America's Gun Violence

HughFreakingDillon · October 2017

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

I am quite perplexed that there have been no responses to the 538 article that I posted earlier. I know that there are some strong 538 fans around here...

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mass-shootings-are-a-bad-way-to-understand-gun-violence/
“You could, theoretically, cut down on all these deaths with a blanket removal of guns from the U.S. entirely — something that is as politically unlikely as it is legally untenable.”
There is no magic spell that is just going to make guns go away in the US, but as the article suggests, many other things could change. The same changes that may stop a mass shooting would do little to stop other forms of gun violence. Personally, I am a big supporter of individual responsibilities. There are no quick fixes that are going to guarantee that this sort of thing will not happen again. That’s reality. That being said, what could an average person be doing on top of bitching about politics on an AMT forum? Go to the fucking active shooter awareness classes that many cities make available for free. They teach you to be aware of basic warning signs that could help a person recognize potentially unsafe places. Take some basic first aid classes (even just a CPR class is better than nothing). Learn some simple techniques for staying somewhat calm and focused during chaos. Take a firearm safety course (whether or not you are a gun owner), that way you can educate your friends and family about firearm safety.
Do not take this to mean that I am telling you to stop whatever fight you are trying to win in the gun debate, but think of it as supplemental education. If saving lives is truly the main goal, then fucking learn some life saving techniques. They may not stop a person from raining down gunfire on a bunch of people, but may save a few lives when, yes “when”, another event like this takes place. This is stuff you could do today instead of waiting for some unlikely gun control measure to be implemented that would effectively end crazy people doing crazy things.

So in other words... get used to it.

Unbelievable.

Actually it's not. You guys elected Donald Trump. If you have the collective mindset to do that... why would anyone think you'd be wise enough to solve your gun problem which is far easier than gun advocates make it out to be?

Simply put: the will to solve the problem isn't there. You guys would rather have Sandy Hooks than relinquish the opportunity to shoot machine guns at empty beer cans at the landfill.

No, do not ”get used to it” for fucks sake. Keep trying to solve the gun problem, but the odds are that something like this will happen again before any real policies make a difference. So *also* do your part in personally trying to be as diligent and educated as possible. Do not be a sheep. Unbelievable indeed...

You submitted a post that encourages people to be prepared for mass shootings.

To me... that says 'get used to it'.

The answer is simple, Power, whether you care to admit it or not. I stand by my statement: the will to change is not there. Your country is willing to feature mass shootings so that people can shoot shit with cool guns.

his post is not alluding to "get used to it" any more than encouraging women to take self-defense classes is telling them to get used to rape and it's up to them to deal with it. It's being smart and diligent in the world we live in at present. he specifically stated "Do not take this to mean that I am telling you to stop whatever fight you are trying to win in the gun debate, but think of it as supplemental education. If saving lives is truly the main goal, then fucking learn some life saving techniques."

I agree with this completely.

PJPOWER · October 2017

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

I am quite perplexed that there have been no responses to the 538 article that I posted earlier. I know that there are some strong 538 fans around here...

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mass-shootings-are-a-bad-way-to-understand-gun-violence/
“You could, theoretically, cut down on all these deaths with a blanket removal of guns from the U.S. entirely — something that is as politically unlikely as it is legally untenable.”
There is no magic spell that is just going to make guns go away in the US, but as the article suggests, many other things could change. The same changes that may stop a mass shooting would do little to stop other forms of gun violence. Personally, I am a big supporter of individual responsibilities. There are no quick fixes that are going to guarantee that this sort of thing will not happen again. That’s reality. That being said, what could an average person be doing on top of bitching about politics on an AMT forum? Go to the fucking active shooter awareness classes that many cities make available for free. They teach you to be aware of basic warning signs that could help a person recognize potentially unsafe places. Take some basic first aid classes (even just a CPR class is better than nothing). Learn some simple techniques for staying somewhat calm and focused during chaos. Take a firearm safety course (whether or not you are a gun owner), that way you can educate your friends and family about firearm safety.
Do not take this to mean that I am telling you to stop whatever fight you are trying to win in the gun debate, but think of it as supplemental education. If saving lives is truly the main goal, then fucking learn some life saving techniques. They may not stop a person from raining down gunfire on a bunch of people, but may save a few lives when, yes “when”, another event like this takes place. This is stuff you could do today instead of waiting for some unlikely gun control measure to be implemented that would effectively end crazy people doing crazy things.

So in other words... get used to it.

Unbelievable.

Actually it's not. You guys elected Donald Trump. If you have the collective mindset to do that... why would anyone think you'd be wise enough to solve your gun problem which is far easier than gun advocates make it out to be?

Simply put: the will to solve the problem isn't there. You guys would rather have Sandy Hooks than relinquish the opportunity to shoot machine guns at empty beer cans at the landfill.

No, do not ”get used to it” for fucks sake. Keep trying to solve the gun problem, but the odds are that something like this will happen again before any real policies make a difference. So *also* do your part in personally trying to be as diligent and educated as possible. Do not be a sheep. Unbelievable indeed...

You submitted a post that encourages people to be prepared for mass shootings.

To me... that says 'get used to it'.

The answer is simple, Power, whether you care to admit it or not. I stand by my statement: the will to change is not there. Your country is willing to feature mass shootings so that people can shoot shit with cool guns.

his post is not alluding to "get used to it" any more than encouraging women to take self-defense classes is telling them to get used to rape and it's up to them to deal with it. It's being smart and diligent in the world we live in at present. he specifically stated "Do not take this to mean that I am telling you to stop whatever fight you are trying to win in the gun debate, but think of it as supplemental education. If saving lives is truly the main goal, then fucking learn some life saving techniques."

I agree with this completely.

Exactly, the fact is that anyone could be caught up in one of these events at any time. Hell, it doesn’t even have to do with a mass shooting, learn how to help people suffering a random injury at a concert, car wreck, whatever. I think that so many people have become complacent in thinking that someone else will save them or others that they have become “lazy” when it comes to personal responsibility to help themselves and others. I know that we have different opinions regarding some of the specifics in the firearm debate, but how could anyone not be a proponent of encouraging people to learn how to save lives??? That does not sidestep the “real issue”, because the real focus has always been about saving lives, right? I guess that if you think your fellow human is just another parasite, like has been stated by someone else in this forum, then this is all pointless though...

Thirty Bills Unpaid · October 2017

I agree with the common sense aspect of Power's post given the grim reality.

I disagree with your analogy to some degree, Hugh. If some self gratifying hobby had the undesirable effect of yielding dramatically heightened levels of rape, then we would take the steps to safeguard women so they were not subjected to rape- not by telling them how to be careful when around men... but by dismantling the hobby.

The conversations cannot be about how to be safe in a dangerous country. The conversations need to be about how to make a dangerous country safer.

PJPOWER · October 2017

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I agree with the common sense aspect of Power's post given the grim reality.

I disagree with your analogy to some degree, Hugh. If some self gratifying hobby had the undesirable effect of yielding dramatically heightened levels of rape, then we would take the steps to safeguard women so they were not subjected to rape- not by telling them how to be careful when around men... but by dismantling the hobby.

The conversations cannot be about how to be safe in a dangerous country. The conversations need to be about how to make a dangerous country safer.

I think you can have both conversations. You should educate your daughters not to pass out drunk around a bunch of frat boys whose hobby is drinking and fucking as well as cracking down on the frat boy “drinking and fucking” culture. You can also educate people on how to be safe while trying to change the violent culture of a country. You do not have to be narrow minded while trying to make changes...

mace1229 · October 2017

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Smellyman said:

vaggar99 said:

lastexitlondon said:

For me a gun is a gun.
I still cannot understand this need to"protect" or bare arms.
Why does this seem to make a difference how many shots it can fire and how?
One bullet is too many. Why the fuck are people shooting anyone thats a question.
There is never a need for any human to carry a gun.
If you shoot one person or 600. All wrong. Remove the gun it can't happen.
All this bs about its not the gun its the person.come on.

the world is full of paranoid cowards. i don't say that in a light sense. its true though. get to know certain types of seemingly normal people and you'll see this deep fear and insecurity that only a weapon can cure.

and then the ones who just get off on having firepower

Guilty. It's recreation for me. I don't expect you to understand it...

Me too. I don't get the comments about getting off with them or compensation for something else.
Now mine are mostly .22s, and the ones that aren't are bolt or lever action, I don't have anything that could even be modified to replicate automatic fire. I don't know why anyone who has a different hobby thinks we are getting off with it. I just ignore it and chalk it up to one of those from the party of tolerance being intolerant of anyone who has a different belief or even hobby now than they do.

it's all based in anger because of the atrocities committed. I know it's probably difficult, but try not to take it personally.

I don't take it personally, but when I see it repeated several times it just makes me think that's what the anti-gun side truly believes, which is ridiculous.
I own about 20 guns I've collected over a period of about 20 years and have several hundred rounds of ammo right now, but would make for a terrible mass shooter.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with the amount of guns I own. About half are rifles, of which are several .22 (literally the smallest caliber) that range from pump action, semi auto that is barrel fed so takes forever to load, and magazine fed with a capacity of 8 rounds. A few bolt action and lever action and one black powder that takes about 2 minutes a shot.
My hand guns are mostly revolvers of different styles which typically hold 6 and are slow to reload. My semi-auto pistols have a magazine capacity of 8 because that was the limit in the state at the time I purchased them. I since moved and don't care to buy high capacity magazines now that they are legal, I'm completely happy with my limit of 8.
Why so much ammo? Why do you shop at Costco? Like anything else, its a lot cheaper in bulk. I can buy a box of 50 rounds for $20 That would last 20 minutes. Or a can of 250 rounds for $50. If anyone is willing to set up a go fund me account for my ammo I'd be happy to buy in smaller quantities, and I wouldn't have to bother storing it either.

I used to go target shooting about twice a year in the open desert or mountains. But due to cost of ammo and having small children now, I've gone twice in the last three years.
I am completely fine with heavy restrictions on assault rifles. They don't need to be banned completely, just ban the components that make it an assault rifle. Small magazine limits and a truly fixed magazine.
I'm okay with background checks, registering all guns, magazine limits on hand guns, eliminating the gun-show loophole and most everything else short of an all out ban on guns.

I've found most gun owners are like me in terms with why they own a firearm and what gun restrictions they are comfortable with. Polls about gun restrictions aren't accurate because that has such a broad meaning. Some proposed (and I think even passed in certain states) prohibit the sale of factory reloads. Why would anyone be against recycling? They are just as safe, just recycled material so they cost a lot less. Restrictions like that come across as not a restriction on safety, but an attempt to prevent people from buying guns and ammo in general so it is met with resistance. The amount of gun owners who support realistic gun control is pretty high in my experience.

Unfortunately, as the case with almost all groups, the loudest don't often represent the majority. CNN won't put guys like me in an interview, or on the cover of Guns and Ammo. They'll interview the guy with the AR-15 strapped around his shoulder wearing a sleeveless shirt about the second amendment and tell the American people that's the average gun owner.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2017

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I agree with the common sense aspect of Power's post given the grim reality.

I disagree with your analogy to some degree, Hugh. If some self gratifying hobby had the undesirable effect of yielding dramatically heightened levels of rape, then we would take the steps to safeguard women so they were not subjected to rape- not by telling them how to be careful when around men... but by dismantling the hobby.

The conversations cannot be about how to be safe in a dangerous country. The conversations need to be about how to make a dangerous country safer.

but how we arrive at the undesirable act, whether it be a hobby or a crime, is irrelevant. the fact of the matter is, these things happen, and until they stop, we need to know how to protect ourselves and others.

I agree with PJPOWER. Both conversations need to be had.

my2hands · October 2017

cp3iverson said:

We have murders almost 3x a week in my city and many more shootings that end up survivable. Vast majority are from handguns. I’m willing to bet that a lot of them were not obtained using the proper channels. Not sure how you solve those issues. It’s just very sad. Obviously you do your best to never venture into those d neighborhoods but the threat of someone shooting up the grocery store always exists.

All those handguns were bought legally at first....

Gern Blansten · October 2017

drakeheuer14 said:

dignin said:

What a macho, gun-packing Instagram star did when he was caught in the Las Vegas shooting

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/10/03/what-a-macho-gun-packing-instagram-star-did-when-he-was-caught-in-the-las-vegas-shooting/?tid=pm_pop

He is an interesting human being. But I don’t see the point you are trying to make? Guy tried to save his own life first, like most people would, and then the rest is up for debate. He said/she said all over the article. What do you want him to do?

Point is that this guy is always posting pictures of himself with guns...real tough guy. He supposedly wanted to be a Navy Seal and didn't make it.

brianlux · October 2017

When someone here says something about guns and violence in America, some of you who are gun enthusiasts who have taken gun safety classes (I have and I don't even shoot guns) and have a responsible attitude towards firearms might slow down a bit on taking some of these comments personally. For exampled, when I say America is addicted to violence, I don't mean you... or you... I mean, in general. Face it, we are. Look at TV, movies, games, media. We (America) LOVE violence.

And it's the gun extremists, the ones who want no controls, who think all people will act responsibly so we don't need laws or gun control or background checks and who think it's OK for average citizens to have automatic weapons- they are the ones that are causing a lot of the problem. Why would any responsible person defend that kind of behavior? I don't get it.

drakeheuer14 · October 2017

Gern Blansten said:

drakeheuer14 said:

dignin said:

What a macho, gun-packing Instagram star did when he was caught in the Las Vegas shooting

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/10/03/what-a-macho-gun-packing-instagram-star-did-when-he-was-caught-in-the-las-vegas-shooting/?tid=pm_pop

He is an interesting human being. But I don’t see the point you are trying to make? Guy tried to save his own life first, like most people would, and then the rest is up for debate. He said/she said all over the article. What do you want him to do?

Point is that this guy is always posting pictures of himself with guns...real tough guy. He supposedly wanted to be a Navy Seal and didn't make it.

I feel like I am missing something. Was he supposed to do something that he didn’t? Are we blaming him for people dying? Or is he just being shown as an example of gun culture?

I don’t get the point of the article as a whole. Just to bash someone famous for saving his ass? Wanting him to have had all of his guns on hand to defend everyone? I don’t expect anyone in that type of situation to be macho, no one was prepared for it

mace1229 · October 2017

What did you want him to do instead when they didn't even know where the bullets were coming from?

PJPOWER · October 2017

mace1229 said:

What did you want him to do instead when they didn't even know where the bullets were coming from?

I’m with you, I really do not understand the attention this guy is getting here. He is one guy amongst 20,000 there...All that I can make of it is that people are just trying to make fun of him for not going all Rambo and getting himself killed??

dignin · October 2017

drakeheuer14 said:

dignin said:

What a macho, gun-packing Instagram star did when he was caught in the Las Vegas shooting

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/10/03/what-a-macho-gun-packing-instagram-star-did-when-he-was-caught-in-the-las-vegas-shooting/?tid=pm_pop

He is an interesting human being. But I don’t see the point you are trying to make? Guy tried to save his own life first, like most people would, and then the rest is up for debate. He said/she said all over the article. What do you want him to do?

Was there a point I was trying to make? I just posted an article that stated the facts that I found interesting.

PJPOWER · October 2017

dignin said:

drakeheuer14 said:

dignin said:

What a macho, gun-packing Instagram star did when he was caught in the Las Vegas shooting

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/10/03/what-a-macho-gun-packing-instagram-star-did-when-he-was-caught-in-the-las-vegas-shooting/?tid=pm_pop

He is an interesting human being. But I don’t see the point you are trying to make? Guy tried to save his own life first, like most people would, and then the rest is up for debate. He said/she said all over the article. What do you want him to do?

Was there a point I was trying to make? I just posted an article that stated the facts that I found interesting.

So.....thanks for the pointless (by your own admission) post?

mace1229 · October 2017

dignin said:

drakeheuer14 said:

dignin said:

What a macho, gun-packing Instagram star did when he was caught in the Las Vegas shooting

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/10/03/what-a-macho-gun-packing-instagram-star-did-when-he-was-caught-in-the-las-vegas-shooting/?tid=pm_pop

He is an interesting human being. But I don’t see the point you are trying to make? Guy tried to save his own life first, like most people would, and then the rest is up for debate. He said/she said all over the article. What do you want him to do?

Was there a point I was trying to make? I just posted an article that stated the facts that I found interesting.

It just seems like you and the article were making fun of a guy for running from a mass shooting?
Im guessing its the "make fun of all guys with guns" thing thats been going on. But come on, he was in a mass shooting and saw people next to him get killed. Really, can we not make fun of the victims yet?

drakeheuer14 · October 2017

dignin said:

drakeheuer14 said:

dignin said:

What a macho, gun-packing Instagram star did when he was caught in the Las Vegas shooting

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/10/03/what-a-macho-gun-packing-instagram-star-did-when-he-was-caught-in-the-las-vegas-shooting/?tid=pm_pop

He is an interesting human being. But I don’t see the point you are trying to make? Guy tried to save his own life first, like most people would, and then the rest is up for debate. He said/she said all over the article. What do you want him to do?

Was there a point I was trying to make? I just posted an article that stated the facts that I found interesting.

There were hardly even facts besides that he was there. Just a writer that seems to have it out for the guy.

PJPOWER · October 2017

Concerning effective gun control:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story

“Leah Libresco is a statistician and former newswriter at FiveThirtyEight, a data journalism site. She is the author of “Arriving at Amen.”

Before I started researching gun deaths, gun-control policy used to frustrate me. I wished the National Rifle Association would stop blocking common-sense gun-control reforms such as banning assault weapons, restricting silencers, shrinking magazine sizes and all the other measures that could make guns less deadly.

Then, my colleagues and I at FiveThirtyEight spent three months analyzing all 33,000 lives ended by guns each year in the United States, and I wound up frustrated in a whole new way. We looked at what interventions might have saved those people, and the case for the policies I’d lobbied for crumbled when I examined the evidence. The best ideas left standing were narrowly tailored interventions to protect subtypes of potential victims, not broad attempts to limit the lethality of guns.

I researched the strictly tightened gun laws in Britain and Australia and concluded that they didn’t prove much about what America’s policy should be. Neither nation experienced drops in mass shootings or other gun related-crime that could be attributed to their buybacks and bans. Mass shootings were too rare in Australia for their absence after the buyback program to be clear evidence of progress. And in both Australia and Britain, the gun restrictions had an ambiguous effect on other gun-related crimes or deaths.

When I looked at the other oft-praised policies, I found out that no gun owner walks into the store to buy an “assault weapon.” It’s an invented classification that includes any semi-automatic that has two or more features, such as a bayonet mount, a rocket-propelled grenade-launcher mount, a folding stock or a pistol grip. But guns are modular, and any hobbyist can easily add these features at home, just as if they were snapping together Legos.

As for silencers — they deserve that name only in movies, where they reduce gunfire to a soft puick puick. In real life, silencers limit hearing damage for shooters but don’t make gunfire dangerously quiet. An AR-15 with a silencer is about as loud as a jackhammer. Magazine limits were a little more promising, but a practiced shooter could still change magazines so fast as to make the limit meaningless.

As my co-workers and I kept looking at the data, it seemed less and less clear that one broad gun-control restriction could make a big difference. Two-thirds of gun deaths in the United States every year are suicides. Almost no proposed restriction would make it meaningfully harder for people with guns on hand to use them. I couldn't even answer my most desperate question: If I had a friend who had guns in his home and a history of suicide attempts, was there anything I could do that would help?

However, the next-largest set of gun deaths — 1 in 5 — were young men aged 15 to 34, killed in homicides. These men were most likely to die at the hands of other young men, often related to gang loyalties or other street violence. And the last notable group of similar deaths was the 1,700 women murdered per year, usually as the result of domestic violence. Far more people were killed in these ways than in mass-shooting incidents, but few of the popularly floated policies were tailored to serve them.

By the time we published our project, I didn’t believe in many of the interventions I’d heard politicians tout. I was still anti-gun, at least from the point of view of most gun owners, and I don’t want a gun in my home, as I think the risk outweighs the benefits. But I can’t endorse policies whose only selling point is that gun owners hate them. Policies that often seem as if they were drafted by people who have encountered guns only as a figure in a briefing book or an image on the news.

Instead, I found the most hope in more narrowly tailored interventions. Potential suicide victims, women menaced by their abusive partners and kids swept up in street vendettas are all in danger from guns, but they each require different protections.

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Was the Las Vegas shooting the worst in U.S. history? It depends.

While the attack on the Las Vegas strip is the deadliest in modern American history, attacks in the 19th and 20th centuries had higher death tolls. (Victoria Walker/The Washington Post)

Older men, who make up the largest shareof gun suicides, need better access to people who could care for them and get them help. Women endangered by specific men need to be prioritized by police, who can enforce restraining orders prohibiting these men from buying and owning guns. Younger men at risk of violence need to be identified before they take a life or lose theirs and to be connected to mentors who can help them de-escalate conflicts.

Even the most data-driven practices, such as New Orleans’ plan to identify gang members for intervention based on previous arrests and weapons seizures, wind up more personal than most policies floated. The young men at risk can be identified by an algorithm, but they have to be disarmed one by one, personally — not en masse as though they were all interchangeable. A reduction in gun deaths is most likely to come from finding smaller chances for victories and expanding those solutions as much as possible. We save lives by focusing on a range of tactics to protect the different kinds of potential victims and reforming potential killers, not from sweeping bans focused on the guns themselves.”

jeffbr · October 2017

PJPOWER said:

mace1229 said:

What did you want him to do instead when they didn't even know where the bullets were coming from?

I’m with you, I really do not understand the attention this guy is getting here. He is one guy amongst 20,000 there...All that I can make of it is that people are just trying to make fun of him for not going all Rambo and getting himself killed??

I think it is just a perception thing. This guy has created an online persona that he is a Rambo type. A real hero and tough guy. So when reality hit and he tucked tail while others shielded people with their bodies, immediately helped those around them who were down, etc... it challenged this guys self-created persona. He's no superman. He had a natural urge to flee a dangerous situation, just as many of us would. He isn't the tough, badass as he likes to portray himself in his little youtube vids. Nobody has a problem with normal people who have no self-delusional hero fantasies going into self-preservation mode. I think he's only being called out because he set himself up to be.

dignin · October 2017

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

drakeheuer14 said:

dignin said:

What a macho, gun-packing Instagram star did when he was caught in the Las Vegas shooting

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/10/03/what-a-macho-gun-packing-instagram-star-did-when-he-was-caught-in-the-las-vegas-shooting/?tid=pm_pop

He is an interesting human being. But I don’t see the point you are trying to make? Guy tried to save his own life first, like most people would, and then the rest is up for debate. He said/she said all over the article. What do you want him to do?

Was there a point I was trying to make? I just posted an article that stated the facts that I found interesting.

So.....thanks for the pointless (by your own admission) post?

The post I was responding to claimed that I was trying to make a point. I shared an article with none of my words attached. Therefore I wasn't expressing a point.

If you want my opinion I will give it to you. The guy was a pretender and was exposed as one. For all the tough guy talk that we need to prepare for these mass shootings, in the end these tough guys like everyone else run and hide. Just like all the tough guys on these forums.

I'm not going to live my life in fear and paranoia, buy guns, dwell on and prepare for mass shootings. I will leave that to the gun nutters. Life is too short.

mace1229 · October 2017

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

drakeheuer14 said:

dignin said:

What a macho, gun-packing Instagram star did when he was caught in the Las Vegas shooting

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/10/03/what-a-macho-gun-packing-instagram-star-did-when-he-was-caught-in-the-las-vegas-shooting/?tid=pm_pop

He is an interesting human being. But I don’t see the point you are trying to make? Guy tried to save his own life first, like most people would, and then the rest is up for debate. He said/she said all over the article. What do you want him to do?

Was there a point I was trying to make? I just posted an article that stated the facts that I found interesting.

So.....thanks for the pointless (by your own admission) post?

The post I was responding to claimed that I was trying to make a point. I shared an article with none of my words attached. Therefore I wasn't expressing a point.

If you want my opinion I will give it to you. The guy was a pretender and was exposed as one. For all the tough guy talk that we need to prepare for these mass shootings, in the end these tough guys like everyone else run and hide. Just like all the tough guys on these forums.

I'm not going to live my life in fear and paranoia, buy guns, dwell on and prepare for mass shootings. I will leave that to the gun nutters. Life is too short.

None of your words attached? Well, thats not true.
Your exact words were "What a macho, gun-packing Instagram star did when he was caught in the Las Vegas shooting" when linking the article.
You were clearly making fun of a guy who was a victim of a mass shooting. Classy.

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