***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    ^
    Lowest approval rating of anyone other than Ford at this point in his tenure. I know it seems like it's been years but it's not even 6 months. That approval is only going to drop...
    Unless he wags the dog.
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  • oftenreading
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    OnWis97 said:
    brianlux said:
    Thanks for good, well thought out replies to my post on page 43.  Yes, if  he is convicted of crimes that warrant impeachment, then so be it.  But let's make very sure that this is the case and not try to impeach him on something vague or unproven.  That may prove to be difficult.  Besides, under the current system, it's almost a requirement to be at least a bit crooked to make it to that level in politics.  Or to almost any level for that matter, right?

    OnWis97, I beg to disagree that "over half the country" favor Trump. Look at the polls and the drop in his popularity in only 5 or 6 months..  Look at the low voter turn out.  And don't forget, Clinton won more votes.  And I can't prove this, but I'll bet a lot of people who voted for Trump are inwardly embarrassed to have done so but don't want to admit it.  And it will only get worse.

    I still say keep him in and learn a lesson.  We look so foolish to the rest of the world.  And shameful. 
    You may disagree with Pence on every single issue on the face of the planet, but the bottom line is he is a rational human being. The odds of him killing us all are less than that of the current dope in the Oval Office. To me, that is what matters most. Easy decision. 

    Look how crazy the current president is. So many important issues right now from healthcare to ISIS to N Korea and he's got his mind fixated on the host of a morning cable news show. He's fucking crazy and that is dangerous.
    I think this is fueling my pessimism and cynsicsm.  Look at how crazy he is and he does not have like 95% disapproval.  How is essentially all of his pre-election base still on board with this non-sense?  How are we as a nation not collectively-embarrassed enough that we are just talking about it on the streets because this is way different than polite acceptance of opposing views.  This clown is single-handedly* making a mockery of a once-revered office.  He's unprofessional, un-presidential, disinterested, using the office to stroke his ego to the point of indifference to the country he's supposed to be serving.  Anything else? Oh yeah, grotesquely unqualified.   And, overall, as a country, we are not horrified by it.  Yeah, he's polarizing but overall?  Contentment.  And it should just be common knowledge at the office, at the ballgame, at the gym, and anywhere else you go, that this is at best an embarrassment and at worst a legitimate threat to our future.

    *Sadly, that's not true.  It's not single-handed.  His team and his party are enablers and participants.  SAD!
    Why is his base not leaving him?  Two reasons, I think. First, a good chunk of them literally don't hear about much of this. The media they consume just doesn't cover it, and when things are big enough that they have to, they can spin it so it's part of the lefty witch hunt. You think everybody reads the NYT or Washington Post? Those guys are getting their news from twitter and they have no idea what they aren't hearing. 

    Second, the US prides itself on the rugged-individual-beholden-to-nobody-tells-it-like-it-is ethos. This is where that leads. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    OnWis97 said:
    brianlux said:
    Thanks for good, well thought out replies to my post on page 43.  Yes, if  he is convicted of crimes that warrant impeachment, then so be it.  But let's make very sure that this is the case and not try to impeach him on something vague or unproven.  That may prove to be difficult.  Besides, under the current system, it's almost a requirement to be at least a bit crooked to make it to that level in politics.  Or to almost any level for that matter, right?

    OnWis97, I beg to disagree that "over half the country" favor Trump. Look at the polls and the drop in his popularity in only 5 or 6 months..  Look at the low voter turn out.  And don't forget, Clinton won more votes.  And I can't prove this, but I'll bet a lot of people who voted for Trump are inwardly embarrassed to have done so but don't want to admit it.  And it will only get worse.

    I still say keep him in and learn a lesson.  We look so foolish to the rest of the world.  And shameful. 
    You may disagree with Pence on every single issue on the face of the planet, but the bottom line is he is a rational human being. The odds of him killing us all are less than that of the current dope in the Oval Office. To me, that is what matters most. Easy decision. 

    Look how crazy the current president is. So many important issues right now from healthcare to ISIS to N Korea and he's got his mind fixated on the host of a morning cable news show. He's fucking crazy and that is dangerous.
    I think this is fueling my pessimism and cynsicsm.  Look at how crazy he is and he does not have like 95% disapproval.  How is essentially all of his pre-election base still on board with this non-sense?  How are we as a nation not collectively-embarrassed enough that we are just talking about it on the streets because this is way different than polite acceptance of opposing views.  This clown is single-handedly* making a mockery of a once-revered office.  He's unprofessional, un-presidential, disinterested, using the office to stroke his ego to the point of indifference to the country he's supposed to be serving.  Anything else? Oh yeah, grotesquely unqualified.   And, overall, as a country, we are not horrified by it.  Yeah, he's polarizing but overall?  Contentment.  And it should just be common knowledge at the office, at the ballgame, at the gym, and anywhere else you go, that this is at best an embarrassment and at worst a legitimate threat to our future.

    *Sadly, that's not true.  It's not single-handed.  His team and his party are enablers and participants.  SAD!
    Why is his base not leaving him?  Two reasons, I think. First, a good chunk of them literally don't hear about much of this. The media they consume just doesn't cover it, and when things are big enough that they have to, they can spin it so it's part of the lefty witch hunt. You think everybody reads the NYT or Washington Post? Those guys are getting their news from twitter and they have no idea what they aren't hearing. 

    Second, the US prides itself on the rugged-individual-beholden-to-nobody-tells-it-like-it-is ethos. This is where that leads. 
    This and a total disconnect from reality.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Amazing, isn't it? The black, Muslim, socialist, Marxist Kenyan didn't rape America or take your guns? 

    https://m.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/11/1619079/-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-Arrests-and-Convictions-A-Warning-for-Trump-Appointees

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  • Smellyman
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    brianlux said:
    Thanks for good, well thought out replies to my post on page 43.  Yes, if  he is convicted of crimes that warrant impeachment, then so be it.  But let's make very sure that this is the case and not try to impeach him on something vague or unproven.  That may prove to be difficult.  Besides, under the current system, it's almost a requirement to be at least a bit crooked to make it to that level in politics.  Or to almost any level for that matter, right?

    OnWis97, I beg to disagree that "over half the country" favor Trump. Look at the polls and the drop in his popularity in only 5 or 6 months..  Look at the low voter turn out.  And don't forget, Clinton won more votes.  And I can't prove this, but I'll bet a lot of people who voted for Trump are inwardly embarrassed to have done so but don't want to admit it.  And it will only get worse.

    I still say keep him in and learn a lesson.  We look so foolish to the rest of the world.  And shameful. 
    You may disagree with Pence on every single issue on the face of the planet, but the bottom line is he is a rational human being. The odds of him killing us all are less than that of the current dope in the Oval Office. To me, that is what matters most. Easy decision. 

    Look how crazy the current president is. So many important issues right now from healthcare to ISIS to N Korea and he's got his mind fixated on the host of a morning cable news show. He's fucking crazy and that is dangerous.
    A rational man would have no problem having dinner with a woman or in a room with woman who is not his wife.

    He's just a different kind of crazy.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Smellyman said:
    brianlux said:
    Thanks for good, well thought out replies to my post on page 43.  Yes, if  he is convicted of crimes that warrant impeachment, then so be it.  But let's make very sure that this is the case and not try to impeach him on something vague or unproven.  That may prove to be difficult.  Besides, under the current system, it's almost a requirement to be at least a bit crooked to make it to that level in politics.  Or to almost any level for that matter, right?

    OnWis97, I beg to disagree that "over half the country" favor Trump. Look at the polls and the drop in his popularity in only 5 or 6 months..  Look at the low voter turn out.  And don't forget, Clinton won more votes.  And I can't prove this, but I'll bet a lot of people who voted for Trump are inwardly embarrassed to have done so but don't want to admit it.  And it will only get worse.

    I still say keep him in and learn a lesson.  We look so foolish to the rest of the world.  And shameful. 
    You may disagree with Pence on every single issue on the face of the planet, but the bottom line is he is a rational human being. The odds of him killing us all are less than that of the current dope in the Oval Office. To me, that is what matters most. Easy decision. 

    Look how crazy the current president is. So many important issues right now from healthcare to ISIS to N Korea and he's got his mind fixated on the host of a morning cable news show. He's fucking crazy and that is dangerous.
    A rational man would have no problem having dinner with a woman or in a room with woman who is not his wife.

    He's just a different kind of crazy.
    Crazy is as crazy does, Talib.
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  • The Juggler
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    Let us not forget that the 25th amendment is one of many winding roads that may also lead to impeachment/resignation:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4655964/Democrats-lay-foundation-remove-Trump-mental-grounds.html
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
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    Pretty big Wall Street Journal piece coming out tonight.


    All roads lead to Flynn...

    When Trump is extra crazy on twitter, it usually is a distraction of some sorts. This story could turn out to be pretty big. 

    Smith died of unknown causes 10 days after talking to the WSJ reporter....stay tuned folks. 
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  • mfc2006
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    Pretty big Wall Street Journal piece coming out tonight.


    All roads lead to Flynn...

    When Trump is extra crazy on twitter, it usually is a distraction of some sorts. This story could turn out to be pretty big. 

    Smith died of unknown causes 10 days after talking to the WSJ reporter....stay tuned folks. 
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
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    I think people should erase any hope of the 25th amendment being used for impeachment or resignation. If you think it's hard building a collusion case impartially, imagine how difficult it would be to prove a mental instability. You can't just point to twitter and say that he's mad. That's a vote folks in the moderate world wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole politically. 
  • gimmesometruth27
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    we are living in the era of the Mad King

    Trump's "repeal now, replace later" is the new "burn them all!!"
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    we are living in the era of the Mad King

    Trump's "repeal now, replace later" is the new "burn them all!!"
    Or let them eat cake.
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  • The Juggler
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    I think people should erase any hope of the 25th amendment being used for impeachment or resignation. If you think it's hard building a collusion case impartially, imagine how difficult it would be to prove a mental instability. You can't just point to twitter and say that he's mad. That's a vote folks in the moderate world wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole politically. 
    It is the longest of long shots in the road to impeachment. But there are many avenues.....
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    edited July 2017
    I'm not convinced Bernie would have won either. America isn't ready for that kind of progress yet.
    Yeah, we aren't ready to Venezuela just yet.
    Right. We're Venezuela and Greece when it's convenient to fit your views, but we're not Norway and the Netherlands when it doesn't fit.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
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    edited July 2017
    we are living in the era of the Mad King

    Trump's "repeal now, replace later" is the new "burn them all!!"
    Or let them eat cake.
    Now a days some people would ask if it's gluten free and would complain they're being discriminated against if it wasn't.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Lousy quote system.

    Thanks for agreeing with another of my points.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
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    So Trump admin now purposely putting out false documents to trick the media? Good on Maddow for doing her research...
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    So Trump admin now purposely putting out false documents to trick the media? Good on Maddow for doing her research...
    Seeing how well it worked for GWB, why not? Is there any doubt that Russia meddled? Oh yea, "other countries and people." Obamahillaryberniehate and 3 million of them.
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  • The Juggler
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    SO......... you met with an influential Russian lawyer..... with ties to the Kremlin...in Trump Tower....in the middle of the campaign...in secret... to talk about......adoption?


    Got it.

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