America's Gun Violence

tbergs said:

oftenreading said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so if some inept dotard shot up a school with hundreds of people in it, and missed all of them, that wouldn't be classified as a mass shooting incident? bullet casings everywhere, terror reigns through the halls, but not a mass shooting. Hmmmm......

Yeah I just looked it up and the FBI does say a mass shooting is four or more people dead.  
So I'm guessing the anti-gun crowd skewed the meaning a little to make that graph look a lot more sinister.

Thats funny. I guess I never looked directly at FBI stats, come to think of it I was always reading articles that claimed to be quoting FBI stats. Guess they lied.

I don't think there's a lie being spread or anyone making mass shootings more sinister by the stats being shown. The stats are real. The only difference is how many were killed as opposed to shot by definition of mass shooter. If you don't find the fact that there have been more than 300 incidents where more than 4 people were shot in a single incident this year disturbing and out of control then that's some sinister thinking.

I disagree with the first part. One of the articles I read was posted here within the last few days that said "according to the FBI...." then goes on to quote mass shootings.
Not that it makes the incidents it less bad, but it clearly is misquoting data to push a point. I've read multiple articles in this week that talk about mass shooting victims, all included injuries of 4 or more and nearly all claimed to be using the FBI as a source.
Not that it means we shouldn't do anything about it, but it is skewing or misrepresenting the data.
I agree that its still disturbing.

Nope, not at all clear that the media is misquoting FBI stats to push a point. The FBI does collect this data, of course; they just don't use that term, but other people are free to use the term. The media may be misrepresenting it but the fact that that's your first conclusion says a lot.

Maybe post a link to an article that you think misrepresents the data an we can take a look.

Maybe this will help clear up why there is such a misperception out there. Again, I don't think anyone is being misleading, but those referencing the data need to understand what it means.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/10/04/the-squishy-definition-of-mass-shooting-complicates-media-coverage/?utm_term=.0afa15025993

Thank you. 

The last bit is particularly interesting - very conservative outlets want such a restrictive definition that it excludes anyone who perpetrated a mass shooting as a means to an end, including when that end is to advance an ideology. That cuts out a lot, of course; how many are there, really, where the gunman has no purpose or goal?  
 

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I think I have more disgust for Conway than I do Trump. She just seems evil. He seems just fucking stupid. 

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:

Watching CNN: headline says "NRA thinks there should be more restrictions on bump stocks."
Follow up headline: there could be a GOP led bill banning them as soon as today. 

Kellyanne Conway, that slimy bitch, is blaming the Obama admin for this, saying they should have done something about bump stocks during his admin. Meanwhile, Speaker Ryan says "I didn't even know what these were until this week". So should Obama have been the guy with the crystal ball that should have not only known about these, but also predicted their potential? And why didn't Ryan know what they were if Obama was supposed to?

aaaaah the jack ass blame game. Got ya. 
But politics aside and ban these mother fucking devices.  There is absolutely no need to own one. And No grandfathering in either. 

her title should be Whining Secretary to the President. All she does is bitch about the coverage that CNN gives, or doesn't give, to Trump. STFU and go back to the cave you came out of. 

my2hands said:

There is no debate.... guns fucking suck

Cutting to the quick.  Works for me.  I hate them too.

Though not always in agreement with Senator Feinstein, I'm all for this:

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?id=CA2F48A6-DFAE-4999-93D1-ED2C7347DC37

"Washington—Senate Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and a number of Democrats today introduced the Automatic Gun Fire Prevention Act, a bill to close a loophole that allows semi-automatic weapons to be easily modified to fire at the rate of automatic weapons, which have been illegal for more than 30 years."

HughFreakingDillon said:

I think I have more disgust for Conway than I do Trump. She just seems evil. He seems just fucking stupid. 

Lol, I have to agree with you on this....with a name like CON~WAY one can see how she comes up with terms like *alternative facts*. She seriously reminds me of *Eddie* the Iron Maiden mascot. On another music forum someone posted a side by side the resemblance I astounding.

Peace

If i want to get a gun here in the uk. Its made near on impossible and the illegal guns on the street are miniscule compared to knives atm. We have a knife culture here at the present time. I think the horse has bolted in the u.s.a so any restrictions would help in a small way. Mass shootings here are very very rare. Exclude the recent trend of jihadist extremes because thats a new worldwide craze. Lone wolf mentally troubled folk with a gun at a school or event here happens but once every 5-10 years. Agreed too often but mass murder here isn't really an issue daily or weekly like u.s.a 

bootlegger10 said:

Nails and bolts have a purpose other than a pressure cooker bomb component.  Guns only kill people.  That is their purpose.    Of course we would ban bolts and nails if their only use was to killl people.

Silly rabbit, guns also kill deer, hogs, rabid coyotes, and a number of other game animals that are legal to hunt.  Maybe you are not talking about “those” guns though.