"why are there so many mass shootings today?"

ajedigecko said:

...a good article to read.
...addresses the root systemic problem.

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/why-are-there-so-many-mass-shootings-today

mcgruff10 said:

I've read in a couple articles that the majority of mass shooters/killers are on similar prescription drugs.  Any truth to this?

PJ_Soul said:

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rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

^^^ So the problem is that people are violent dicks and aren't allowed to "express" that anymore, so turn to mass murder? Jesus, that does not reflect well on people (of the male variety, namely). I think the solution, in that case, will be found in how America is raising/socializing children, especially boys. Because a well-adjusted person really shouldn't have this overwhelming urge to physically fight. That there is a premise that they need an outlet for their physical rage even exists defines the problem. Human beings are more than capable of dealing with their emotions in a different and more constructive way than that. It's just that some societies don't bother teaching them how.

Dealing with undesirable urges and eliminating them are two very different things.
A high testosterone human male is pretty likely to encounter that urge now and again, and aside from a lifetime of meditation on the subject, that isn't going to change.
Our biology is still very much in play, a civilized man rejects and suppresses the urge to violence and sex, but our brain chemistry still produces those urges regularly.

That being said, this theory is dumb lol

Well that's what I'm saying. People are capable of dealing with their emotions, and should always be expected to (outside of certain mental illnesses). That doesn't mean they don't have the emotions, but they should always be expected to be able to control the violent expression of them. That said, I do still think that if a "civilized man" is regularly being overcome by violent and sexual urges to the point that they need to consciously be suppressed in order not to lash out and go around hitting and raping, there is something seriously wrong with that person. I mean, I hope you're not suggesting that it's normal for a guy to have violent and hard-to-control sexual urges. If you are.... well, I would see that as pretty fucked up. I know a whole lot of men, and none of them are needing to actively "suppress" those two feelings to avoid acting out of line. If someone's brain chemistry is doing that to them, then they should be seeing a psychiatrist.

PJ_Soul said:

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rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

^^^ So the problem is that people are violent dicks and aren't allowed to "express" that anymore, so turn to mass murder? Jesus, that does not reflect well on people (of the male variety, namely). I think the solution, in that case, will be found in how America is raising/socializing children, especially boys. Because a well-adjusted person really shouldn't have this overwhelming urge to physically fight. That there is a premise that they need an outlet for their physical rage even exists defines the problem. Human beings are more than capable of dealing with their emotions in a different and more constructive way than that. It's just that some societies don't bother teaching them how.

Dealing with undesirable urges and eliminating them are two very different things.
A high testosterone human male is pretty likely to encounter that urge now and again, and aside from a lifetime of meditation on the subject, that isn't going to change.
Our biology is still very much in play, a civilized man rejects and suppresses the urge to violence and sex, but our brain chemistry still produces those urges regularly.

That being said, this theory is dumb lol

Well that's what I'm saying. People are capable of dealing with their emotions, and should always be expected to (outside of certain mental illnesses). That doesn't mean they don't have the emotions, but they should always be expected to be able to control the violent expression of them. That said, I do still think that if a "civilized man" is regularly being overcome by violent and sexual urges to the point that they need to consciously be suppressed in order not to lash out and go around hitting and raping, there is something seriously wrong with that person. I mean, I hope you're not suggesting that it's normal for a guy to have violent and hard-to-control sexual urges. If you are.... well, I would see that as pretty fucked up. I know a whole lot of men, and none of them are needing to actively "suppress" those two feelings to avoid acting out of line. If someone's brain chemistry is doing that to them, then they should be seeing a psychiatrist.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

We have tried to explain evil behaviour for our entire existence. I am not sure we are capable of doing that.

Why did the serial murderer do what they did? What made the mass murderer 'snap'? How can we prevent these things from happening? We note commonalities among these types and we trace their roots to try and understand what made these people do what they did... but I don't think we are capable of truly understanding or, for that matter, accepting what we seek.

Apes such as chimpanzees and baboons demonstrate cruelty in various manners. Unfortunately, straight across the board, we're not too far removed from them in this particular facet of life. As much as we have developed intellectually and socially... we still harbour inherent levels of evil. The perfect storm of nature and nurture periodically creates a disaster of a human being that displays exceptional levels of evil.  

HughFreakingDillon said:

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PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

^^^ So the problem is that people are violent dicks and aren't allowed to "express" that anymore, so turn to mass murder? Jesus, that does not reflect well on people (of the male variety, namely). I think the solution, in that case, will be found in how America is raising/socializing children, especially boys. Because a well-adjusted person really shouldn't have this overwhelming urge to physically fight. That there is a premise that they need an outlet for their physical rage even exists defines the problem. Human beings are more than capable of dealing with their emotions in a different and more constructive way than that. It's just that some societies don't bother teaching them how.

Dealing with undesirable urges and eliminating them are two very different things.
A high testosterone human male is pretty likely to encounter that urge now and again, and aside from a lifetime of meditation on the subject, that isn't going to change.
Our biology is still very much in play, a civilized man rejects and suppresses the urge to violence and sex, but our brain chemistry still produces those urges regularly.

That being said, this theory is dumb lol

Well that's what I'm saying. People are capable of dealing with their emotions, and should always be expected to (outside of certain mental illnesses). That doesn't mean they don't have the emotions, but they should always be expected to be able to control the violent expression of them. That said, I do still think that if a "civilized man" is regularly being overcome by violent and sexual urges to the point that they need to consciously be suppressed in order not to lash out and go around hitting and raping, there is something seriously wrong with that person. I mean, I hope you're not suggesting that it's normal for a guy to have violent and hard-to-control sexual urges. If you are.... well, I would see that as pretty fucked up. I know a whole lot of men, and none of them are needing to actively "suppress" those two feelings to avoid acting out of line. If someone's brain chemistry is doing that to them, then they should be seeing a psychiatrist.

I am confident you are correct, however......how could you possibly know this?  you don't think that if they had these issues that they'd tell you about it, do you?

Lizard said:

i think you cannot overlook lack of respect.. for life, for fellow human beings...... see it everywhere in American society... and all the way to the top of the WH.