***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***
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 Unless he wags the dog.The Juggler said:^
 Lowest approval rating of anyone other than Ford at this point in his tenure. I know it seems like it's been years but it's not even 6 months. That approval is only going to drop...09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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 Why is his base not leaving him? Two reasons, I think. First, a good chunk of them literally don't hear about much of this. The media they consume just doesn't cover it, and when things are big enough that they have to, they can spin it so it's part of the lefty witch hunt. You think everybody reads the NYT or Washington Post? Those guys are getting their news from twitter and they have no idea what they aren't hearing.OnWis97 said:
 I think this is fueling my pessimism and cynsicsm. Look at how crazy he is and he does not have like 95% disapproval. How is essentially all of his pre-election base still on board with this non-sense? How are we as a nation not collectively-embarrassed enough that we are just talking about it on the streets because this is way different than polite acceptance of opposing views. This clown is single-handedly* making a mockery of a once-revered office. He's unprofessional, un-presidential, disinterested, using the office to stroke his ego to the point of indifference to the country he's supposed to be serving. Anything else? Oh yeah, grotesquely unqualified. And, overall, as a country, we are not horrified by it. Yeah, he's polarizing but overall? Contentment. And it should just be common knowledge at the office, at the ballgame, at the gym, and anywhere else you go, that this is at best an embarrassment and at worst a legitimate threat to our future.The Juggler said:
 You may disagree with Pence on every single issue on the face of the planet, but the bottom line is he is a rational human being. The odds of him killing us all are less than that of the current dope in the Oval Office. To me, that is what matters most. Easy decision.brianlux said:Thanks for good, well thought out replies to my post on page 43. Yes, if he is convicted of crimes that warrant impeachment, then so be it. But let's make very sure that this is the case and not try to impeach him on something vague or unproven. That may prove to be difficult. Besides, under the current system, it's almost a requirement to be at least a bit crooked to make it to that level in politics. Or to almost any level for that matter, right?
 OnWis97, I beg to disagree that "over half the country" favor Trump. Look at the polls and the drop in his popularity in only 5 or 6 months.. Look at the low voter turn out. And don't forget, Clinton won more votes. And I can't prove this, but I'll bet a lot of people who voted for Trump are inwardly embarrassed to have done so but don't want to admit it. And it will only get worse.
 I still say keep him in and learn a lesson. We look so foolish to the rest of the world. And shameful.
 Look how crazy the current president is. So many important issues right now from healthcare to ISIS to N Korea and he's got his mind fixated on the host of a morning cable news show. He's fucking crazy and that is dangerous.
 *Sadly, that's not true. It's not single-handed. His team and his party are enablers and participants. SAD!
 Second, the US prides itself on the rugged-individual-beholden-to-nobody-tells-it-like-it-is ethos. This is where that leads.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0
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 This and a total disconnect from reality.oftenreading said:
 Why is his base not leaving him? Two reasons, I think. First, a good chunk of them literally don't hear about much of this. The media they consume just doesn't cover it, and when things are big enough that they have to, they can spin it so it's part of the lefty witch hunt. You think everybody reads the NYT or Washington Post? Those guys are getting their news from twitter and they have no idea what they aren't hearing.OnWis97 said:
 I think this is fueling my pessimism and cynsicsm. Look at how crazy he is and he does not have like 95% disapproval. How is essentially all of his pre-election base still on board with this non-sense? How are we as a nation not collectively-embarrassed enough that we are just talking about it on the streets because this is way different than polite acceptance of opposing views. This clown is single-handedly* making a mockery of a once-revered office. He's unprofessional, un-presidential, disinterested, using the office to stroke his ego to the point of indifference to the country he's supposed to be serving. Anything else? Oh yeah, grotesquely unqualified. And, overall, as a country, we are not horrified by it. Yeah, he's polarizing but overall? Contentment. And it should just be common knowledge at the office, at the ballgame, at the gym, and anywhere else you go, that this is at best an embarrassment and at worst a legitimate threat to our future.The Juggler said:
 You may disagree with Pence on every single issue on the face of the planet, but the bottom line is he is a rational human being. The odds of him killing us all are less than that of the current dope in the Oval Office. To me, that is what matters most. Easy decision.brianlux said:Thanks for good, well thought out replies to my post on page 43. Yes, if he is convicted of crimes that warrant impeachment, then so be it. But let's make very sure that this is the case and not try to impeach him on something vague or unproven. That may prove to be difficult. Besides, under the current system, it's almost a requirement to be at least a bit crooked to make it to that level in politics. Or to almost any level for that matter, right?
 OnWis97, I beg to disagree that "over half the country" favor Trump. Look at the polls and the drop in his popularity in only 5 or 6 months.. Look at the low voter turn out. And don't forget, Clinton won more votes. And I can't prove this, but I'll bet a lot of people who voted for Trump are inwardly embarrassed to have done so but don't want to admit it. And it will only get worse.
 I still say keep him in and learn a lesson. We look so foolish to the rest of the world. And shameful.
 Look how crazy the current president is. So many important issues right now from healthcare to ISIS to N Korea and he's got his mind fixated on the host of a morning cable news show. He's fucking crazy and that is dangerous.
 *Sadly, that's not true. It's not single-handed. His team and his party are enablers and participants. SAD!
 Second, the US prides itself on the rugged-individual-beholden-to-nobody-tells-it-like-it-is ethos. This is where that leads.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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            Amazing, isn't it? The black, Muslim, socialist, Marxist Kenyan didn't rape America or take your guns?
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 A rational man would have no problem having dinner with a woman or in a room with woman who is not his wife.The Juggler said:
 You may disagree with Pence on every single issue on the face of the planet, but the bottom line is he is a rational human being. The odds of him killing us all are less than that of the current dope in the Oval Office. To me, that is what matters most. Easy decision.brianlux said:Thanks for good, well thought out replies to my post on page 43. Yes, if he is convicted of crimes that warrant impeachment, then so be it. But let's make very sure that this is the case and not try to impeach him on something vague or unproven. That may prove to be difficult. Besides, under the current system, it's almost a requirement to be at least a bit crooked to make it to that level in politics. Or to almost any level for that matter, right?
 OnWis97, I beg to disagree that "over half the country" favor Trump. Look at the polls and the drop in his popularity in only 5 or 6 months.. Look at the low voter turn out. And don't forget, Clinton won more votes. And I can't prove this, but I'll bet a lot of people who voted for Trump are inwardly embarrassed to have done so but don't want to admit it. And it will only get worse.
 I still say keep him in and learn a lesson. We look so foolish to the rest of the world. And shameful.
 Look how crazy the current president is. So many important issues right now from healthcare to ISIS to N Korea and he's got his mind fixated on the host of a morning cable news show. He's fucking crazy and that is dangerous.
 He's just a different kind of crazy.
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 Crazy is as crazy does, Talib.Smellyman said:
 A rational man would have no problem having dinner with a woman or in a room with woman who is not his wife.The Juggler said:
 You may disagree with Pence on every single issue on the face of the planet, but the bottom line is he is a rational human being. The odds of him killing us all are less than that of the current dope in the Oval Office. To me, that is what matters most. Easy decision.brianlux said:Thanks for good, well thought out replies to my post on page 43. Yes, if he is convicted of crimes that warrant impeachment, then so be it. But let's make very sure that this is the case and not try to impeach him on something vague or unproven. That may prove to be difficult. Besides, under the current system, it's almost a requirement to be at least a bit crooked to make it to that level in politics. Or to almost any level for that matter, right?
 OnWis97, I beg to disagree that "over half the country" favor Trump. Look at the polls and the drop in his popularity in only 5 or 6 months.. Look at the low voter turn out. And don't forget, Clinton won more votes. And I can't prove this, but I'll bet a lot of people who voted for Trump are inwardly embarrassed to have done so but don't want to admit it. And it will only get worse.
 I still say keep him in and learn a lesson. We look so foolish to the rest of the world. And shameful.
 Look how crazy the current president is. So many important issues right now from healthcare to ISIS to N Korea and he's got his mind fixated on the host of a morning cable news show. He's fucking crazy and that is dangerous.
 He's just a different kind of crazy.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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            2019Let us not forget that the 25th amendment is one of many winding roads that may also lead to impeachment/resignation:
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 When Trump is extra crazy on twitter, it usually is a distraction of some sorts. This story could turn out to be pretty big.The Juggler said:Pretty big Wall Street Journal piece coming out tonight. All roads lead to Flynn... 
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 Good point.The Juggler said:
 When Trump is extra crazy on twitter, it usually is a distraction of some sorts. This story could turn out to be pretty big.The Juggler said:Pretty big Wall Street Journal piece coming out tonight. All roads lead to Flynn... 
 Smith died of unknown causes 10 days after talking to the WSJ reporter....stay tuned folks.I LOVE MUSIC.
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            2019I think people should erase any hope of the 25th amendment being used for impeachment or resignation. If you think it's hard building a collusion case impartially, imagine how difficult it would be to prove a mental instability. You can't just point to twitter and say that he's mad. That's a vote folks in the moderate world wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole politically.0
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 Trump's "repeal now, replace later" is the new "burn them all!!""You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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 Or let them eat cake.gimmesometruth27 said:we are living in the era of the Mad King
 Trump's "repeal now, replace later" is the new "burn them all!!"09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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 It is the longest of long shots in the road to impeachment. But there are many avenues.....ledvedderman said:I think people should erase any hope of the 25th amendment being used for impeachment or resignation. If you think it's hard building a collusion case impartially, imagine how difficult it would be to prove a mental instability. You can't just point to twitter and say that he's mad. That's a vote folks in the moderate world wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole politically.www.myspace.com0
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             unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Go Beavers said: unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Go Beavers said:
 Right. We're Venezuela and Greece when it's convenient to fit your views, but we're not Norway and the Netherlands when it doesn't fit.I'm not convinced Bernie would have won either. America isn't ready for that kind of progress yet. Yeah, we aren't ready to Venezuela just yet.Post edited by unsung on0
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 Now a days some people would ask if it's gluten free and would complain they're being discriminated against if it wasn't.Halifax2TheMax said:
 Or let them eat cake.gimmesometruth27 said:we are living in the era of the Mad King
 Trump's "repeal now, replace later" is the new "burn them all!!"
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             unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Lousy quote system. unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Lousy quote system.
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            2019So Trump admin now purposely putting out false documents to trick the media? Good on Maddow for doing her research...www.myspace.com0
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 Seeing how well it worked for GWB, why not? Is there any doubt that Russia meddled? Oh yea, "other countries and people." Obamahillaryberniehate and 3 million of them.The Juggler said:So Trump admin now purposely putting out false documents to trick the media? Good on Maddow for doing her research...09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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            2019SO......... you met with an influential Russian lawyer..... with ties to the Kremlin...in Trump Tower....in the middle of the campaign...in secret... to talk about......adoption?
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- 56.8K Non-Pearl Jam Discussion
- 22.2K A Moving Train
- 31.7K All Encompassing Trip
- 2.9K Technical Stuff and Help







