America's Gun Violence

riley540 said:

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vaggar99 said:

RYME said:

vaggar99 said:

the Second amendment argument truly bewilders me.  of course it states the right to bear arms.  but, all of us already accept many restrictions on arms (i guess its very little, but no nukes).  The First Amendment guarantees free speech.  Again, there are restrictions.  You can't go around threatening to kill people even if you are joking or whatever.  So why do so many people hide behind the 2nd A and run from any talk of gun control?  Could it be that many more people exist within the same spectrum of sociopathy as a Paddock type  than ever imagined? 

What law or laws could you pass to prevent Crazy People?  No matter what laws you pass, crazy people are going to continue to be crazy, and attempt to kill and Slaughter people.
I think that only more armed law abiding citizens can assist in stopping crazies, when the crazies are trying to commit an atrocity.
For example if you are in France, when a crazy man is driving a truck down the road running over people, maybe a law-abiding Frenchman with a concealed carry permit could've stopped the crazy guy before he continues running over more and more people.  Perhaps decreasing the number of injured and dead people from the crazy truck driver.  Just food for thought.

you can pass laws to prevent crazy people from getting weapons.  in fact, Obama did just that with a directive.  Of course, its no more.  And sure you won't stop them all, but you could probably stop/discourage more than half of them.
not going after concealed handguns either.  i'm talking assault weapons.

Hand guns are responsible for way more deaths than assault rifles. 

vaggar99 said:

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lastexitlondon said:

For me a gun is a gun. 
I still cannot understand this need to"protect" or bare arms.
Why does this seem to make a difference how many shots it can fire and how? 
One bullet is too many. Why the fuck are people shooting anyone thats a question. 
There is never a need for any human to carry a gun.
If you shoot one person or 600. All wrong. Remove the gun it can't happen.
All this bs about its not the gun its the person.come on.

the world is full of paranoid cowards.  i don't say that in a light sense.  its true though.  get to know certain types of seemingly normal people and you'll see this deep fear and insecurity that only a weapon can cure.

PJ_Soul said:

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HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't consider biology because humans are beyond that. We have largely beat nature in this context (in modern developed society). It is no longer fair to be placing humans on the same level as wild animals in this context IMO. It's the same reason you don't just go running up to whatever woman smells right and start reproducing with her on the street. We're not wild animals (anymore).
And wild animals are not comparable to domestic livestock either, IMO, just like they aren't comparable to pets. (I am not really trying to convince anyone btw - certainly not hunters; we are WAY too far apart in attitude to ever agree on this issue, lol).

how are humans beyond that? in order to get the nutrients we need, we either need to eat other animals or get them artificially. our nature is, as someone else said, ominivorous. just because we can grow meat out of petri dish doesn't mean we should. 

although, i just noticed what thread we're in. maybe we should get back to it. i don't consider hunting for food "america's gun violence". lol

I am talking about stalking prey in the wild. We are already doing more than enough to destroy nature, and if we don't have to go out there and shoot wild animals, then I don't think we should. If we weren't a bunch of parasites destroying Earth and the animals we share it with about as fast as possible, I probably would not be saying this. And if nobody got any pleasure out of hunting whatsoever I wouldn't saying it either, but nobody can claim that in developed countries the vast majority of hunting is about the sport far more than it is the food.
I am 100% not saying we shouldn't eat other animals at all, nor that I think steaks need to be made in a lab (although I wouldn't be against that if it was possible and tasted good - that would be insanely beneficial for environmental reasons and humane reasons - meat without the damage raising meat causes and without any death?? Count me in!! I have no idea why anyone would prefer to kill for meat if they could get it without killing. Surely that isn't what you meant).

Smellyman said:

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vaggar99 said:

lastexitlondon said:

For me a gun is a gun. 
I still cannot understand this need to"protect" or bare arms.
Why does this seem to make a difference how many shots it can fire and how? 
One bullet is too many. Why the fuck are people shooting anyone thats a question. 
There is never a need for any human to carry a gun.
If you shoot one person or 600. All wrong. Remove the gun it can't happen.
All this bs about its not the gun its the person.come on.

the world is full of paranoid cowards.  i don't say that in a light sense.  its true though.  get to know certain types of seemingly normal people and you'll see this deep fear and insecurity that only a weapon can cure.

and then the ones who just get off on having firepower

tempo_n_groove said:

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Smellyman said:

vaggar99 said:

lastexitlondon said:

For me a gun is a gun. 
I still cannot understand this need to"protect" or bare arms.
Why does this seem to make a difference how many shots it can fire and how? 
One bullet is too many. Why the fuck are people shooting anyone thats a question. 
There is never a need for any human to carry a gun.
If you shoot one person or 600. All wrong. Remove the gun it can't happen.
All this bs about its not the gun its the person.come on.

the world is full of paranoid cowards.  i don't say that in a light sense.  its true though.  get to know certain types of seemingly normal people and you'll see this deep fear and insecurity that only a weapon can cure.

and then the ones who just get off on having firepower

Guilty.  It's recreation for me.  I don't expect you to understand it...

dignin said:

What a macho, gun-packing Instagram star did when he was caught in the Las Vegas shooting



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2017/10/03/what-a-macho-gun-packing-instagram-star-did-when-he-was-caught-in-the-las-vegas-shooting/?tid=pm_pop

mace1229 said:

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tempo_n_groove said:

Smellyman said:

vaggar99 said:

lastexitlondon said:

For me a gun is a gun. 
I still cannot understand this need to"protect" or bare arms.
Why does this seem to make a difference how many shots it can fire and how? 
One bullet is too many. Why the fuck are people shooting anyone thats a question. 
There is never a need for any human to carry a gun.
If you shoot one person or 600. All wrong. Remove the gun it can't happen.
All this bs about its not the gun its the person.come on.

the world is full of paranoid cowards.  i don't say that in a light sense.  its true though.  get to know certain types of seemingly normal people and you'll see this deep fear and insecurity that only a weapon can cure.

and then the ones who just get off on having firepower

Guilty.  It's recreation for me.  I don't expect you to understand it...

Me too. I don't get the comments about getting off with them or compensation for something else.
Now mine are mostly .22s, and the ones that aren't are bolt or lever action,  I don't have anything that could even be modified to replicate automatic fire. I don't know why anyone who has a different hobby thinks we are getting off with it. I just ignore it and chalk it up to one of those from the party of tolerance being intolerant of anyone who has a different belief or even hobby now than they do.

PJPOWER said:

I am quite perplexed that there have been no responses to the 538 article that I posted earlier.  I know that there are some strong 538 fans around here...

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mass-shootings-are-a-bad-way-to-understand-gun-violence/
“You could, theoretically, cut down on all these deaths with a blanket removal of guns from the U.S. entirely — something that is as politically unlikely as it is legally untenable.”
There is no magic spell that is just going to make guns go away in the US, but as the article suggests, many other things could change.  The same changes that may stop a mass shooting would do little to stop other forms of gun violence.  Personally, I am a big supporter of individual responsibilities.  There are no quick fixes that are going to guarantee that this sort of thing will not happen again.  That’s reality.  That being said, what could an average person be doing on top of bitching about politics on an AMT forum?  Go to the fucking active shooter awareness classes that many cities make available for free.  They teach you to be aware of basic warning signs that could help a person recognize potentially unsafe places.  Take some basic first aid classes (even just a CPR class is better than nothing).  Learn some simple techniques for staying somewhat calm and focused during chaos.  Take a firearm safety course (whether or not you are a gun owner), that way you can educate your friends and family about firearm safety.  
Do not take this to mean that I am telling you to stop whatever fight you are trying to win in the gun debate, but think of it as supplemental education.  If saving lives is truly the main goal, then fucking learn some life saving techniques.  They may not stop a person from raining down gunfire on a bunch of people, but may save a few lives when, yes “when”, another event like this takes place.  This is stuff you could do today instead of waiting for some unlikely gun control measure to be implemented that would effectively end crazy people doing crazy things.

PJPOWER said:

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Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

I am quite perplexed that there have been no responses to the 538 article that I posted earlier.  I know that there are some strong 538 fans around here...

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mass-shootings-are-a-bad-way-to-understand-gun-violence/
“You could, theoretically, cut down on all these deaths with a blanket removal of guns from the U.S. entirely — something that is as politically unlikely as it is legally untenable.”
There is no magic spell that is just going to make guns go away in the US, but as the article suggests, many other things could change.  The same changes that may stop a mass shooting would do little to stop other forms of gun violence.  Personally, I am a big supporter of individual responsibilities.  There are no quick fixes that are going to guarantee that this sort of thing will not happen again.  That’s reality.  That being said, what could an average person be doing on top of bitching about politics on an AMT forum?  Go to the fucking active shooter awareness classes that many cities make available for free.  They teach you to be aware of basic warning signs that could help a person recognize potentially unsafe places.  Take some basic first aid classes (even just a CPR class is better than nothing).  Learn some simple techniques for staying somewhat calm and focused during chaos.  Take a firearm safety course (whether or not you are a gun owner), that way you can educate your friends and family about firearm safety.  
Do not take this to mean that I am telling you to stop whatever fight you are trying to win in the gun debate, but think of it as supplemental education.  If saving lives is truly the main goal, then fucking learn some life saving techniques.  They may not stop a person from raining down gunfire on a bunch of people, but may save a few lives when, yes “when”, another event like this takes place.  This is stuff you could do today instead of waiting for some unlikely gun control measure to be implemented that would effectively end crazy people doing crazy things.

So in other words... get used to it.

Unbelievable.

Actually it's not. You guys elected Donald Trump. If you have the collective mindset to do that... why would anyone think you'd be wise enough to solve your gun problem which is far easier than gun advocates make it out to be?

Simply put: the will to solve the problem isn't there. You guys would rather have Sandy Hooks than relinquish the opportunity to shoot machine guns at empty beer cans at the landfill.

No, do not ”get used to it” for fucks sake.  Keep trying to solve the gun problem, but the odds are that something like this will happen again before any real policies make a difference.  So *also* do your part in personally trying to be as diligent and educated as possible.  Do not be a sheep.  Unbelievable indeed...