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This is going along the question that Brian asked which O think we are all missing.mcgruff10 said:
yeah but we don't go to auschwitz and see statues of himmler/hitlertempo_n_groove said:
I get it Brian, I think?brianlux said:I have failed to express myself clearly. Now there is no freakin' way they'll ever put up a statue of me.Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaughhhhhhhhhhhh!
Maybe I should join the Hanged Man.
The same way we go to Salem where they burned people at the stake.
We go to Auschwitz where they murdered millions and take selfies.
We visit Ground Zero where the worst attack on US soil occurred.
We visit Gettysburg, the Arizona, Jack the Ripper...
We choose what is perverse and what is just.
I think that's what you mean?
we don't go to ground zero and walk around and see statues or flags of the fuckers from Al Qaeda
arizona...I don't remember seeing any sort of statue for japanese soldiers0 -
America has gone mad.
Up here we have 3 or 4 guys protest a statue and they are told to go home. And they do. I remember that day, what nightmare.
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That is what I understood you to be saying.... I just feel like educating and leading by example doesn't appear to work in America, in this context. If anything, such efforts have the opposite effect; it seems to have caused people to double down and almost willingly increase their ignorance. That is why I think these recent more forceful and in-your-face oppositional methods may be the best course of action at this point.brianlux said:
No, but that's a good point to.tempo_n_groove said:
I get it Brian, I think?brianlux said:I have failed to express myself clearly. Now there is no freakin' way they'll ever put up a statue of me.Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaughhhhhhhhhhhh!
Maybe I should join the Hanged Man.
The same way we go to Salem where they burned people at the stake.
We go to Auschwitz where they murdered millions and take selfies.
We visit Ground Zero where the worst attack on US soil occurred.
We visit Gettysburg, the Arizona, Jack the Ripper...
We choose what is perverse and what is just.
I think that's what you mean?
My basic premise is that if we want to change something that we don't agree with, especially when it is something generally accepted in another locale or culture, educating and leading by example will probably make better headway than telling people they suck. Not that anyone specifically has done that here, but this a gross generalization of what I'm reading and hearing all over the news, internet, etc.
Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
I honestly wouldn't know anymore, PJ_S. We don't do much of that in this country anymore.PJ_Soul said:
That is what I understood you to be saying.... I just feel like educating and leading by example doesn't appear to work in America, in this context. If anything, such efforts have the opposite effect; it seems to have caused people to double down and almost willingly increase their ignorance. That is why I think these recent more forceful and in-your-face oppositional methods may be the best course of action at this point.brianlux said:
No, but that's a good point to.tempo_n_groove said:
I get it Brian, I think?brianlux said:I have failed to express myself clearly. Now there is no freakin' way they'll ever put up a statue of me.Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaughhhhhhhhhhhh!
Maybe I should join the Hanged Man.
The same way we go to Salem where they burned people at the stake.
We go to Auschwitz where they murdered millions and take selfies.
We visit Ground Zero where the worst attack on US soil occurred.
We visit Gettysburg, the Arizona, Jack the Ripper...
We choose what is perverse and what is just.
I think that's what you mean?
My basic premise is that if we want to change something that we don't agree with, especially when it is something generally accepted in another locale or culture, educating and leading by example will probably make better headway than telling people they suck. Not that anyone specifically has done that here, but this a gross generalization of what I'm reading and hearing all over the news, internet, etc.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I get what you're saying now Brian.brianlux said:
No, but that's a good point to.tempo_n_groove said:
I get it Brian, I think?brianlux said:I have failed to express myself clearly. Now there is no freakin' way they'll ever put up a statue of me.Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaughhhhhhhhhhhh!
Maybe I should join the Hanged Man.
The same way we go to Salem where they burned people at the stake.
We go to Auschwitz where they murdered millions and take selfies.
We visit Ground Zero where the worst attack on US soil occurred.
We visit Gettysburg, the Arizona, Jack the Ripper...
We choose what is perverse and what is just.
I think that's what you mean?
My basic premise is that if we want to change something that we don't agree with, especially when it is something generally accepted in another locale or culture, educating and leading by example will probably make better headway than telling people they suck. Not that anyone specifically has done that here, but this a gross generalization of what I'm reading and hearing all over the news, internet, etc.
In Faroe islands they hunt whales there every year as part of their culture. The Sea Shepherds were there to tell the people of Norway that "they are wrong, and you shouldn't do this". The Shepherds continually harass the locals and try and stop them from killing the pilot whales.
The Faroes people care not to hear what the Shepherds have to say and have passed laws to imprison them or anyone else that disagrees with the whaling.0 -
I see what your saying but the difference is, what Sea Shepherds does is enforce international laws pertaining to the killing of protected marine species. That is why, when they scuttled half the Iceland whaling fleet in an Icelandic harbor and Captain Paul Watson went there and said, "Arrest me", not only did they not arrest him, they gave him airfare to get the hell out of Iceland because they knew Sea Shepherd was in their legal right to halt the whaling. Statues are not illegal. If we want to go that approach, we have to outlaw statues of Confederate figures.tempo_n_groove said:
I get what you're saying now Brian.brianlux said:
No, but that's a good point to.tempo_n_groove said:
I get it Brian, I think?brianlux said:I have failed to express myself clearly. Now there is no freakin' way they'll ever put up a statue of me.Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaughhhhhhhhhhhh!
Maybe I should join the Hanged Man.
The same way we go to Salem where they burned people at the stake.
We go to Auschwitz where they murdered millions and take selfies.
We visit Ground Zero where the worst attack on US soil occurred.
We visit Gettysburg, the Arizona, Jack the Ripper...
We choose what is perverse and what is just.
I think that's what you mean?
My basic premise is that if we want to change something that we don't agree with, especially when it is something generally accepted in another locale or culture, educating and leading by example will probably make better headway than telling people they suck. Not that anyone specifically has done that here, but this a gross generalization of what I'm reading and hearing all over the news, internet, etc.
In Faroe islands they hunt whales there every year as part of their culture. The Sea Shepherds were there to tell the people of Norway that "they are wrong, and you shouldn't do this". The Shepherds continually harass the locals and try and stop them from killing the pilot whales.
The Faroes people care not to hear what the Shepherds have to say and have passed laws to imprison them or anyone else that disagrees with the whaling.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
The other thing that comes to my mind, CK, is the fallacy in Norway's thinking. Whales migrate, they don't belong to Norway.tempo_n_groove said:
I get what you're saying now Brian.brianlux said:
No, but that's a good point to.tempo_n_groove said:
I get it Brian, I think?brianlux said:I have failed to express myself clearly. Now there is no freakin' way they'll ever put up a statue of me.Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaughhhhhhhhhhhh!
Maybe I should join the Hanged Man.
The same way we go to Salem where they burned people at the stake.
We go to Auschwitz where they murdered millions and take selfies.
We visit Ground Zero where the worst attack on US soil occurred.
We visit Gettysburg, the Arizona, Jack the Ripper...
We choose what is perverse and what is just.
I think that's what you mean?
My basic premise is that if we want to change something that we don't agree with, especially when it is something generally accepted in another locale or culture, educating and leading by example will probably make better headway than telling people they suck. Not that anyone specifically has done that here, but this a gross generalization of what I'm reading and hearing all over the news, internet, etc.
In Faroe islands they hunt whales there every year as part of their culture. The Sea Shepherds were there to tell the people of Norway that "they are wrong, and you shouldn't do this". The Shepherds continually harass the locals and try and stop them from killing the pilot whales.
The Faroes people care not to hear what the Shepherds have to say and have passed laws to imprison them or anyone else that disagrees with the whaling.
Off topic, a bit but OMG, I get riled when I think about these countries that kill whales and marine mammals. Makes my blood boil!
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Brian I've never looked at it that way! Wow!brianlux said:
The other thing that comes to my mind, CK, is the fallacy in Norway's thinking. Whales migrate, they don't belong to Norway.tempo_n_groove said:
I get what you're saying now Brian.brianlux said:
No, but that's a good point to.tempo_n_groove said:
I get it Brian, I think?brianlux said:I have failed to express myself clearly. Now there is no freakin' way they'll ever put up a statue of me.Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaughhhhhhhhhhhh!
Maybe I should join the Hanged Man.
The same way we go to Salem where they burned people at the stake.
We go to Auschwitz where they murdered millions and take selfies.
We visit Ground Zero where the worst attack on US soil occurred.
We visit Gettysburg, the Arizona, Jack the Ripper...
We choose what is perverse and what is just.
I think that's what you mean?
My basic premise is that if we want to change something that we don't agree with, especially when it is something generally accepted in another locale or culture, educating and leading by example will probably make better headway than telling people they suck. Not that anyone specifically has done that here, but this a gross generalization of what I'm reading and hearing all over the news, internet, etc.
In Faroe islands they hunt whales there every year as part of their culture. The Sea Shepherds were there to tell the people of Norway that "they are wrong, and you shouldn't do this". The Shepherds continually harass the locals and try and stop them from killing the pilot whales.
The Faroes people care not to hear what the Shepherds have to say and have passed laws to imprison them or anyone else that disagrees with the whaling.
Off topic, a bit but OMG, I get riled when I think about these countries that kill whales and marine mammals. Makes my blood boil!0 -
Well, I'm just a whale lovin' fool!tempo_n_groove said:
Brian I've never looked at it that way! Wow!brianlux said:
The other thing that comes to my mind, CK, is the fallacy in Norway's thinking. Whales migrate, they don't belong to Norway.tempo_n_groove said:
I get what you're saying now Brian.brianlux said:
No, but that's a good point to.tempo_n_groove said:
I get it Brian, I think?brianlux said:I have failed to express myself clearly. Now there is no freakin' way they'll ever put up a statue of me.Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaughhhhhhhhhhhh!
Maybe I should join the Hanged Man.
The same way we go to Salem where they burned people at the stake.
We go to Auschwitz where they murdered millions and take selfies.
We visit Ground Zero where the worst attack on US soil occurred.
We visit Gettysburg, the Arizona, Jack the Ripper...
We choose what is perverse and what is just.
I think that's what you mean?
My basic premise is that if we want to change something that we don't agree with, especially when it is something generally accepted in another locale or culture, educating and leading by example will probably make better headway than telling people they suck. Not that anyone specifically has done that here, but this a gross generalization of what I'm reading and hearing all over the news, internet, etc.
In Faroe islands they hunt whales there every year as part of their culture. The Sea Shepherds were there to tell the people of Norway that "they are wrong, and you shouldn't do this". The Shepherds continually harass the locals and try and stop them from killing the pilot whales.
The Faroes people care not to hear what the Shepherds have to say and have passed laws to imprison them or anyone else that disagrees with the whaling.
Off topic, a bit but OMG, I get riled when I think about these countries that kill whales and marine mammals. Makes my blood boil!
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I am definitely not arguing for whaling (ever), but that argument applies to much of the capture fishery, too.brianlux said:
The other thing that comes to my mind, CK, is the fallacy in Norway's thinking. Whales migrate, they don't belong to Norway.tempo_n_groove said:
I get what you're saying now Brian.brianlux said:
No, but that's a good point to.tempo_n_groove said:
I get it Brian, I think?brianlux said:I have failed to express myself clearly. Now there is no freakin' way they'll ever put up a statue of me.Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaughhhhhhhhhhhh!
Maybe I should join the Hanged Man.
The same way we go to Salem where they burned people at the stake.
We go to Auschwitz where they murdered millions and take selfies.
We visit Ground Zero where the worst attack on US soil occurred.
We visit Gettysburg, the Arizona, Jack the Ripper...
We choose what is perverse and what is just.
I think that's what you mean?
My basic premise is that if we want to change something that we don't agree with, especially when it is something generally accepted in another locale or culture, educating and leading by example will probably make better headway than telling people they suck. Not that anyone specifically has done that here, but this a gross generalization of what I'm reading and hearing all over the news, internet, etc.
In Faroe islands they hunt whales there every year as part of their culture. The Sea Shepherds were there to tell the people of Norway that "they are wrong, and you shouldn't do this". The Shepherds continually harass the locals and try and stop them from killing the pilot whales.
The Faroes people care not to hear what the Shepherds have to say and have passed laws to imprison them or anyone else that disagrees with the whaling.
Off topic, a bit but OMG, I get riled when I think about these countries that kill whales and marine mammals. Makes my blood boil!my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
So true. Another reason I'm behind Sea Shepherds. They've pulled in literally miles of illegal drift netting. On a personal note, I abstain from eating anything that comes out of the ocean other than a bit of sea vegetable now and then. It would be so beneficial if the whole world voluntarily put a moratorium on ocean fishing!oftenreading said:
I am definitely not arguing for whaling (ever), but that argument applies to much of the capture fishery, too.brianlux said:
The other thing that comes to my mind, CK, is the fallacy in Norway's thinking. Whales migrate, they don't belong to Norway.tempo_n_groove said:
I get what you're saying now Brian.brianlux said:
No, but that's a good point to.tempo_n_groove said:
I get it Brian, I think?brianlux said:I have failed to express myself clearly. Now there is no freakin' way they'll ever put up a statue of me.Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaughhhhhhhhhhhh!
Maybe I should join the Hanged Man.
The same way we go to Salem where they burned people at the stake.
We go to Auschwitz where they murdered millions and take selfies.
We visit Ground Zero where the worst attack on US soil occurred.
We visit Gettysburg, the Arizona, Jack the Ripper...
We choose what is perverse and what is just.
I think that's what you mean?
My basic premise is that if we want to change something that we don't agree with, especially when it is something generally accepted in another locale or culture, educating and leading by example will probably make better headway than telling people they suck. Not that anyone specifically has done that here, but this a gross generalization of what I'm reading and hearing all over the news, internet, etc.
In Faroe islands they hunt whales there every year as part of their culture. The Sea Shepherds were there to tell the people of Norway that "they are wrong, and you shouldn't do this". The Shepherds continually harass the locals and try and stop them from killing the pilot whales.
The Faroes people care not to hear what the Shepherds have to say and have passed laws to imprison them or anyone else that disagrees with the whaling.
Off topic, a bit but OMG, I get riled when I think about these countries that kill whales and marine mammals. Makes my blood boil!
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I'm starting a new thread!brianlux said:
So true. Another reason I'm behind Sea Shepherds. They've pulled in literally miles of illegal drift netting. On a personal note, I abstain from eating anything that comes out of the ocean other than a bit of sea vegetable now and then. It would be so beneficial if the whole world voluntarily put a moratorium on ocean fishing!oftenreading said:
I am definitely not arguing for whaling (ever), but that argument applies to much of the capture fishery, too.brianlux said:
The other thing that comes to my mind, CK, is the fallacy in Norway's thinking. Whales migrate, they don't belong to Norway.tempo_n_groove said:
I get what you're saying now Brian.brianlux said:
No, but that's a good point to.tempo_n_groove said:
I get it Brian, I think?brianlux said:I have failed to express myself clearly. Now there is no freakin' way they'll ever put up a statue of me.Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaughhhhhhhhhhhh!
Maybe I should join the Hanged Man.
The same way we go to Salem where they burned people at the stake.
We go to Auschwitz where they murdered millions and take selfies.
We visit Ground Zero where the worst attack on US soil occurred.
We visit Gettysburg, the Arizona, Jack the Ripper...
We choose what is perverse and what is just.
I think that's what you mean?
My basic premise is that if we want to change something that we don't agree with, especially when it is something generally accepted in another locale or culture, educating and leading by example will probably make better headway than telling people they suck. Not that anyone specifically has done that here, but this a gross generalization of what I'm reading and hearing all over the news, internet, etc.
In Faroe islands they hunt whales there every year as part of their culture. The Sea Shepherds were there to tell the people of Norway that "they are wrong, and you shouldn't do this". The Shepherds continually harass the locals and try and stop them from killing the pilot whales.
The Faroes people care not to hear what the Shepherds have to say and have passed laws to imprison them or anyone else that disagrees with the whaling.
Off topic, a bit but OMG, I get riled when I think about these countries that kill whales and marine mammals. Makes my blood boil!0 -
The problem here is people are equating statues to history. Taking down there statues do not erase the facts of history . It will never erase the fact that the south fought a war against its own country in order to keep slavery legal. But if you want to get real technical, it was to ensure they could keep HUMAN BEINGS AS PROPERTY. Nothing can erase that.
There is no way to do this without a fight. People will get butt hurt. The funny part is that most of these people that are against taking them down probably never go out of their way to "honor" these people. Just with the confederate flag being removed from the state house. I'd be willing to bet a paycheck that less than 50 people in the last 30 years actually went to Columbia for the sole purpose of saluting the confederate flag.will myself to find a home, a home within myself
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I just saw an interview with a southern man saying he didn't consider the statues and flags symbols of racism and it was unfair for people to claim that he did because they don't know what he feels. Then he goes to make an allusion to something named after MLK JR and, oops, calls it Martin Luther Coon...stammer stammer stutter, interview over.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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he probably made the cast 105 years agorgambs said:I just saw an interview with a southern man saying he didn't consider the statues and flags symbols of racism and it was unfair for people to claim that he did because they don't know what he feels. Then he goes to make an allusion to something named after MLK JR and, oops, calls it Martin Luther Coon...stammer stammer stutter, interview over.0 -
Oh my!!!!rgambs said:I just saw an interview with a southern man saying he didn't consider the statues and flags symbols of racism and it was unfair for people to claim that he did because they don't know what he feels. Then he goes to make an allusion to something named after MLK JR and, oops, calls it Martin Luther Coon...stammer stammer stutter, interview over.
Please find the link to that!0 -
Hundred bucks says it was a deliberate faux pas.rgambs said:I just saw an interview with a southern man saying he didn't consider the statues and flags symbols of racism and it was unfair for people to claim that he did because they don't know what he feels. Then he goes to make an allusion to something named after MLK JR and, oops, calls it Martin Luther Coon...stammer stammer stutter, interview over.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
It most certainly was intentional. He tries to say under his breath "I probably shouldn't have said that." I saw it on facebook.brianlux said:
Hundred bucks says it was a deliberate faux pas.rgambs said:I just saw an interview with a southern man saying he didn't consider the statues and flags symbols of racism and it was unfair for people to claim that he did because they don't know what he feels. Then he goes to make an allusion to something named after MLK JR and, oops, calls it Martin Luther Coon...stammer stammer stutter, interview over.will myself to find a home, a home within myself
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Trap door fall!Degeneratefk said:
It most certainly was intentional. He tries to say under his breath "I probably shouldn't have said that." I saw it on facebook.brianlux said:
Hundred bucks says it was a deliberate faux pas.rgambs said:I just saw an interview with a southern man saying he didn't consider the statues and flags symbols of racism and it was unfair for people to claim that he did because they don't know what he feels. Then he goes to make an allusion to something named after MLK JR and, oops, calls it Martin Luther Coon...stammer stammer stutter, interview over.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
rgambs said:I just saw an interview with a southern man saying he didn't consider the statues and flags symbols of racism and it was unfair for people to claim that he did because they don't know what he feels. Then he goes to make an allusion to something named after MLK JR and, oops, calls it Martin Luther Coon...stammer stammer stutter, interview over.
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