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again, Brian, no one is saying "eradicate your past". Keep the statues as historical reminders in a museum or something of the like. we're saying it's not cool to have statues of men that fought a war, among other things, to preserve their right to ENSLAVE AND OWN BLACK PEOPLE. statues are there to celebrate these people. should they be celebrated? imagine being a black person in the south and having to walk past that statue every single day on your way to work. how do you think that would feel?brianlux said:OK, let's try this again. Here's the problem I have with this whole tearing down monuments and statues things. What I'm hearing is that a bunch of people from another culture (yes, us Yankees and Westerners and Canadians and whatnot are of another culture) want to go in and tell Southerners what they should do to eradicate their past. Now that might not be a bad thing if the intention is to eradicate the seething evil of racism that lies underneath what those monuments and statues stand for but does anyone think for one minute that going down there and saying, "Fuck you, we're tearing your shit down," is going to change anyone's mind about the underlying illness of racism? Come on, really?
What if someone came up to you and took something you value and replace it with what you think is right- is that going to go down well with you? No, seriously, think about it. And yeah, OK, erroneously you think this thing is cool but it's not but is some outsider beating down your door and telling you you're full of shit going to change your mind about JACK?
Let's use some sense here. This is not how you change shit. It never works. It's like many years ago when I was pissing my life away on alcohol and bad living habits and my folks were giving me shit for it. Hey, guess what, did that set me straight? How do you suppose I reacted to that? Yeah, I drank more. Groovy.
NOT!
as a WHITE CANADIAN it would disgust me. it still blows my mind that the Dukes of Hazzard had a car with the rebel flag and it was called the General Lee. Back when I watched it, I had zero idea what that meant. Friends of mine had rebel flag back patches on their jean jackets. None of us knew. It's quite surprising no adults seemed to have any issue with it back then.
no one truly believes that tearing down statues is going to eradicate racism, or even put a dent in it. but it does show future generations that past mistakes are not to be celebrated, but learned from.
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I agree! If I were black dude and had to walk past a Gen. Lee statue I would hate it. Yes, let's put them in museums.HughFreakingDillon said:
again, Brian, no one is saying "eradicate your past". Keep the statues as historical reminders in a museum or something of the like. we're saying it's not cool to have statues of men that fought a war, among other things, to preserve their right to ENSLAVE AND OWN BLACK PEOPLE. statues are there to celebrate these people. should they be celebrated? imagine being a black person in the south and having to walk past that statue every single day on your way to work. how do you think that would feel?brianlux said:OK, let's try this again. Here's the problem I have with this whole tearing down monuments and statues things. What I'm hearing is that a bunch of people from another culture (yes, us Yankees and Westerners and Canadians and whatnot are of another culture) want to go in and tell Southerners what they should do to eradicate their past. Now that might not be a bad thing if the intention is to eradicate the seething evil of racism that lies underneath what those monuments and statues stand for but does anyone think for one minute that going down there and saying, "Fuck you, we're tearing your shit down," is going to change anyone's mind about the underlying illness of racism? Come on, really?
What if someone came up to you and took something you value and replace it with what you think is right- is that going to go down well with you? No, seriously, think about it. And yeah, OK, erroneously you think this thing is cool but it's not but is some outsider beating down your door and telling you you're full of shit going to change your mind about JACK?
Let's use some sense here. This is not how you change shit. It never works. It's like many years ago when I was pissing my life away on alcohol and bad living habits and my folks were giving me shit for it. Hey, guess what, did that set me straight? How do you suppose I reacted to that? Yeah, I drank more. Groovy.
NOT!
as a WHITE CANADIAN it would disgust me. it still blows my mind that the Dukes of Hazzard had a car with the rebel flag and it was called the General Lee. Back when I watched it, I had zero idea what that meant. Friends of mine had rebel flag back patches on their jean jackets. None of us knew. It's quite surprising no adults seemed to have any issue with it back then.
no one truly believes that tearing down statues is going to eradicate racism, or even put a dent in it. but it does show future generations that past mistakes are not to be celebrated, but learned from.
OK, now to try again to explain my argument (and at this point I have to plead ineptness and stupidity because apparently I totally suck at explaining myself. Hey, I'm my own worst critic. I can deal!)
Here's an example of what I mean: I walk by an effigy of a hanged outlaw on Main Street in Placverville, California every time I go to work. The nickname for Placerville is "Hangtown". I hate that. It offends me. I would rather we had the nickname that my daughter-in-law came up with: "Heart of the Gold Country". Sweet!
So what should I do? Demand that the fuckers that like having a representation of a man dying a gruesome death by choking with a rope around his neck (barbaric!) as something that represents who we are as a town? That won't fly. Sneak in at night and cut him down? I would get caught and end up in jail. Can't do any good there. Tell the people who like having the hanged man up there that they are stupid ignorant fools? Not going to help!
No, here's what I do. EVERY single time I walk by that dude and see a tourist taking a picture of him I look up, point to him and say, "Someday, Hanged Man, you will be free!" You should see the look on peoples faces. They stop. They think.
This may not be everybody's way and I'm not suggesting all of you or any one of you in particular says nasty things to Southerners, but I do get a lot of hateful vibe here at times (I'm not looking at anyone) and I'm suggesting an alternative to going in and telling people what to do.
Is it a weak solution? Maybe. Is it worth at least considering? I don't know. Maybe no one sees what I'm getting at.
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I like this a lot, Brian. I believe in wearing your scars, and telling the stories of how you got them. I do understand both sides (removal and not), though.brianlux said:
I agree! If I were black dude and had to walk past a Gen. Lee statue I would hate it. Yes, let's put them in museums.HughFreakingDillon said:
again, Brian, no one is saying "eradicate your past". Keep the statues as historical reminders in a museum or something of the like. we're saying it's not cool to have statues of men that fought a war, among other things, to preserve their right to ENSLAVE AND OWN BLACK PEOPLE. statues are there to celebrate these people. should they be celebrated? imagine being a black person in the south and having to walk past that statue every single day on your way to work. how do you think that would feel?brianlux said:OK, let's try this again. Here's the problem I have with this whole tearing down monuments and statues things. What I'm hearing is that a bunch of people from another culture (yes, us Yankees and Westerners and Canadians and whatnot are of another culture) want to go in and tell Southerners what they should do to eradicate their past. Now that might not be a bad thing if the intention is to eradicate the seething evil of racism that lies underneath what those monuments and statues stand for but does anyone think for one minute that going down there and saying, "Fuck you, we're tearing your shit down," is going to change anyone's mind about the underlying illness of racism? Come on, really?
What if someone came up to you and took something you value and replace it with what you think is right- is that going to go down well with you? No, seriously, think about it. And yeah, OK, erroneously you think this thing is cool but it's not but is some outsider beating down your door and telling you you're full of shit going to change your mind about JACK?
Let's use some sense here. This is not how you change shit. It never works. It's like many years ago when I was pissing my life away on alcohol and bad living habits and my folks were giving me shit for it. Hey, guess what, did that set me straight? How do you suppose I reacted to that? Yeah, I drank more. Groovy.
NOT!
as a WHITE CANADIAN it would disgust me. it still blows my mind that the Dukes of Hazzard had a car with the rebel flag and it was called the General Lee. Back when I watched it, I had zero idea what that meant. Friends of mine had rebel flag back patches on their jean jackets. None of us knew. It's quite surprising no adults seemed to have any issue with it back then.
no one truly believes that tearing down statues is going to eradicate racism, or even put a dent in it. but it does show future generations that past mistakes are not to be celebrated, but learned from.
OK, now to try again to explain my argument (and at this point I have to plead ineptness and stupidity because apparently I totally suck at explaining myself. Hey, I'm my own worst critic. I can deal!)
Here's an example of what I mean: I walk by an effigy of a hanged outlaw on Main Street in Placverville, California every time I go to work. The nickname for Placerville is "Hangtown". I hate that. It offends me. I would rather we had the nickname that my daughter-in-law came up with: "Heart of the Gold Country". Sweet!
So what should I do? Demand that the fuckers that like having a representation of a man dying a gruesome death by choking with a rope around his neck (barbaric!) as something that represents who we are as a town? That won't fly. Sneak in at night and cut him down? I would get caught and end up in jail. Can't do any good there. Tell the people who like having the hanged man up there that they are stupid ignorant fools? Not going to help!
No, here's what I do. EVERY single time I walk by that dude and see a tourist taking a picture of him I look up, point to him and say, "Someday, Hanged Man, you will be free!" You should see the look on peoples faces. They stop. They think.
This may not be everybody's way and I'm not suggesting all of you or any one of you in particular says nasty things to Southerners, but I do get a lot of hateful vibe here at times (I'm not looking at anyone) and I'm suggesting an alternative to going in and telling people what to do.
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I like this a lot, Brian. I believe in wearing your scars, and telling the stories of how you got them. I do understand both sides (removal and not), though.brianlux said:
I agree! If I were black dude and had to walk past a Gen. Lee statue I would hate it. Yes, let's put them in museums.HughFreakingDillon said:
again, Brian, no one is saying "eradicate your past". Keep the statues as historical reminders in a museum or something of the like. we're saying it's not cool to have statues of men that fought a war, among other things, to preserve their right to ENSLAVE AND OWN BLACK PEOPLE. statues are there to celebrate these people. should they be celebrated? imagine being a black person in the south and having to walk past that statue every single day on your way to work. how do you think that would feel?brianlux said:OK, let's try this again. Here's the problem I have with this whole tearing down monuments and statues things. What I'm hearing is that a bunch of people from another culture (yes, us Yankees and Westerners and Canadians and whatnot are of another culture) want to go in and tell Southerners what they should do to eradicate their past. Now that might not be a bad thing if the intention is to eradicate the seething evil of racism that lies underneath what those monuments and statues stand for but does anyone think for one minute that going down there and saying, "Fuck you, we're tearing your shit down," is going to change anyone's mind about the underlying illness of racism? Come on, really?
What if someone came up to you and took something you value and replace it with what you think is right- is that going to go down well with you? No, seriously, think about it. And yeah, OK, erroneously you think this thing is cool but it's not but is some outsider beating down your door and telling you you're full of shit going to change your mind about JACK?
Let's use some sense here. This is not how you change shit. It never works. It's like many years ago when I was pissing my life away on alcohol and bad living habits and my folks were giving me shit for it. Hey, guess what, did that set me straight? How do you suppose I reacted to that? Yeah, I drank more. Groovy.
NOT!
as a WHITE CANADIAN it would disgust me. it still blows my mind that the Dukes of Hazzard had a car with the rebel flag and it was called the General Lee. Back when I watched it, I had zero idea what that meant. Friends of mine had rebel flag back patches on their jean jackets. None of us knew. It's quite surprising no adults seemed to have any issue with it back then.
no one truly believes that tearing down statues is going to eradicate racism, or even put a dent in it. but it does show future generations that past mistakes are not to be celebrated, but learned from.
OK, now to try again to explain my argument (and at this point I have to plead ineptness and stupidity because apparently I totally suck at explaining myself. Hey, I'm my own worst critic. I can deal!)
Here's an example of what I mean: I walk by an effigy of a hanged outlaw on Main Street in Placverville, California every time I go to work. The nickname for Placerville is "Hangtown". I hate that. It offends me. I would rather we had the nickname that my daughter-in-law came up with: "Heart of the Gold Country". Sweet!
So what should I do? Demand that the fuckers that like having a representation of a man dying a gruesome death by choking with a rope around his neck (barbaric!) as something that represents who we are as a town? That won't fly. Sneak in at night and cut him down? I would get caught and end up in jail. Can't do any good there. Tell the people who like having the hanged man up there that they are stupid ignorant fools? Not going to help!
No, here's what I do. EVERY single time I walk by that dude and see a tourist taking a picture of him I look up, point to him and say, "Someday, Hanged Man, you will be free!" You should see the look on peoples faces. They stop. They think.
This may not be everybody's way and I'm not suggesting all of you or any one of you in particular says nasty things to Southerners, but I do get a lot of hateful vibe here at times (I'm not looking at anyone) and I'm suggesting an alternative to going in and telling people what to do.
Is it a weak solution? Maybe. Is it worth at least considering? I don't know. Maybe no one sees what I'm getting at.
I like hearing all our stories. Even the ones I disagree with. I might be naive in thinking this, but I do believe if everybody told their story and were willing to listen the other's story (I have to become better at doing that) we might get it together.
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Good story in the Atlantic.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/growing-up-in-the-shadow-of-the-confederacy/537501/
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http://amp.usatoday.com/story/592458001/ESPN pulls announcer Robert Lee off Virginia game in reaction to Charlottesville protests
http://blog.timesunion.com/sportsmedia/former-siena-announcer-pulled-off-espn-assignment-because-of-his-name/18466/amp/
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Hahaha, truly pathetic if true...JC29856 said:slip sliding away
http://amp.usatoday.com/story/592458001/ESPN pulls announcer Robert Lee off Virginia game in reaction to Charlottesville protests
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all he has to do is add his middle initial to his stage name. as long as it's not E. or go by Bobby from now on.JC29856 said:slip sliding away
http://amp.usatoday.com/story/592458001/ESPN pulls announcer Robert Lee off Virginia game in reaction to Charlottesville protests
http://blog.timesunion.com/sportsmedia/former-siena-announcer-pulled-off-espn-assignment-because-of-his-name/18466/amp/
http://deadspin.com/welp-espn-shot-itself-in-the-dick-1798338890/amp
this really is stupid though.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Free at last, free at last, thank god almighty that you're free at last not to watch ESPN.JC29856 said:slip sliding away
http://amp.usatoday.com/story/592458001/ESPN pulls announcer Robert Lee off Virginia game in reaction to Charlottesville protests
http://blog.timesunion.com/sportsmedia/former-siena-announcer-pulled-off-espn-assignment-because-of-his-name/18466/amp/
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This is a really well written and thoughtful piece. Thanks for sharing it. This paragraph here is what I've been pining about... when the statues when up, it wasn't about the soldiers or the sacrifice, by and large. It was pushing out the last bit of Reconstruction and solidifying the South politically and culturally.tbergs said:Good story in the Atlantic.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/growing-up-in-the-shadow-of-the-confederacy/537501/
Black people have always known better. Black people were around when the statues started coming up—and some of those people are still around today. And they know the truth: Confederate statues were built in waves that corresponded to the creation of the “Solid South” and backlashes against black political power. The Nash County monument was part of the beginning of the second wave, built two years after the rise of the Second Ku Klux Klan and during a period of intensifying race riots and lynchings nationwide. As Jim Crow sub-citizens, black folks could not vote to stop the onslaught of the granite memorials, and they faced cross-burnings and lynchings for daring to speak out against the projects.
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I can't say I find your story comparable in any case Brian, but just wanted to mention that nobody is actually "telling people what to do" when they remove these stupid monuments to pro-slavery generals, unless they are forcing them to be removed from private property. I'm pretty sure that's not the case.brianlux said:
I agree! If I were black dude and had to walk past a Gen. Lee statue I would hate it. Yes, let's put them in museums.HughFreakingDillon said:
again, Brian, no one is saying "eradicate your past". Keep the statues as historical reminders in a museum or something of the like. we're saying it's not cool to have statues of men that fought a war, among other things, to preserve their right to ENSLAVE AND OWN BLACK PEOPLE. statues are there to celebrate these people. should they be celebrated? imagine being a black person in the south and having to walk past that statue every single day on your way to work. how do you think that would feel?brianlux said:OK, let's try this again. Here's the problem I have with this whole tearing down monuments and statues things. What I'm hearing is that a bunch of people from another culture (yes, us Yankees and Westerners and Canadians and whatnot are of another culture) want to go in and tell Southerners what they should do to eradicate their past. Now that might not be a bad thing if the intention is to eradicate the seething evil of racism that lies underneath what those monuments and statues stand for but does anyone think for one minute that going down there and saying, "Fuck you, we're tearing your shit down," is going to change anyone's mind about the underlying illness of racism? Come on, really?
What if someone came up to you and took something you value and replace it with what you think is right- is that going to go down well with you? No, seriously, think about it. And yeah, OK, erroneously you think this thing is cool but it's not but is some outsider beating down your door and telling you you're full of shit going to change your mind about JACK?
Let's use some sense here. This is not how you change shit. It never works. It's like many years ago when I was pissing my life away on alcohol and bad living habits and my folks were giving me shit for it. Hey, guess what, did that set me straight? How do you suppose I reacted to that? Yeah, I drank more. Groovy.
NOT!
as a WHITE CANADIAN it would disgust me. it still blows my mind that the Dukes of Hazzard had a car with the rebel flag and it was called the General Lee. Back when I watched it, I had zero idea what that meant. Friends of mine had rebel flag back patches on their jean jackets. None of us knew. It's quite surprising no adults seemed to have any issue with it back then.
no one truly believes that tearing down statues is going to eradicate racism, or even put a dent in it. but it does show future generations that past mistakes are not to be celebrated, but learned from.
OK, now to try again to explain my argument (and at this point I have to plead ineptness and stupidity because apparently I totally suck at explaining myself. Hey, I'm my own worst critic. I can deal!)
Here's an example of what I mean: I walk by an effigy of a hanged outlaw on Main Street in Placverville, California every time I go to work. The nickname for Placerville is "Hangtown". I hate that. It offends me. I would rather we had the nickname that my daughter-in-law came up with: "Heart of the Gold Country". Sweet!
So what should I do? Demand that the fuckers that like having a representation of a man dying a gruesome death by choking with a rope around his neck (barbaric!) as something that represents who we are as a town? That won't fly. Sneak in at night and cut him down? I would get caught and end up in jail. Can't do any good there. Tell the people who like having the hanged man up there that they are stupid ignorant fools? Not going to help!
No, here's what I do. EVERY single time I walk by that dude and see a tourist taking a picture of him I look up, point to him and say, "Someday, Hanged Man, you will be free!" You should see the look on peoples faces. They stop. They think.
This may not be everybody's way and I'm not suggesting all of you or any one of you in particular says nasty things to Southerners, but I do get a lot of hateful vibe here at times (I'm not looking at anyone) and I'm suggesting an alternative to going in and telling people what to do.
Is it a weak solution? Maybe. Is it worth at least considering? I don't know. Maybe no one sees what I'm getting at.
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I have failed to express myself clearly. Now there is no freakin' way they'll ever put up a statue of me.Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaughhhhhhhhhhhh!
Maybe I should join the Hanged Man.
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I think you have expressed yourself clearly Brian.
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I get it Brian, I think?brianlux said:I have failed to express myself clearly. Now there is no freakin' way they'll ever put up a statue of me.Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaughhhhhhhhhhhh!
Maybe I should join the Hanged Man.
The same way we go to Salem where they burned people at the stake.
We go to Auschwitz where they murdered millions and take selfies.
We visit Ground Zero where the worst attack on US soil occurred.
We visit Gettysburg, the Arizona, Jack the Ripper...
We choose what is perverse and what is just.
I think that's what you mean?
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This is different to me. We go to this places to remember and understand, not to revere.tempo_n_groove said:
I get it Brian, I think?brianlux said:I have failed to express myself clearly. Now there is no freakin' way they'll ever put up a statue of me.Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaughhhhhhhhhhhh!
Maybe I should join the Hanged Man.
The same way we go to Salem where they burned people at the stake.
We go to Auschwitz where they murdered millions and take selfies.
We visit Ground Zero where the worst attack on US soil occurred.
We visit Gettysburg, the Arizona, Jack the Ripper...
We choose what is perverse and what is just.
I think that's what you mean?0 -
No, but that's a good point to.tempo_n_groove said:
I get it Brian, I think?brianlux said:I have failed to express myself clearly. Now there is no freakin' way they'll ever put up a statue of me.Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaughhhhhhhhhhhh!
Maybe I should join the Hanged Man.
The same way we go to Salem where they burned people at the stake.
We go to Auschwitz where they murdered millions and take selfies.
We visit Ground Zero where the worst attack on US soil occurred.
We visit Gettysburg, the Arizona, Jack the Ripper...
We choose what is perverse and what is just.
I think that's what you mean?
My basic premise is that if we want to change something that we don't agree with, especially when it is something generally accepted in another locale or culture, educating and leading by example will probably make better headway than telling people they suck. Not that anyone specifically has done that here, but this a gross generalization of what I'm reading and hearing all over the news, internet, etc.
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yeah but we don't go to auschwitz and see statues of himmler/hitlertempo_n_groove said:
I get it Brian, I think?brianlux said:I have failed to express myself clearly. Now there is no freakin' way they'll ever put up a statue of me.Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaughhhhhhhhhhhh!
Maybe I should join the Hanged Man.
The same way we go to Salem where they burned people at the stake.
We go to Auschwitz where they murdered millions and take selfies.
We visit Ground Zero where the worst attack on US soil occurred.
We visit Gettysburg, the Arizona, Jack the Ripper...
We choose what is perverse and what is just.
I think that's what you mean?
we don't go to ground zero and walk around and see statues or flags of the fuckers from Al Qaeda
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Revere-Deep respect or admiration for.mrussel1 said:
This is different to me. We go to this places to remember and understand, not to revere.tempo_n_groove said:
I get it Brian, I think?brianlux said:I have failed to express myself clearly. Now there is no freakin' way they'll ever put up a statue of me.Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaughhhhhhhhhhhh!
Maybe I should join the Hanged Man.
The same way we go to Salem where they burned people at the stake.
We go to Auschwitz where they murdered millions and take selfies.
We visit Ground Zero where the worst attack on US soil occurred.
We visit Gettysburg, the Arizona, Jack the Ripper...
We choose what is perverse and what is just.
I think that's what you mean?
A few I listed would fall into that definition and some definitely not.
The recent confederate stories would too. Those same statues a year ago would not.0
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