America's Gun Violence
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I’ll have to check it out, always interested in WW2 history.brianlux said:
Ya got me there!PJPOWER said:
Even this gun?brianlux said:
That assumes you can justify killing wild animals. But we've already been over all that. I stand by my words. Guns are made for killing.PJPOWER said:
Target practice is important, especially for a hunter. No need to make a wild animal suffer because you were irresponsible and did not zero your scope in accurately...brianlux said:Exactly. And some gun owners will say they don't use guns to kill (even though that is the purpose) like to target practice. I can thank some of my neighbors who do that for driving my anxiety bat shit crazy up the wall on a bad day. Not cool. Besides why do they really target practice for? Do they never think about how that might make them better at killing? Hmmmm...
I'm reading Frozen in Time by Mitchell Zuckoff, a book about downed WWII planes in Greenland. Great read! Flare guns were useful in helping save some of the crews of the planes that went down.
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Funny that she doesn’t even deny the “give an inch take a mile syndrome” based on her “slippery slope” comments. People like her holding office is almost as flabbergasting as Trump holding one.mace1229 said:
Exactly what I've said several times. She only feeds the "going to take my guns" fear. It isn't unreasonable to see why people fear losing their guns with people like her in charge. End result is they push back on everything because of the "give an inch take a mile" syndrome and nothing gets passed.PJPOWER said:If democrats really want their gun control arguments to be taken seriously and garnish something even close to bipartisan support, they are going to have to replace quacks like Feinstein. That would be the most positive step towards gun control legislation that a democrat could take at this point.0 -
Yeah. You get people like her in office who run on total gun control and make it well know they would like to eliminate guns if they could. Then throw their hands up and say they don't know why congress wont work with them on passing gun control. It isn't hard to figure out why people fear any gun legislature. .0
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If you have two politicians in the same room unwilling to compromise, is it the fault of both or just one?mace1229 said:Yeah. You get people like her in office who run on total gun control and make it well know they would like to eliminate guns if they could. Then throw their hands up and say they don't know why congress wont work with them on passing gun control. It isn't hard to figure out why people fear any gun legislature. .0 -
Ok i will exit at this point. I hear ya
this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -0 -
Don't be so sure:PJPOWER said:
I agree, and it should probably be England since America does not have a knife problem that I am aware of.brianlux said:I think if the knife thing is going to keep coming up here there should be a separate thread like "Knife Violence in America" or "Knife Violence in England" or "Bread is yummy no matter how you slice it".
Paul Westerberg talks about guitarist/singer Grandpaboy:
Of Grandpaboy, Westerberg himself says, "I heard him play in an empty room once ... it was like a knife fight in a phone booth. The man scares me."
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Both. I've said both are to blame before. But when Vegas happened last week, how many people said if you voted Trump/Republican then the blood of the 58 dead are on your hands?Go Beavers said:
If you have two politicians in the same room unwilling to compromise, is it the fault of both or just one?mace1229 said:Yeah. You get people like her in office who run on total gun control and make it well know they would like to eliminate guns if they could. Then throw their hands up and say they don't know why congress wont work with them on passing gun control. It isn't hard to figure out why people fear any gun legislature. .
Quite a few, here, hollywood celebs, late night hosts, all say it. The anti-gun are just as much to blame for gun laws for those reasons
But the blood of those dead are not on anyone's hands but the shooter. Those comments are just cheap shots to incite rage.0 -
It doesn't have a knife problem because it has a GUN problem. Thats it from me.
this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -0 -
pretty sure those people are only using those examples to highlight that gun control can work. they know that the outright banning of ALL guns is simply not possible in the US. you can't, anyway, without an amendment to the constitution.PJPOWER said:
So the people suggesting that the US should adopt policies mirroring Australia’s and Europe’s are not suggesting banning handguns and single shot rifles...got it...HughFreakingDillon said:
no, he doesn't. it ludicrous to compare knives to automatic weapons. NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BANNING HANDGUNS/SINGLE SHOT RIFLES. if you want to compare, that is the only, still semi-illogical, argument that can be made. and no one is suggesting it.tempo_n_groove said:
Positive post right here. Constructive criticism too, well done.rgambs said:You guys are fucking idiots if you think making light of this issue is ok when there are still bodies waiting to be buried.
It's all a big joke to you, hehe haha hoho, I shoot my bang bang hehe.
Grow up and get a fucking life.
The man does have a point though.
if there is ever a knife that can kill 58 people and injure 500 more in 10 minutes from 32 floors up and hundreds of meters away in the dark, then you have an argument.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
I agree with you, it’s pointless to suggest banning ALL guns. That being said, there are plenty around that are drooling over an amendment to the constitution and would throw their vote at anyone pushing a complete ban. To suggest that “no one wants to ban all guns” is vastly ignoring a significant number of voters that would love that. Just go to a Coalition to Stop Gun Violence Facebook page and read some of the comments by the gun control lovers. They are not an anomaly, those quacks are easy to find. Several here even.HughFreakingDillon said:
pretty sure those people are only using those examples to highlight that gun control can work. they know that the outright banning of ALL guns is simply not possible in the US. you can't, anyway, without an amendment to the constitution.PJPOWER said:
So the people suggesting that the US should adopt policies mirroring Australia’s and Europe’s are not suggesting banning handguns and single shot rifles...got it...HughFreakingDillon said:
no, he doesn't. it ludicrous to compare knives to automatic weapons. NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BANNING HANDGUNS/SINGLE SHOT RIFLES. if you want to compare, that is the only, still semi-illogical, argument that can be made. and no one is suggesting it.tempo_n_groove said:
Positive post right here. Constructive criticism too, well done.rgambs said:You guys are fucking idiots if you think making light of this issue is ok when there are still bodies waiting to be buried.
It's all a big joke to you, hehe haha hoho, I shoot my bang bang hehe.
Grow up and get a fucking life.
The man does have a point though.
if there is ever a knife that can kill 58 people and injure 500 more in 10 minutes from 32 floors up and hundreds of meters away in the dark, then you have an argument.Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
ok, I shouldn't have said "no one". I should have said "no one who is being realistic".PJPOWER said:
I agree with you, it’s pointless to suggest banning ALL guns. That being said, there are plenty around that are drooling over an amendment to the constitution and would throw their vote at anyone pushing a complete ban. To suggest that “no one wants to ban all guns” is vastly ignoring a significant number of voters that would love that. Just go to a Coalition to Stop Gun Violence Facebook page and read some of the comments by the gun control lovers. They are not an anomaly, they are easy to find.HughFreakingDillon said:
pretty sure those people are only using those examples to highlight that gun control can work. they know that the outright banning of ALL guns is simply not possible in the US. you can't, anyway, without an amendment to the constitution.PJPOWER said:
So the people suggesting that the US should adopt policies mirroring Australia’s and Europe’s are not suggesting banning handguns and single shot rifles...got it...HughFreakingDillon said:
no, he doesn't. it ludicrous to compare knives to automatic weapons. NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BANNING HANDGUNS/SINGLE SHOT RIFLES. if you want to compare, that is the only, still semi-illogical, argument that can be made. and no one is suggesting it.tempo_n_groove said:
Positive post right here. Constructive criticism too, well done.rgambs said:You guys are fucking idiots if you think making light of this issue is ok when there are still bodies waiting to be buried.
It's all a big joke to you, hehe haha hoho, I shoot my bang bang hehe.
Grow up and get a fucking life.
The man does have a point though.
if there is ever a knife that can kill 58 people and injure 500 more in 10 minutes from 32 floors up and hundreds of meters away in the dark, then you have an argument.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
I do agree with you thereHughFreakingDillon said:
ok, I shouldn't have said "no one". I should have said "no one who is being realistic".PJPOWER said:
I agree with you, it’s pointless to suggest banning ALL guns. That being said, there are plenty around that are drooling over an amendment to the constitution and would throw their vote at anyone pushing a complete ban. To suggest that “no one wants to ban all guns” is vastly ignoring a significant number of voters that would love that. Just go to a Coalition to Stop Gun Violence Facebook page and read some of the comments by the gun control lovers. They are not an anomaly, they are easy to find.HughFreakingDillon said:
pretty sure those people are only using those examples to highlight that gun control can work. they know that the outright banning of ALL guns is simply not possible in the US. you can't, anyway, without an amendment to the constitution.PJPOWER said:
So the people suggesting that the US should adopt policies mirroring Australia’s and Europe’s are not suggesting banning handguns and single shot rifles...got it...HughFreakingDillon said:
no, he doesn't. it ludicrous to compare knives to automatic weapons. NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BANNING HANDGUNS/SINGLE SHOT RIFLES. if you want to compare, that is the only, still semi-illogical, argument that can be made. and no one is suggesting it.tempo_n_groove said:
Positive post right here. Constructive criticism too, well done.rgambs said:You guys are fucking idiots if you think making light of this issue is ok when there are still bodies waiting to be buried.
It's all a big joke to you, hehe haha hoho, I shoot my bang bang hehe.
Grow up and get a fucking life.
The man does have a point though.
if there is ever a knife that can kill 58 people and injure 500 more in 10 minutes from 32 floors up and hundreds of meters away in the dark, then you have an argument.
. Unfortunately, “reality” is a non-issue to a large number of the worlds population these days. Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
yes but those people are just as out of touch as the gun advocates and the NRA who think that any legislation is going to lead to all guns being taken away. most rational people don't believe all guns should be eliminated and that we can achieve more sensible laws. unfortunately the NRA is so powerful that almost any meaningful legislation for any gun control laws is almost impossible to pass at this point.PJPOWER said:
I agree with you, it’s pointless to suggest banning ALL guns. That being said, there are plenty around that are drooling over an amendment to the constitution and would throw their vote at anyone pushing a complete ban. To suggest that “no one wants to ban all guns” is vastly ignoring a significant number of voters that would love that. Just go to a Coalition to Stop Gun Violence Facebook page and read some of the comments by the gun control lovers. They are not an anomaly, those quacks are easy to find. Several here even.HughFreakingDillon said:
pretty sure those people are only using those examples to highlight that gun control can work. they know that the outright banning of ALL guns is simply not possible in the US. you can't, anyway, without an amendment to the constitution.PJPOWER said:
So the people suggesting that the US should adopt policies mirroring Australia’s and Europe’s are not suggesting banning handguns and single shot rifles...got it...HughFreakingDillon said:
no, he doesn't. it ludicrous to compare knives to automatic weapons. NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BANNING HANDGUNS/SINGLE SHOT RIFLES. if you want to compare, that is the only, still semi-illogical, argument that can be made. and no one is suggesting it.tempo_n_groove said:
Positive post right here. Constructive criticism too, well done.rgambs said:You guys are fucking idiots if you think making light of this issue is ok when there are still bodies waiting to be buried.
It's all a big joke to you, hehe haha hoho, I shoot my bang bang hehe.
Grow up and get a fucking life.
The man does have a point though.
if there is ever a knife that can kill 58 people and injure 500 more in 10 minutes from 32 floors up and hundreds of meters away in the dark, then you have an argument.0 -
An all-gun ban in the U.S.? I doubt that will happen. So let's get back to talking about more likely scenarios.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Which is probably why the more logical approach “at this point” would to be focusing on training and education. It’s idiotic to wait on the political “leaders” to get anything done. Stop being a sheep and learn a few life saving techniques, situational awareness, firearm training (if you so desire) and most importantly, educate others. Do not wait on some government program to save your life. And, before I get bombarded once again, this does not mean you have to stop being a gun control activist, just supplement your activism with some actually real life skills. Many of them are simple...like knowing where to park at the store...pjhawks said:
yes but those people are just as out of touch as the gun advocates and the NRA who think that any legislation is going to lead to all guns being taken away. most rational people don't believe all guns should be eliminated and that we can achieve more sensible laws. unfortunately the NRA is so powerful that almost any meaningful legislation for any gun control laws is almost impossible to pass at this point.PJPOWER said:
I agree with you, it’s pointless to suggest banning ALL guns. That being said, there are plenty around that are drooling over an amendment to the constitution and would throw their vote at anyone pushing a complete ban. To suggest that “no one wants to ban all guns” is vastly ignoring a significant number of voters that would love that. Just go to a Coalition to Stop Gun Violence Facebook page and read some of the comments by the gun control lovers. They are not an anomaly, those quacks are easy to find. Several here even.HughFreakingDillon said:
pretty sure those people are only using those examples to highlight that gun control can work. they know that the outright banning of ALL guns is simply not possible in the US. you can't, anyway, without an amendment to the constitution.PJPOWER said:
So the people suggesting that the US should adopt policies mirroring Australia’s and Europe’s are not suggesting banning handguns and single shot rifles...got it...HughFreakingDillon said:
no, he doesn't. it ludicrous to compare knives to automatic weapons. NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BANNING HANDGUNS/SINGLE SHOT RIFLES. if you want to compare, that is the only, still semi-illogical, argument that can be made. and no one is suggesting it.tempo_n_groove said:
Positive post right here. Constructive criticism too, well done.rgambs said:You guys are fucking idiots if you think making light of this issue is ok when there are still bodies waiting to be buried.
It's all a big joke to you, hehe haha hoho, I shoot my bang bang hehe.
Grow up and get a fucking life.
The man does have a point though.
if there is ever a knife that can kill 58 people and injure 500 more in 10 minutes from 32 floors up and hundreds of meters away in the dark, then you have an argument.
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well we've reached a new level of idiocy i see. what should the victims in Vegas or Pulse Nightclub have done? yea i guess those victims in Vegas should have kept themselves safe by staying at home...but wait you gun nuts think people are coming into your homes for you and need guns to protect your families (have heard the protect my family argument many times here). so which is it? if you are worried you need a gun to protect your home even those victims in vegas wouldn't be safe at home by gun advocates theories so what should they do? let's all just bend over and take it hard and deep in the rear from the NRA just because they are so fucking stubborn they won't compromise at all for any meaningful gun legislation. and you wonder why people call gun advocates gun nuts.PJPOWER said:
Which is probably why the more logical approach “at this point” would to be focusing on training and education. It’s idiotic to wait on the political “leaders” to get anything done. Stop being a sheep and learn a few life saving techniques, situational awareness, firearm training (if you so desire) and most importantly, educate others. Do not wait on some government program to save your life. And, before I get bombarded once again, this does not mean you have to stop being a gun control activist, just supplement your activism with some actually real life skills. Many of them are simple...like knowing where to park at the store...pjhawks said:
yes but those people are just as out of touch as the gun advocates and the NRA who think that any legislation is going to lead to all guns being taken away. most rational people don't believe all guns should be eliminated and that we can achieve more sensible laws. unfortunately the NRA is so powerful that almost any meaningful legislation for any gun control laws is almost impossible to pass at this point.PJPOWER said:
I agree with you, it’s pointless to suggest banning ALL guns. That being said, there are plenty around that are drooling over an amendment to the constitution and would throw their vote at anyone pushing a complete ban. To suggest that “no one wants to ban all guns” is vastly ignoring a significant number of voters that would love that. Just go to a Coalition to Stop Gun Violence Facebook page and read some of the comments by the gun control lovers. They are not an anomaly, those quacks are easy to find. Several here even.HughFreakingDillon said:
pretty sure those people are only using those examples to highlight that gun control can work. they know that the outright banning of ALL guns is simply not possible in the US. you can't, anyway, without an amendment to the constitution.PJPOWER said:
So the people suggesting that the US should adopt policies mirroring Australia’s and Europe’s are not suggesting banning handguns and single shot rifles...got it...HughFreakingDillon said:
no, he doesn't. it ludicrous to compare knives to automatic weapons. NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BANNING HANDGUNS/SINGLE SHOT RIFLES. if you want to compare, that is the only, still semi-illogical, argument that can be made. and no one is suggesting it.tempo_n_groove said:
Positive post right here. Constructive criticism too, well done.rgambs said:You guys are fucking idiots if you think making light of this issue is ok when there are still bodies waiting to be buried.
It's all a big joke to you, hehe haha hoho, I shoot my bang bang hehe.
Grow up and get a fucking life.
The man does have a point though.
if there is ever a knife that can kill 58 people and injure 500 more in 10 minutes from 32 floors up and hundreds of meters away in the dark, then you have an argument.
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Wow...to me, “bending over” is not knowing to be aware of exits when you are at a concert, not knowing certain life saving techniques if you were in a situation where someone was bleeding out (maybe even during a car accident). There were plenty of stories of people using these techniques to save lives during the Vegas shooting, but also plenty of examples of people being ignorant (see the dude standing and flipping the bird to the gunman). I’m not sure why some of you see learning a bit of personal responsibility as a contradiction to gun control. I would say that, on top of any gun control, people need to go back to take a little personal responsibility in learning some basic survival techniques. And you wonder why some gun control pushers are called lazy dumbasses that cannot think for themselves. Any of the legislation being touted by the most extreme gun control advocates would take YEARS to actually change anything...if it did at all. Does not hurt to know a few basics about how to survive in the mean time...pjhawks said:
well we've reached a new level of idiocy i see. yea i guess those victims in Vegas should have kept themselves safe by staying at home...but wait you gun nuts think people are coming into your homes for you and need guns to protect your families (have heard the protect my family argument many times here). so which is it? if you are worried you need a gun to protect your home even those victims in vegas wouldn't be safe at home by gun advocates theories so what should they do? let's all just bend over and take it hard and deep in the rear from the NRA just because they are so fucking stubborn they won't compromise at all for any meaningful gun legislation. and you wonder why people call gun advocates gun nuts.PJPOWER said:
Which is probably why the more logical approach “at this point” would to be focusing on training and education. It’s idiotic to wait on the political “leaders” to get anything done. Stop being a sheep and learn a few life saving techniques, situational awareness, firearm training (if you so desire) and most importantly, educate others. Do not wait on some government program to save your life. And, before I get bombarded once again, this does not mean you have to stop being a gun control activist, just supplement your activism with some actually real life skills. Many of them are simple...like knowing where to park at the store...pjhawks said:
yes but those people are just as out of touch as the gun advocates and the NRA who think that any legislation is going to lead to all guns being taken away. most rational people don't believe all guns should be eliminated and that we can achieve more sensible laws. unfortunately the NRA is so powerful that almost any meaningful legislation for any gun control laws is almost impossible to pass at this point.PJPOWER said:
I agree with you, it’s pointless to suggest banning ALL guns. That being said, there are plenty around that are drooling over an amendment to the constitution and would throw their vote at anyone pushing a complete ban. To suggest that “no one wants to ban all guns” is vastly ignoring a significant number of voters that would love that. Just go to a Coalition to Stop Gun Violence Facebook page and read some of the comments by the gun control lovers. They are not an anomaly, those quacks are easy to find. Several here even.HughFreakingDillon said:
pretty sure those people are only using those examples to highlight that gun control can work. they know that the outright banning of ALL guns is simply not possible in the US. you can't, anyway, without an amendment to the constitution.PJPOWER said:
So the people suggesting that the US should adopt policies mirroring Australia’s and Europe’s are not suggesting banning handguns and single shot rifles...got it...HughFreakingDillon said:
no, he doesn't. it ludicrous to compare knives to automatic weapons. NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BANNING HANDGUNS/SINGLE SHOT RIFLES. if you want to compare, that is the only, still semi-illogical, argument that can be made. and no one is suggesting it.tempo_n_groove said:
Positive post right here. Constructive criticism too, well done.rgambs said:You guys are fucking idiots if you think making light of this issue is ok when there are still bodies waiting to be buried.
It's all a big joke to you, hehe haha hoho, I shoot my bang bang hehe.
Grow up and get a fucking life.
The man does have a point though.
if there is ever a knife that can kill 58 people and injure 500 more in 10 minutes from 32 floors up and hundreds of meters away in the dark, then you have an argument.Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
blaming the victims. what a new low you have achieved here. bravo. you must be so proud of yourself.PJPOWER said:
Wow...to me, “bending over” is not knowing to be aware of exits when you are at a concert, not knowing certain life saving techniques if you were in a situation where someone was bleeding out (maybe even during a car accident). There were plenty of stories of people using these techniques to save lives during the Vegas shooting, but also plenty of examples of people being ignorant (see the dude standing and flipping the bird to the gunman). I’m not sure why some of you see learning a bit of personal responsibility as a contradiction to gun control. I would say that, on top of any gun control, people need to go back to take a little personal responsibility in learning some basic survival techniques. And you wonder why some gun control pushers are called lazy dumbasses that cannot think for themselves. Any of the legislation being touted by the most extreme gun control advocates would take YEARS to actually change anything...if it did at all. Does not hurt to know a few basics about how to survive in the mean time...pjhawks said:
well we've reached a new level of idiocy i see. yea i guess those victims in Vegas should have kept themselves safe by staying at home...but wait you gun nuts think people are coming into your homes for you and need guns to protect your families (have heard the protect my family argument many times here). so which is it? if you are worried you need a gun to protect your home even those victims in vegas wouldn't be safe at home by gun advocates theories so what should they do? let's all just bend over and take it hard and deep in the rear from the NRA just because they are so fucking stubborn they won't compromise at all for any meaningful gun legislation. and you wonder why people call gun advocates gun nuts.PJPOWER said:
Which is probably why the more logical approach “at this point” would to be focusing on training and education. It’s idiotic to wait on the political “leaders” to get anything done. Stop being a sheep and learn a few life saving techniques, situational awareness, firearm training (if you so desire) and most importantly, educate others. Do not wait on some government program to save your life. And, before I get bombarded once again, this does not mean you have to stop being a gun control activist, just supplement your activism with some actually real life skills. Many of them are simple...like knowing where to park at the store...pjhawks said:
yes but those people are just as out of touch as the gun advocates and the NRA who think that any legislation is going to lead to all guns being taken away. most rational people don't believe all guns should be eliminated and that we can achieve more sensible laws. unfortunately the NRA is so powerful that almost any meaningful legislation for any gun control laws is almost impossible to pass at this point.PJPOWER said:
I agree with you, it’s pointless to suggest banning ALL guns. That being said, there are plenty around that are drooling over an amendment to the constitution and would throw their vote at anyone pushing a complete ban. To suggest that “no one wants to ban all guns” is vastly ignoring a significant number of voters that would love that. Just go to a Coalition to Stop Gun Violence Facebook page and read some of the comments by the gun control lovers. They are not an anomaly, those quacks are easy to find. Several here even.HughFreakingDillon said:
pretty sure those people are only using those examples to highlight that gun control can work. they know that the outright banning of ALL guns is simply not possible in the US. you can't, anyway, without an amendment to the constitution.PJPOWER said:
So the people suggesting that the US should adopt policies mirroring Australia’s and Europe’s are not suggesting banning handguns and single shot rifles...got it...HughFreakingDillon said:
no, he doesn't. it ludicrous to compare knives to automatic weapons. NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BANNING HANDGUNS/SINGLE SHOT RIFLES. if you want to compare, that is the only, still semi-illogical, argument that can be made. and no one is suggesting it.tempo_n_groove said:
Positive post right here. Constructive criticism too, well done.rgambs said:You guys are fucking idiots if you think making light of this issue is ok when there are still bodies waiting to be buried.
It's all a big joke to you, hehe haha hoho, I shoot my bang bang hehe.
Grow up and get a fucking life.
The man does have a point though.
if there is ever a knife that can kill 58 people and injure 500 more in 10 minutes from 32 floors up and hundreds of meters away in the dark, then you have an argument.0 -
Blaming the victims??? More like learning from the situation. Stop trying to twist shit. I know it’s the only card in some libtard playbooks, but seriously? Do you not think everyone knowing some basic survival skills is a good thing? You are basically encouraging ignorance.pjhawks said:
blaming the victims. what a new low you have achieved here. bravo. you must be so proud of yourself.PJPOWER said:
Wow...to me, “bending over” is not knowing to be aware of exits when you are at a concert, not knowing certain life saving techniques if you were in a situation where someone was bleeding out (maybe even during a car accident). There were plenty of stories of people using these techniques to save lives during the Vegas shooting, but also plenty of examples of people being ignorant (see the dude standing and flipping the bird to the gunman). I’m not sure why some of you see learning a bit of personal responsibility as a contradiction to gun control. I would say that, on top of any gun control, people need to go back to take a little personal responsibility in learning some basic survival techniques. And you wonder why some gun control pushers are called lazy dumbasses that cannot think for themselves. Any of the legislation being touted by the most extreme gun control advocates would take YEARS to actually change anything...if it did at all. Does not hurt to know a few basics about how to survive in the mean time...pjhawks said:
well we've reached a new level of idiocy i see. yea i guess those victims in Vegas should have kept themselves safe by staying at home...but wait you gun nuts think people are coming into your homes for you and need guns to protect your families (have heard the protect my family argument many times here). so which is it? if you are worried you need a gun to protect your home even those victims in vegas wouldn't be safe at home by gun advocates theories so what should they do? let's all just bend over and take it hard and deep in the rear from the NRA just because they are so fucking stubborn they won't compromise at all for any meaningful gun legislation. and you wonder why people call gun advocates gun nuts.PJPOWER said:
Which is probably why the more logical approach “at this point” would to be focusing on training and education. It’s idiotic to wait on the political “leaders” to get anything done. Stop being a sheep and learn a few life saving techniques, situational awareness, firearm training (if you so desire) and most importantly, educate others. Do not wait on some government program to save your life. And, before I get bombarded once again, this does not mean you have to stop being a gun control activist, just supplement your activism with some actually real life skills. Many of them are simple...like knowing where to park at the store...pjhawks said:
yes but those people are just as out of touch as the gun advocates and the NRA who think that any legislation is going to lead to all guns being taken away. most rational people don't believe all guns should be eliminated and that we can achieve more sensible laws. unfortunately the NRA is so powerful that almost any meaningful legislation for any gun control laws is almost impossible to pass at this point.PJPOWER said:
I agree with you, it’s pointless to suggest banning ALL guns. That being said, there are plenty around that are drooling over an amendment to the constitution and would throw their vote at anyone pushing a complete ban. To suggest that “no one wants to ban all guns” is vastly ignoring a significant number of voters that would love that. Just go to a Coalition to Stop Gun Violence Facebook page and read some of the comments by the gun control lovers. They are not an anomaly, those quacks are easy to find. Several here even.HughFreakingDillon said:
pretty sure those people are only using those examples to highlight that gun control can work. they know that the outright banning of ALL guns is simply not possible in the US. you can't, anyway, without an amendment to the constitution.PJPOWER said:
So the people suggesting that the US should adopt policies mirroring Australia’s and Europe’s are not suggesting banning handguns and single shot rifles...got it...HughFreakingDillon said:
no, he doesn't. it ludicrous to compare knives to automatic weapons. NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BANNING HANDGUNS/SINGLE SHOT RIFLES. if you want to compare, that is the only, still semi-illogical, argument that can be made. and no one is suggesting it.tempo_n_groove said:
Positive post right here. Constructive criticism too, well done.rgambs said:You guys are fucking idiots if you think making light of this issue is ok when there are still bodies waiting to be buried.
It's all a big joke to you, hehe haha hoho, I shoot my bang bang hehe.
Grow up and get a fucking life.
The man does have a point though.
if there is ever a knife that can kill 58 people and injure 500 more in 10 minutes from 32 floors up and hundreds of meters away in the dark, then you have an argument.0 -
But in a sense... demanding people learn 'mass shooting survival tactics' means acceptance.
It's not a suggestion received well when a population is trying to stop the never ending stream of mass murders in the pubic settings by appealing to common sense gun laws.
Don't get me wrong. The idea of preparing yourself for an emergency situation is solid advice- I've been OFA Level II certified 9 or 10 times now. My initial motivation was at the thought of me standing uselessly over someone that needed me. But the context you offer your suggestion is not the greatest when other proactive measures are being promoted (versus reactive)."My brain's a good brain!"0
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