How old is too young?

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

No, because weed doesn't make you insane and meth does. Doing meth or shooting heroin or smoking crack during a rock concert isn't appropriate because it fucks up the user too much and even has the potential to make them dangerous to be around or puts them at risk of ODing there. Weed, on the other hand, has no consequences like that.

Are you saying that if someone smoked a bowl near your wife in a huge arena, she would stop breathing?? So that would mean that she can't go to concerts at all, no? Since arenas tend to be pretty smoky in general during concerts, whether someone is smoking right next to you or not. How does she navigate the sidewalk? People do still smoke on the streets.

Yeah, I'm fine with people smoking a bit of weed at a rock concert. Not exactly a shocking attitude.

so am I. that wasn't the point. the point was it's not an asshole move to get security if it's to tell them about someone doing something illegal because it might be compromising their health. or for any other reason, it really makes no difference to me.  

Well, if the activity is truly compromising their health (that doesn't just mean they cough a little until the smoke is gone or whatever. it means it's an actual risk, not just some minor discomfort), then okay. I have never in my life seen or heard of that happening though. Does it ever happen? I have my doubts. It seems like a pretty unrealistic scenario.

PJ_Soul said:

JH6056 said:

PJ_Soul said:

No, because weed doesn't make you insane and meth does. Doing meth or shooting heroin or smoking crack during a rock concert isn't appropriate because it fucks up the user too much and even has the potential to make them dangerous to be around or puts them at risk of ODing there. Weed, on the other hand, has no consequences like that.

Are you saying that if someone smoked a bowl near your wife in a huge arena, she would stop breathing?? How does she navigate the sidewalk? People do still smoke on the streets.

I don't have asthma but I do have allergies and smoke absolutely affects me.  You don't see the hypocrisy in looking down on the use of one illegal substance in an enclosed setting (indoors) but because you enjoy the use of another substance that is illegal to use in the same setting, you see it as "appropriate" in your case even if it has actual health effects on others around you?  The fact that his wife might breathe in smoke on the street is a passing thing, whereas a concert can be as much as 2-4+ hours of music and that is a long damn time to be breathing in that smoke that you can't keep to yourself.

Maybe I've been to laissez-faire about smoke at shows, because if I'd known this was how entitled smokers felt to do something that they have no way of keeping to themselves and that has - where I've underestimated how much smoke there will be - made me to go urgent care, I might have called security a few times just to bite down on the attitude!  How about when you find a way to smoke in public without it going into the air around you, then we can talk about you having just as much a right to do it?  But until you can keep it to yourself, maybe don't do it in public places where it's forbidden since some part of you seems to agree that actual health and safety impacts on others should be  considered?

I never ever smoke weed at concerts. I haven't for many, many years. Even back in the day I rarely did because I was afraid security would spot me and kick me out. Is there a reason you decided that I'm a public pot smoker and all entitled and hypocritical? Do you just assume that whoever defends it does it?

You're right, you defending it made me think you do it.  If you don't, sorry for that mistake.

That said, you originally said:
"Because that's super fucking lame and would cause the smoker to suffer unfair/unbalanced consequences if someone did call security over. Especially considering there are hundreds if not thousands of people there doing it and not getting ratted out by a bad neighbor. Anyone who would call security about someone smoking weed at a rock concert is a huge asshole. That said, I'm pretty sure the person in question said they'd call security if someone next to them was smoking METH, not weed. Big difference, lol. "

So I made changes to my last post, now I guess the post below fits what you said?
I don't have asthma but I do have allergies and smoke absolutely affects me.  You don't see the hypocrisy in looking down on the use of one illegal substance in an enclosed setting (indoors) but because you enjoy the use of another substance that is illegal to use in the same setting, you see it as "appropriate" for others to do even if it has actual health effects on others around you?  The fact that his wife might breathe in smoke on the street is a passing thing, whereas a concert can be as much as 2-4+ hours of music and that is a long damn time to be breathing in that smoke that you can't keep to yourself.

And you think the fact that "hundreds if not thousands of people are doing it and not getting ratted out by a BAD neighbor" means his wife should just suck it up and deal with it is perplexing to me.  You must also not mind if hundreds of thousands of people text and drive every day in North America, and so what if it causes 100 accidents every day and a few deaths - hey, it lots of people do it, that justifies it?  Or only in certain cases like weed smoking at concerts does the larger number of people doing something illegal justify it somehow to you? Because that's what you seem to be saying.

Calling someone a "huge asshole" if they call security because they can't get the person next to them to stop smoking weed illegally indoors and due to assigned seats can't just "move away" is... perplexing.  I still want to understand in your view why the smoker has a much greater right to smoke when they can't contain their smoke and keep it out of their neighbor's nose?  

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

drakeheuer14 said:

I might call security on the people belting out every song next time. That negatively affects my hearing. 

Right?
I am regularly irritated by other people near me at concerts. I am actually physically disturbed fairly regularly by aggressive dickheads, or have to suffer some asshole who yells and screams and disturbs me the whole damn show.... but do I call security on them? No, because it's a fucking rock concert.

ok, so singing off key is the same as someone having to possibly seek medical attention because of the actions of a fellow concert goer.

makes perfect sense.   

I have never heard of someone needing medical attention because someone smoked weed near them at a concert. Also, I was not talking about people singing off key. I was talking about people physically disturbing me, like ramming into me, being pushed around, having people pushed into me, feet stepped on, elbowed, have a boot in the head, etc. That is way worse than what you're talking about and I would still never call security over for it.

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

When I was a little kid my parents like to do adult things with their adult friends and us kids stayed home with the baby sitter.  I had no problem with that and I had no interest in doing adult things with my adult parents.  So why is the current parenting generation so hung up about wanting their children to participate in adult activities?  Are they themselves having a hard time being adults?  Is it because they want to show off their kids to everyone around them?  Do they want to turn their children into miniature adults? Honestly, I don't get it. (And yes, though not a biological father, I have had parenting experience.)

live music is an adult thing now? I didn't take my daughter to a burlesque show. I took her to a rock show. 

my wife and I do plenty of adult things on our own; kids with my parents. I don't see your point at all, brian. I see narcissistic tendencies with the selfie generation and stuff like that, but I don't see any trend of parents being hung up about children participating in adult activities. examples?

when my wife was a bartender in scotland, she told me stories about how families do everything together. they go to the pub, children in tow, to a drinking establishment on fridays after work. the first time I heard that, I couldn't believe it. I thought "what horrible people these scots are!". then I realized people in north america are just so fucking uptight about everything. 

I'm not at the point, and doubtful I ever will be, of taking my kids to the pub, but to a live music event she wanted to go to? if my daughter shares my passion and begs me to go, then I'm cultivating that. 

It depends on the show and the venue.  My folks took me to see the new Christie Minstrels at an out-door family event.  No problem.  But if they had taken me at the age where my senses were still developing to a venue to see a band with ear damaging levels of sound (keep in mind is its not possible to attenuate more than 40 dBs of volume) and where a large percentage of the crowd is drunk and/or stoned and/or etc., is that I good idea?

I'm not telling anyone what they should do, but as you well know (lol) I'm not afraid to express my opinion wither.  I think it's a bad idea.

what dreams said:

It's equally bizarre to say in one post, "it's okay to expose 5 year olds to drinking and drugs because sharing Pearl Jam brings so much joy and there's drugs everywhere in my city" but then in the next post say "Don't smoke pot at a Pearl Jam show because you're choking me and my child." Which is it?

I'm saying basically the same thing. Bring your damn child if you want to. Just don't bring it near me. How I respond to your child doesn't have to make sense to you any more than your bringing the kid has to make sense to me. 

Peaceful co-existence hopefully occurs in a very large arena for everybody. So far, I've been fortunate and will hope my good luck continues.

My very best wishes to you as you create your special memories because someday you will die and you will be glad to have bonded over the one thing that can bring you and your kid together.

I must've missed it - please quote the post here where anyone said "Don't smoke near my 5 yr old".  

So far there's the "bring your kid" and "don't bring your kid cuz it crushes my weed vibe", to which someone said "I smoke weed, not at shows, and don't really care that much that others do, but really?  Your weed vibe is illegal indoors and affects others, but you think you have more of a right to smoke than I do to bring my kid who maybe visually affects you but your weed is going up everyone's actual nose?" (paraphrased of course).

But I see no one actually saying "I want to bring my kid, so don't smoke at a PJ concert".  Also, many have said many things, but I for one have not had a problem at the rock shows I've been to with excessively visible drunk or high behavior (and seen more than 1,000 concerts overall), so I also don't see everyone agreeing that bringing a young kid = exposure to really bad drunk/high behavior.  I don't assume my kid will see that when I bring kids, because I rarely see it so bad it's not ignorable at any show.  Then again, I don't go to see Guns and Roses or whoever today's version of "raucous bad boy rock" is, but of course I'd expect all kinds of debauchery at a show like that.  And nudity.

All that said though, whether I bring my kid or not, if you smoke right next to me, I will ask you not to because of my allergies.  Most people are kind and considerate and I appreciate that, I don't make a big deal out of it.  But if it was over the top, constant smoke and you didn't go somewhere else to smoke?  Ever occur to you that there's a reason that it's actually illegal in most places, i.e. because it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for you to keep it to yourself?  I won't miss a show I paid for to run to the ER just because you feel it's your right to enshroud me in a cloud of constant smoke.  Fortunately, that's almost never how bad it is.  Even at Radiohead it wasn't right near me, so I just had to go out for a lot of "fresher air breaks".    

So who said "I'm bringing my kid to PJ so don't smoke weed"?  Quote it please, cuz I don't see it... 

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

When I was a little kid my parents like to do adult things with their adult friends and us kids stayed home with the baby sitter.  I had no problem with that and I had no interest in doing adult things with my adult parents.  So why is the current parenting generation so hung up about wanting their children to participate in adult activities?  Are they themselves having a hard time being adults?  Is it because they want to show off their kids to everyone around them?  Do they want to turn their children into miniature adults? Honestly, I don't get it. (And yes, though not a biological father, I have had parenting experience.)

live music is an adult thing now? I didn't take my daughter to a burlesque show. I took her to a rock show. 

my wife and I do plenty of adult things on our own; kids with my parents. I don't see your point at all, brian. I see narcissistic tendencies with the selfie generation and stuff like that, but I don't see any trend of parents being hung up about children participating in adult activities. examples?

when my wife was a bartender in scotland, she told me stories about how families do everything together. they go to the pub, children in tow, to a drinking establishment on fridays after work. the first time I heard that, I couldn't believe it. I thought "what horrible people these scots are!". then I realized people in north america are just so fucking uptight about everything. 

I'm not at the point, and doubtful I ever will be, of taking my kids to the pub, but to a live music event she wanted to go to? if my daughter shares my passion and begs me to go, then I'm cultivating that. 

It depends on the show and the venue.  My folks took me to see the new Christie Minstrels at an out-door family event.  No problem.  But if they had taken me at the age where my senses were still developing to a venue to see a band with ear damaging levels of sound (keep in mind is its not possible to attenuate more than 40 dBs of volume) and where a large percentage of the crowd is drunk and/or stoned and/or etc., is that I good idea?

I'm not telling anyone what they should do, but as you well know (lol) I'm not afraid to express my opinion wither.  I think it's a bad idea.

Brian I've checked with 4 pediatricians officially (and several unofficially), as well as many band soundmen and musicians with young kids.  They ALL say that the earmuff/headphone ear protectors you can buy for kids do a perfectly good job at protecting hearing at US rock concerts and my kid for one, who's been at shows since she was an infant, has perfect hearing according to her pediatricians (10 yrs old now).  What is your source if you're saying that those ear protectors do not do a sufficient job of protecting young ears at US rock concerts and festivals?

Tim Simmons said:

shut it down.

Seriously. Cant please everyone when there are 5-30,000 people around. Coexist. Bring your kid. Smoke weed. Be kind. Have fun.
Just dont pee or puke on me and we are good.

This thread is an even bigger flaming pile of shit than the normal times this question gets asked every 6 months or so.

(And I was anti-kid to the concert....but if you smoke pot next to me and I dont like it...I ask you to stop and you don't?  I would have to choose to ask security to help or to perhaps pop you one in the beak.  (Btw, I have nothing against pot and it wouldn't bother me at all.  But since when does your desire to smoke trump the frigging rules about smoking in the stadium/arena and the legality of whatever you are smoking?  Damn there are some entitled mofos out there.))

drakeheuer14 said:

You took an infant to a rock show? 

Flight of the Conchords, all reserved seats in a theater.  She ate, slept, looked around, ate, slept.  Didn't wake up once between the middle of the show and the middle of the night when she always woke up to eat more (i.e. slept through rest of show, backpack carrier out to car, car seat in, ride home, car seat out, getting in bed).  We love FoTC, couldn't afford tix and a babysitter, and she sleeps like a rock so she literally seemed oblivious to where we were, as long as she had the basics.  And NO ONE was smoking weed because that theater doesn't mess around re: smoke.

And, it was less loud than a regular rock show, but it still RAWKED!  (And we knew by then she wouldn't keep taking off the ear protectors)

Glad we saw it too, they haven't toured as FoTC since until last year and we couldn't go.

JH6056 said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

When I was a little kid my parents like to do adult things with their adult friends and us kids stayed home with the baby sitter.  I had no problem with that and I had no interest in doing adult things with my adult parents.  So why is the current parenting generation so hung up about wanting their children to participate in adult activities?  Are they themselves having a hard time being adults?  Is it because they want to show off their kids to everyone around them?  Do they want to turn their children into miniature adults? Honestly, I don't get it. (And yes, though not a biological father, I have had parenting experience.)

live music is an adult thing now? I didn't take my daughter to a burlesque show. I took her to a rock show. 

my wife and I do plenty of adult things on our own; kids with my parents. I don't see your point at all, brian. I see narcissistic tendencies with the selfie generation and stuff like that, but I don't see any trend of parents being hung up about children participating in adult activities. examples?

when my wife was a bartender in scotland, she told me stories about how families do everything together. they go to the pub, children in tow, to a drinking establishment on fridays after work. the first time I heard that, I couldn't believe it. I thought "what horrible people these scots are!". then I realized people in north america are just so fucking uptight about everything. 

I'm not at the point, and doubtful I ever will be, of taking my kids to the pub, but to a live music event she wanted to go to? if my daughter shares my passion and begs me to go, then I'm cultivating that. 

It depends on the show and the venue.  My folks took me to see the new Christie Minstrels at an out-door family event.  No problem.  But if they had taken me at the age where my senses were still developing to a venue to see a band with ear damaging levels of sound (keep in mind is its not possible to attenuate more than 40 dBs of volume) and where a large percentage of the crowd is drunk and/or stoned and/or etc., is that I good idea?

I'm not telling anyone what they should do, but as you well know (lol) I'm not afraid to express my opinion wither.  I think it's a bad idea.

Brian I've checked with 4 pediatricians officially (and several unofficially), as well as many band soundmen and musicians with young kids.  They ALL say that the earmuff/headphone ear protectors you can buy for kids do a perfectly good job at protecting hearing at US rock concerts and my kid for one, who's been at shows since she was an infant, has perfect hearing according to her pediatricians (10 yrs old now).  What is your source if you're saying that those ear protectors do not do a sufficient job of protecting young ears at US rock concerts and festivals?

American Tinnitus Association (ATA).  Yes, due to my hearing damage, I'm rather  sensitive to this issue. 

I'm not telling anyone here what to do.  Just giving some food for thought.

William Shatner once said he was not sure he would survive having tinnitus (he got help and did and later went on to be a board member of ATA).

One doctor alone reported knowing 8 people who committed suicide due to tinnitus.  I was almost one of them.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Depression/tinnitus-suicide/story?id=15003057