter or hunter and was something I planned to do once a month even, I'd definitely reload myself. I just don;t want to spend $200 to go target shooting for an hour.
And yet you wonder why many pro-gun people are unwilling to work with those on your side with such great ideas like that.0 -
Both you and Mace are right. I think the slippery slope argument is used too often, although it clearly does have some merit due to the inability of legislators to actually understand the terminology they should be using when crafting legislation around gun control issues. But Mace is also right - he was providing factual background info on reloading, and also related why he doesn't shoot much, and then he gets jabbed out of nowhere. Nothing Mace said was in that post was inaccurate or even controversial, and yet he was still hit with a sarcastic shot. I guess the root of both of your points goes straight to our inability to communicate or engage in dialog effectively. Without dialog, and without compromise, the gun issue will remain as is.cottagesteeze said:
That's not the reason at all. The reason we can't work together is because of the bullshit slippery slope argument.mace1229 said:
Yes, that's a realistic solution......CM189191 said:
You know where you can get free bullets and get regular shooting practice? Join the military.mace1229 said:
A lot of people reload.HughFreakingDillon said:
I really don't know. since he was the only person I know who does it, I attached his craziness to that behaviour, so it kind of made me think the behaviour was crazy in and of itself. I realize this is biased and generalized, but I just looked it up and it is legal, so I don't really have an issue with it I guess. I'm guessing people do it as it is cheaper than new ammunition?mcgruff10 said:
You said that crazy dude you worked with made bullets at home, it is known as reloading. I was just wondering your opinion on reloading. (You take old brass from the range and reload them to make a new bullet.)HughFreakingDillon said:
sorry mcgruff, I'm not sure I understand your question.mcgruff10 said:
Hugh,HughFreakingDillon said:a nutjob I used to work with, with a temper that I've never experienced before or since, used to make his own fucking bullets in his house. he once told me a story about how he pulled a gun on his neighbour because the guy cut some branches off a tree that was on his property, but the branches hung over into the neighbour's yard, getting leaves in his pool.
so glad he retired. we all thought if there's going to be an office shooting in Canada, it's going to be him.
do you think there is something wrong about reloading?
Mostly for cost. Certain bullets for rare guns can cost $2-$3 for a single round. You go target shooting for 20 minutes and it would cost over $100.
Even other, not-so-rare rounds can easily be in the 30-50 cent range for a single round for something considered common. Again, even 10 minutes of target practice adds up. And since I only go about 2-3 times a year and bring some old friends, its usually about a 2-3 hour event. It would cost several hundred dollars to buy that ammo new from a store.
I personally don;t reload, but I try to buy factory reloads when possible. All those are are recycled cartridges where the factory reuses them. Those I believe are now banned in CA.
That is honestly why I have gone target shooting about 3 times in the last 5 years. It is just too expensive.
If I was a more avid shooter or hunter and was something I planned to do once a month even, I'd definitely reload myself. I just don;t want to spend $200 to go target shooting for an hour.
And yet you wonder why many pro-gun people are unwilling to work with those on your side with such great ideas like that.
We cannot put any common sense laws into place because of what? It's not because of someone making a joke that gun-fetishists should just join the military."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
It really is though, at least it contributes to it.cottagesteeze said:
That's not the reason at all. The reason we can't work together is because of the bullshit slippery slope argument.mace1229 said:
Yes, that's a realistic solution......CM189191 said:
You know where you can get free bullets and get regular shooting practice? Join the military.mace1229 said:
A lot of people reload.HughFreakingDillon said:
I really don't know. since he was the only person I know who does it, I attached his craziness to that behaviour, so it kind of made me think the behaviour was crazy in and of itself. I realize this is biased and generalized, but I just looked it up and it is legal, so I don't really have an issue with it I guess. I'm guessing people do it as it is cheaper than new ammunition?mcgruff10 said:
You said that crazy dude you worked with made bullets at home, it is known as reloading. I was just wondering your opinion on reloading. (You take old brass from the range and reload them to make a new bullet.)HughFreakingDillon said:
sorry mcgruff, I'm not sure I understand your question.mcgruff10 said:
Hugh,HughFreakingDillon said:a nutjob I used to work with, with a temper that I've never experienced before or since, used to make his own fucking bullets in his house. he once told me a story about how he pulled a gun on his neighbour because the guy cut some branches off a tree that was on his property, but the branches hung over into the neighbour's yard, getting leaves in his pool.
so glad he retired. we all thought if there's going to be an office shooting in Canada, it's going to be him.
do you think there is something wrong about reloading?
Mostly for cost. Certain bullets for rare guns can cost $2-$3 for a single round. You go target shooting for 20 minutes and it would cost over $100.
Even other, not-so-rare rounds can easily be in the 30-50 cent range for a single round for something considered common. Again, even 10 minutes of target practice adds up. And since I only go about 2-3 times a year and bring some old friends, its usually about a 2-3 hour event. It would cost several hundred dollars to buy that ammo new from a store.
I personally don;t reload, but I try to buy factory reloads when possible. All those are are recycled cartridges where the factory reuses them. Those I believe are now banned in CA.
That is honestly why I have gone target shooting about 3 times in the last 5 years. It is just too expensive.
If I was a more avid shooter or hunter and was something I planned to do once a month even, I'd definitely reload myself. I just don;t want to spend $200 to go target shooting for an hour.
And yet you wonder why many pro-gun people are unwilling to work with those on your side with such great ideas like that.
We cannot put any common sense laws into place because of what? It's not because of someone making a joke that gun-fetishists should just join the military.
I've said over and over that I am for gun control. Cap magazine limits, strict laws on assault rifles, I'm fine with all that.
But I make 1 comment that I even own a gun and I get thrown into a group of "gun-fetishists"
I go target shooting less than once a year, and the follow up to that was join the military and call me a gun fetish.
As Jeffbr even said, I make an honest statement about reloading and instead of asking questions, there's just jabs.
That happens quite often.
I've said several times just today that I don't fear the slippery slope and dont think I'll see a ban. But if you think those jabs aren't part of the problem, then you're wrong. Its that so many of the anti-gun feel that way about anyone who owns a gun that really give that fear life. Only a week ago lots of people on here were blaming anyone with a gun for the deaths of 58 people. When so many of one group feel so strongly about a topic, and consistantly demean anyone who doesn't agree, they are going to be met with equal extremes from the opposite side.
Both sides need to take responsibility because there's an unwillingness to work with eachother on both sides. Accusing only gun owners will not get anything done, and our culture will be having this same conversation 100 years from now.0 -
anyone catch the Ellen show yesterday?
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ever changing stories and timelines.
this story seems to have made its way down the memory hole.
NYTs did a good job piecing parsing together with audio and video
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/23/insider/reporting-on-las-vegas-pixel-by-pixel.html
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There'll be another shocking event soon enough to stir up this forum.
Good luck American people. Given the inevitability... may it not be you (just someone else instead so you can live to argue about how machine guns are your 'right' afforded to you by your musket carrying forefathers)!"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
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OnWis97 said:I think this tragedy happened long enough ago that it is now appropriate to talk about gun control. What? We've moved on? Damn.
You hit the nail on the head. What is scary to me is that this almost comical reality is by design.
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BINGOOnWis97 said:I think this tragedy happened long enough ago that it is now appropriate to talk about gun control. What? We've moved on? Damn.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
This incident has been buried and no one in congress, the WH, media or anywhere else even asks about it or gun policy changes. At least local news is still running something. It's going to be a long time before the investigation is complete though.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/how-the-fbi-and-atf-are-aiding-the-las-vegas-shooting-investigation/
It's a hopeless situation...0
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