The Official New York Yankees Thread

Cliffy6745 said:

Aaron!

McGwires record is in reach.

Playing some good ball 

74 home runs between the two of them. Insanity 

Sanchez has more home runs this season than any Yankee catcher ever. Have had a few decent ones too

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

Both of them so young too. Should be a fun few years. 

With what looks like an ace in severino, a top 3 prospect in baseball with Torres and money burning a hole in their pocket.

not to mention Frazier 

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Sanchez has more home runs this season than any Yankee catcher ever. Have had a few decent ones too

The only great hitting catcher was Berra.  Posada was average at best.

I am going to go out on a limb and say an .850 career OPS for a catcher is not average at best.

Was a different time but Howard and Munson were obviously pretty decent players themselves

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Sanchez has more home runs this season than any Yankee catcher ever. Have had a few decent ones too

The only great hitting catcher was Berra.  Posada was average at best.

I am going to go out on a limb and say an .850 career OPS for a catcher is not average at best.

Was a different time but Howard and Munson were obviously pretty decent players themselves

Munson didn't have the longevity unfortunately.  He was robbed of that.

That OPS is misleading.  He's ranked higher than Reggie Jackson, Roberto Clemente and Kirby Puckett.  

As a catcher yes, he was good.  My statement should have been "average at best for a player."  As a catcher batting he was good, so my words were poor.

Insanity to say that Posada was an average baseball player at best.  Pure insanity.

Reggie has an OPS+ of 139 to Posada's 121, so that is more accurate.

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Sanchez has more home runs this season than any Yankee catcher ever. Have had a few decent ones too

The only great hitting catcher was Berra.  Posada was average at best.

I am going to go out on a limb and say an .850 career OPS for a catcher is not average at best.

Was a different time but Howard and Munson were obviously pretty decent players themselves

Munson didn't have the longevity unfortunately.  He was robbed of that.

That OPS is misleading.  He's ranked higher than Reggie Jackson, Roberto Clemente and Kirby Puckett.  

As a catcher yes, he was good.  My statement should have been "average at best for a player."  As a catcher batting he was good, so my words were poor.

Insanity to say that Posada was an average baseball player at best.  Pure insanity.

Reggie has an OPS+ of 139 to Posada's 121, so that is more accurate.

Great players get inducted into the HOF, average players do not.  That's my bar to go by.

Come again?!?!?  So there are two types of players? Average at best and hall of famers?

Moose, average at best.
Paul O'Neill, average at best
Jimmy Key, average at best
Andy Pettitte, average at best
Bernie, average at best

Posada was a very good catcher (which is much more valuable than an average position player) and put up some solid offensive numbers for catchers.

Cliffy6745 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Sanchez has more home runs this season than any Yankee catcher ever. Have had a few decent ones too

The only great hitting catcher was Berra.  Posada was average at best.

I am going to go out on a limb and say an .850 career OPS for a catcher is not average at best.

Was a different time but Howard and Munson were obviously pretty decent players themselves

Munson didn't have the longevity unfortunately.  He was robbed of that.

That OPS is misleading.  He's ranked higher than Reggie Jackson, Roberto Clemente and Kirby Puckett.  

As a catcher yes, he was good.  My statement should have been "average at best for a player."  As a catcher batting he was good, so my words were poor.

Insanity to say that Posada was an average baseball player at best.  Pure insanity.

Reggie has an OPS+ of 139 to Posada's 121, so that is more accurate.

Great players get inducted into the HOF, average players do not.  That's my bar to go by.

Come again?!?!?  So there are two types of players? Average at best and hall of famers?

Moose, average at best.
Paul O'Neill, average at best
Jimmy Key, average at best
Andy Pettitte, average at best
Bernie, average at best

Posada was a very good catcher (which is much more valuable than an average position player) and put up some solid offensive numbers for catchers.

You can be "above average" and still be average...

All the above I'd put in the above average category.  None of which will make the HOF.  Mussina is the only one with the numbers to perhaps get into the hall.

I do think you are biased in that all these players won championships and put them on a higher pedestal?  

Paul O'Neil was fun to watch, I loved Bernie in center but they are good average players.  They aren't great.  Great for the yankees at the time?  Yes.  Great all time?  No.

The Yankees for a long time could take average players and make them seem way better than what they were.  The teams were so good at playing with one another they just gelled.  There were a whole bunch of players that did better from joining the team.