Donald Trump
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Idebted?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Actually you are the one missing the point.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
You're missing the point TB. Who is supporting Nazis on here? No one. There are people on here that perceive others that do and shout at them and say their opinions and thoughts don't count. As I said Nazis and their supporters should never have a voice but just to be a normal guy and get labelled as one because I'm not going around calling everyone a Nazi is crazy.
The emboldened nazis strutted their stuff on full display. They even killed someone.
The concerned citizens of the US expected their country's leader to, at a minimum, speak to their vile nature (let alone mobilize against them). But, in typical fashion, Trump failed again: speaking vaguely to violence and essentially that both sides need to get along.
There is no 'both sides' here. There is one side that is good and there is one side that is evil. Trump couldn't speak against the 'evil' side because that side made up a decent percentage of his 'base'. That is scary... when the leader of the US is indebted to the nazis for their support of him.
Why would he want to address the alt right Nazi stuff. They would love nothing more than that. If he came out condemning it would probably make the riots worse. All those "supporter Nazis" would take to the streets in droves and the counter protesters would as well leading to more violence. And the radlibs would shout even louder saying it is Trumps fault. President Trump is not giving a voice to it at all which is what people want and he is still a monster.
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how so? if someone is indebted for support it must be of some value. Im asking for the value of the Nazi vote to Trump.HesCalledDyer said:
Missing the point again.JC29856 said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Actually you are the one missing the point.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
You're missing the point TB. Who is supporting Nazis on here? No one. There are people on here that perceive others that do and shout at them and say their opinions and thoughts don't count. As I said Nazis and their supporters should never have a voice but just to be a normal guy and get labelled as one because I'm not going around calling everyone a Nazi is crazy.
The emboldened nazis strutted their stuff on full display. They even killed someone.
The concerned citizens of the US expected their country's leader to, at a minimum, speak to their vile nature (let alone mobilize against them). But, in typical fashion, Trump failed again: speaking vaguely to violence and essentially that both sides need to get along.
There is no 'both sides' here. There is one side that is good and there is one side that is evil. Trump couldn't speak against the 'evil' side because that side made up a decent percentage of his 'base'. That is scary... when the leader of the US is indebted to the nazis for their support of him.
Just your best guess, how many Nazi votes do you think Trump received 2016? Do you think the Nazi vote pushed him over in the Nazi populated states?
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So this forum is fake news now too?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:g under p said:
Do you actually pay attention or understand what it is that you write? Jeez!PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Isn't it obvious?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Any comment from Ben Carson regarding Charlottesville? Can someone go wake him up and ask him what is like working for a racist, white nationalist? Please.
I know you would prefer to have a different President but now you've gone from disagreeing with President Trump to he's a white nationalist?
Ok. So if someone disagrees with your stance what do you consider them.
Peace
I do yes. People are starting to shut down any side of discussion on here until others agree with their stance. There is some serious suppression going on.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
your point is completely wrong though. Free speech defends the right to speech we don't like as much as the speech we do like. In the US yes those assholes have to right to speak and assemble. it's a basic tenet of our democracy. yes their message is 100% vile and disgusting, but they do have a right to promote that message. If not then who decides what speech is ok and what speech is harmful to use your term? hell just look at social media and how often someone is offended by pretty much everything these days. do you really want to go down that path where we start limiting speech by who is offended by it?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Common sense tells us what the limitations are for free speech. When speech is harmful... the brakes need to be applied.JC29856 said:
Who decides who can and cant have a voice? Sounds facist-y to meThirty Bills Unpaid said:
There is a reason for that: the recent incident is not up for discussion. Nazis and nazi supporters do not have a voice and never should have a voice.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:g under p said:
Do you actually pay attention or understand what it is that you write? Jeez!PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Isn't it obvious?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Any comment from Ben Carson regarding Charlottesville? Can someone go wake him up and ask him what is like working for a racist, white nationalist? Please.
I know you would prefer to have a different President but now you've gone from disagreeing with President Trump to he's a white nationalist?
Ok. So if someone disagrees with your stance what do you consider them.
Peace
I do yes. People are starting to shut down any side of discussion on here until others agree with their stance. There is some serious suppression going on.
Pedophiles cannot speak to the pleasures of children. They don't get a voice.
Rapists cannot speak to women deserving rape because they wear revealing clothing. They don't get a voice.
Nazis cannot speak to white supremacy because dark people are mud people. They don't get a voice.
Do you get the point?Post edited by pjhawks on0 -
BTW, the bands 2013 Charlottesville concert is one of my favorite things about this band. How about you PJFan?
I refuse to hand that over to those douchebags.
Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180 -
Thanks for lending credence to my "blurring the lines of Nazis and racists" post, well done!Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I'll lump nazis and racists together (with racists- the 'moderate' or 'mild' nazis- as a much more significant populace).JC29856 said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Actually you are the one missing the point.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
You're missing the point TB. Who is supporting Nazis on here? No one. There are people on here that perceive others that do and shout at them and say their opinions and thoughts don't count. As I said Nazis and their supporters should never have a voice but just to be a normal guy and get labelled as one because I'm not going around calling everyone a Nazi is crazy.
The emboldened nazis strutted their stuff on full display. They even killed someone.
The concerned citizens of the US expected their country's leader to, at a minimum, speak to their vile nature (let alone mobilize against them). But, in typical fashion, Trump failed again: speaking vaguely to violence and essentially that both sides need to get along.
There is no 'both sides' here. There is one side that is good and there is one side that is evil. Trump couldn't speak against the 'evil' side because that side made up a decent percentage of his 'base'. That is scary... when the leader of the US is indebted to the nazis for their support of him.
Just your best guess, how many Nazi votes do you think Trump received 2016? Do you think the Nazi vote pushed him over in the Nazi populated states?
40-50 % of his voters.
20-30% of his voters being the moronic variety.
20-30% of his voters being the greedy variety.
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Freedom of speech, yes.
Freedom to intimidate, no.Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180 -
No problem.JC29856 said:
Thanks for lending credence to my "blurring the lines of Nazis and racists" post, well done!Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I'll lump nazis and racists together (with racists- the 'moderate' or 'mild' nazis- as a much more significant populace).JC29856 said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Actually you are the one missing the point.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
You're missing the point TB. Who is supporting Nazis on here? No one. There are people on here that perceive others that do and shout at them and say their opinions and thoughts don't count. As I said Nazis and their supporters should never have a voice but just to be a normal guy and get labelled as one because I'm not going around calling everyone a Nazi is crazy.
The emboldened nazis strutted their stuff on full display. They even killed someone.
The concerned citizens of the US expected their country's leader to, at a minimum, speak to their vile nature (let alone mobilize against them). But, in typical fashion, Trump failed again: speaking vaguely to violence and essentially that both sides need to get along.
There is no 'both sides' here. There is one side that is good and there is one side that is evil. Trump couldn't speak against the 'evil' side because that side made up a decent percentage of his 'base'. That is scary... when the leader of the US is indebted to the nazis for their support of him.
Just your best guess, how many Nazi votes do you think Trump received 2016? Do you think the Nazi vote pushed him over in the Nazi populated states?
40-50 % of his voters.
20-30% of his voters being the moronic variety.
20-30% of his voters being the greedy variety.
You speak here as if one is acceptable and one isn't."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
example?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
No problem.JC29856 said:
Thanks for lending credence to my "blurring the lines of Nazis and racists" post, well done!Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I'll lump nazis and racists together (with racists- the 'moderate' or 'mild' nazis- as a much more significant populace).JC29856 said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Actually you are the one missing the point.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
You're missing the point TB. Who is supporting Nazis on here? No one. There are people on here that perceive others that do and shout at them and say their opinions and thoughts don't count. As I said Nazis and their supporters should never have a voice but just to be a normal guy and get labelled as one because I'm not going around calling everyone a Nazi is crazy.
The emboldened nazis strutted their stuff on full display. They even killed someone.
The concerned citizens of the US expected their country's leader to, at a minimum, speak to their vile nature (let alone mobilize against them). But, in typical fashion, Trump failed again: speaking vaguely to violence and essentially that both sides need to get along.
There is no 'both sides' here. There is one side that is good and there is one side that is evil. Trump couldn't speak against the 'evil' side because that side made up a decent percentage of his 'base'. That is scary... when the leader of the US is indebted to the nazis for their support of him.
Just your best guess, how many Nazi votes do you think Trump received 2016? Do you think the Nazi vote pushed him over in the Nazi populated states?
40-50 % of his voters.
20-30% of his voters being the moronic variety.
20-30% of his voters being the greedy variety.
You speak here as if one is acceptable and one isn't.
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No.pjhawks said:
your point is completely wrong though. Free speech defends the right to speech we don't like as much as the speech we do like. In the US yes those assholes have to right to speak and assemble. it's a basic tenet of our democracy. yes their message is 100% vile and disgusting, but they do have a right to promote that message. If not then who decides what speech is ok and what speech is harmful to use your term? hell just look at social media and how often someone is offended by pretty much everything these days. do you really want to go down that path where we start limiting speech by who is offended by it?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Common sense tells us what the limitations are for free speech. When speech is harmful... the brakes need to be applied.JC29856 said:
Who decides who can and cant have a voice? Sounds facist-y to meThirty Bills Unpaid said:
There is a reason for that: the recent incident is not up for discussion. Nazis and nazi supporters do not have a voice and never should have a voice.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:g under p said:
Do you actually pay attention or understand what it is that you write? Jeez!PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Isn't it obvious?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Any comment from Ben Carson regarding Charlottesville? Can someone go wake him up and ask him what is like working for a racist, white nationalist? Please.
I know you would prefer to have a different President but now you've gone from disagreeing with President Trump to he's a white nationalist?
Ok. So if someone disagrees with your stance what do you consider them.
Peace
I do yes. People are starting to shut down any side of discussion on here until others agree with their stance. There is some serious suppression going on.
Pedophiles cannot speak to the pleasures of children. They don't get a voice.
Rapists cannot speak to women deserving rape because they wear revealing clothing. They don't get a voice.
Nazis cannot speak to white supremacy because dark people are mud people. They don't get a voice.
Do you get the point?
I am saying limit speech for the damages such speech might incur."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Tiki said:BTW, the bands 2013 Charlottesville concert is one of my favorite things about this band. How about you PJFan?
I refuse to hand that over to those douchebags.
Well no shit. I don't want to be around Nazis no matter the location. They still are out there no matter how much you ignore them is what I am saying. Every now and then you will run into them. It's impossible not to they have to go somewhere. This time it happened to be Charlottesville. The location will be different next time.0 -
Free speech until someone says something a liberal disagrees with...it would seem. Then you become a racist, Nazi, Trumpito.pjhawks said:
your point is completely wrong though. Free speech defends the right to speech we don't like as much as the speech we do like. In the US yes those assholes have to right to speak and assemble. it's a basic tenet of our democracy. yes their message is 100% vile and disgusting, but they do have a right to promote that message. If not then who decides what speech is ok and what speech is harmful to use your term? hell just look at social media and how often someone is offended by pretty much everything these days.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Common sense tells us what the limitations are for free speech. When speech is harmful... the brakes need to be applied.JC29856 said:
Who decides who can and cant have a voice? Sounds facist-y to meThirty Bills Unpaid said:
There is a reason for that: the recent incident is not up for discussion. Nazis and nazi supporters do not have a voice and never should have a voice.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:g under p said:
Do you actually pay attention or understand what it is that you write? Jeez!PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Isn't it obvious?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Any comment from Ben Carson regarding Charlottesville? Can someone go wake him up and ask him what is like working for a racist, white nationalist? Please.
I know you would prefer to have a different President but now you've gone from disagreeing with President Trump to he's a white nationalist?
Ok. So if someone disagrees with your stance what do you consider them.
Peace
I do yes. People are starting to shut down any side of discussion on here until others agree with their stance. There is some serious suppression going on.
Pedophiles cannot speak to the pleasures of children. They don't get a voice.
Rapists cannot speak to women deserving rape because they wear revealing clothing. They don't get a voice.
Nazis cannot speak to white supremacy because dark people are mud people. They don't get a voice.
Do you get the point?0 -
I spoke to your post as one. 'Blurring the lines of Nazis and racists'... ? In other words, you are saying, "Cmon guys. Don't lump racists of the simple variety with extreme racists like the Nazis."JC29856 said:
example?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
No problem.JC29856 said:
Thanks for lending credence to my "blurring the lines of Nazis and racists" post, well done!Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I'll lump nazis and racists together (with racists- the 'moderate' or 'mild' nazis- as a much more significant populace).JC29856 said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Actually you are the one missing the point.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
You're missing the point TB. Who is supporting Nazis on here? No one. There are people on here that perceive others that do and shout at them and say their opinions and thoughts don't count. As I said Nazis and their supporters should never have a voice but just to be a normal guy and get labelled as one because I'm not going around calling everyone a Nazi is crazy.
The emboldened nazis strutted their stuff on full display. They even killed someone.
The concerned citizens of the US expected their country's leader to, at a minimum, speak to their vile nature (let alone mobilize against them). But, in typical fashion, Trump failed again: speaking vaguely to violence and essentially that both sides need to get along.
There is no 'both sides' here. There is one side that is good and there is one side that is evil. Trump couldn't speak against the 'evil' side because that side made up a decent percentage of his 'base'. That is scary... when the leader of the US is indebted to the nazis for their support of him.
Just your best guess, how many Nazi votes do you think Trump received 2016? Do you think the Nazi vote pushed him over in the Nazi populated states?
40-50 % of his voters.
20-30% of his voters being the moronic variety.
20-30% of his voters being the greedy variety.
You speak here as if one is acceptable and one isn't."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
I get that, and I am sympathetic to the idea that all speech should be protected.pjhawks said:
your point is completely wrong though. Free speech defends the right to speech we don't like as much as the speech we do like. In the US yes those assholes have to right to speak and assemble. it's a basic tenet of our democracy. yes their message is 100% vile and disgusting, but they do have a right to promote that message. If not then who decides what speech is ok and what speech is harmful to use your term? hell just look at social media and how often someone is offended by pretty much everything these days. do you really want to go down that path where we start limiting speech by who is offended by it?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Common sense tells us what the limitations are for free speech. When speech is harmful... the brakes need to be applied.JC29856 said:
Who decides who can and cant have a voice? Sounds facist-y to meThirty Bills Unpaid said:
There is a reason for that: the recent incident is not up for discussion. Nazis and nazi supporters do not have a voice and never should have a voice.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:g under p said:
Do you actually pay attention or understand what it is that you write? Jeez!PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Isn't it obvious?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Any comment from Ben Carson regarding Charlottesville? Can someone go wake him up and ask him what is like working for a racist, white nationalist? Please.
I know you would prefer to have a different President but now you've gone from disagreeing with President Trump to he's a white nationalist?
Ok. So if someone disagrees with your stance what do you consider them.
Peace
I do yes. People are starting to shut down any side of discussion on here until others agree with their stance. There is some serious suppression going on.
Pedophiles cannot speak to the pleasures of children. They don't get a voice.
Rapists cannot speak to women deserving rape because they wear revealing clothing. They don't get a voice.
Nazis cannot speak to white supremacy because dark people are mud people. They don't get a voice.
Do you get the point?
But in this case and others should speech that incites violence and hate be protected?0 -
Replace 'liberal' with 'decent human being' and then I think you have got it right.PJPOWER said:
Free speech until someone says something a liberal disagrees with...it would seem. Then you become a racist, Nazi, Trumpito.pjhawks said:
your point is completely wrong though. Free speech defends the right to speech we don't like as much as the speech we do like. In the US yes those assholes have to right to speak and assemble. it's a basic tenet of our democracy. yes their message is 100% vile and disgusting, but they do have a right to promote that message. If not then who decides what speech is ok and what speech is harmful to use your term? hell just look at social media and how often someone is offended by pretty much everything these days.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Common sense tells us what the limitations are for free speech. When speech is harmful... the brakes need to be applied.JC29856 said:
Who decides who can and cant have a voice? Sounds facist-y to meThirty Bills Unpaid said:
There is a reason for that: the recent incident is not up for discussion. Nazis and nazi supporters do not have a voice and never should have a voice.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:g under p said:
Do you actually pay attention or understand what it is that you write? Jeez!PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Isn't it obvious?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Any comment from Ben Carson regarding Charlottesville? Can someone go wake him up and ask him what is like working for a racist, white nationalist? Please.
I know you would prefer to have a different President but now you've gone from disagreeing with President Trump to he's a white nationalist?
Ok. So if someone disagrees with your stance what do you consider them.
Peace
I do yes. People are starting to shut down any side of discussion on here until others agree with their stance. There is some serious suppression going on.
Pedophiles cannot speak to the pleasures of children. They don't get a voice.
Rapists cannot speak to women deserving rape because they wear revealing clothing. They don't get a voice.
Nazis cannot speak to white supremacy because dark people are mud people. They don't get a voice.
Do you get the point?"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
That is this months narrative, the preceding months it was Russian.PJPOWER said:
Free speech until someone says something a liberal disagrees with...it would seem. Then you become a racist, Nazi, Trumpito.pjhawks said:
your point is completely wrong though. Free speech defends the right to speech we don't like as much as the speech we do like. In the US yes those assholes have to right to speak and assemble. it's a basic tenet of our democracy. yes their message is 100% vile and disgusting, but they do have a right to promote that message. If not then who decides what speech is ok and what speech is harmful to use your term? hell just look at social media and how often someone is offended by pretty much everything these days.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Common sense tells us what the limitations are for free speech. When speech is harmful... the brakes need to be applied.JC29856 said:
Who decides who can and cant have a voice? Sounds facist-y to meThirty Bills Unpaid said:
There is a reason for that: the recent incident is not up for discussion. Nazis and nazi supporters do not have a voice and never should have a voice.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:g under p said:
Do you actually pay attention or understand what it is that you write? Jeez!PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Isn't it obvious?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Any comment from Ben Carson regarding Charlottesville? Can someone go wake him up and ask him what is like working for a racist, white nationalist? Please.
I know you would prefer to have a different President but now you've gone from disagreeing with President Trump to he's a white nationalist?
Ok. So if someone disagrees with your stance what do you consider them.
Peace
I do yes. People are starting to shut down any side of discussion on here until others agree with their stance. There is some serious suppression going on.
Pedophiles cannot speak to the pleasures of children. They don't get a voice.
Rapists cannot speak to women deserving rape because they wear revealing clothing. They don't get a voice.
Nazis cannot speak to white supremacy because dark people are mud people. They don't get a voice.
Do you get the point?
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Well, at least the next president is full on condemning...Is he still a Trumpito Nazi?
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