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benjs · February 2017

polaris_x said:

mrussel1 said:

polaris_x said:

mrussel1 said:

polaris_x said:
only sanders, turner or gabbard could beat trump ... but their biggest fight will be with the establishment ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/only-bernie-sanders-nina-turner-and-tulsi-gabbard_us_589d883ae4b080bf74f03ae9
Yes of course. Run Nina Turner who managed to lose the Sec'y of state race in Ohio by a slim 25 points. Good idea H.A. Goodman. He is quite the political strategist. The only race she ever won was run unopposed.
Well ... running unopposed could be related to her strength as a candidate ... in any case - the point of the article was that in order for the dems to beat trump in 4 years - they will have to move to the left ... any "moderate" ticket will lose ...
I guess you could say strength. She's from east Cleveland. If you know Cleveland (it's where I grew up) you'll know the east side is very Afircan-American and Democratic. So a Republican has no chance of winning in that district. But it is certainly not representative of the rest of the state (or our country).
But I don't think it's a wise political strategy to make the center right and center choose between which policies they are more scared about.

I understand the point of the article. I just think HA Goodman is a hack and have thought that since he started writing for the PD. No one is happier than him that Trump is in the White House. Bernie won't run because he's too old (I think...). But he could win. These are two do not have the gravitas for the job at this point. Not in the least.
i think the notion of having the gravitas for the job has been essentially blown out of the water with the election of Trump and to a lesser degree George W Bush ... i do think that they would never get very far based on the current make up of the democratic party ... tulsi gabbard's trip to syria and her subsequent call to not arm terrorists is not something the rest of the party is that interested in taking up ...

I think the DNC has two faces right now: the populist humanitarian movement as was represented by Sanders, and the status quo corporate-political agenda as was represented by Clinton. I honestly don't know that the DNC can succeed again until they lose one of these faces - otherwise, part of their essence will always alienate a significant segment of their potential voters, who are coming to a decision based on having ideals aligned with either (but not both) Sanders or Clinton.

mrussel1 · February 2017

benjs said:

polaris_x said:

mrussel1 said:

polaris_x said:

mrussel1 said:

polaris_x said:
only sanders, turner or gabbard could beat trump ... but their biggest fight will be with the establishment ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/only-bernie-sanders-nina-turner-and-tulsi-gabbard_us_589d883ae4b080bf74f03ae9
Yes of course. Run Nina Turner who managed to lose the Sec'y of state race in Ohio by a slim 25 points. Good idea H.A. Goodman. He is quite the political strategist. The only race she ever won was run unopposed.
Well ... running unopposed could be related to her strength as a candidate ... in any case - the point of the article was that in order for the dems to beat trump in 4 years - they will have to move to the left ... any "moderate" ticket will lose ...
I guess you could say strength. She's from east Cleveland. If you know Cleveland (it's where I grew up) you'll know the east side is very Afircan-American and Democratic. So a Republican has no chance of winning in that district. But it is certainly not representative of the rest of the state (or our country).
But I don't think it's a wise political strategy to make the center right and center choose between which policies they are more scared about.

I understand the point of the article. I just think HA Goodman is a hack and have thought that since he started writing for the PD. No one is happier than him that Trump is in the White House. Bernie won't run because he's too old (I think...). But he could win. These are two do not have the gravitas for the job at this point. Not in the least.
i think the notion of having the gravitas for the job has been essentially blown out of the water with the election of Trump and to a lesser degree George W Bush ... i do think that they would never get very far based on the current make up of the democratic party ... tulsi gabbard's trip to syria and her subsequent call to not arm terrorists is not something the rest of the party is that interested in taking up ...
I think the DNC has two faces right now: the populist humanitarian movement as was represented by Sanders, and the status quo corporate-political agenda as was represented by Clinton. I honestly don't know that the DNC can succeed again until they lose one of these faces - otherwise, part of their essence will always alienate a significant segment of their potential voters, who are coming to a decision based on having ideals aligned with either (but not both) Sanders or Clinton.

The problem is that you have a lot people on the coasts (I mean... a lot) that have good corporate jobs but are inclined to vote Democratic because of the social issues in particular. Remember that over half of the jobs in the US are corporate jobs. And they believe in universal health, progressive income tax, and lots of other economically moderate positions. But if Democrats start advocating for 40% tax rate for people who make more than 150k (which is not rich in Chicago, NY, LA, SF, DC), then they will go poof... gone. And so will the Dems chances in general elections.

So maybe you're right, but that's a game of chicken right there.

BS44325 · February 2017

You should listen to your friend Billy Zane...he's a cool dude.

http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/319131-webb-dem-party-has-moved-very-far-to-the-left

benjs · February 2017

BS44325 said:
You should listen to your friend Billy Zane...he's a cool dude.

http://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/319131-webb-dem-party-has-moved-very-far-to-the-left

I don't think the problem is that the party has moved to the left; I think it's that when you have some party members speaking as ideologues and others showing further commitment to the neoliberal regime, both hit a brick wall, as either segment is seen as disingenuous while the others exist, and alienates those with allegiance to the DNC for their commitment towards one of either idealism, or the corporate-political alliance.

Kat · March 2017

Came across this, haven't had a chance to read it yet.

While Trump Was Dominating In Deep-Red Oklahoma, This Democrat Won A Landslide
Now Joe Maxwell is urging his party not to give up on rural America.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democratic-party-future-rural_us_58b7089ee4b019d36d0fecb4?

PJPOWER · March 2017

Kat said:
Came across this, haven't had a chance to read it yet.

While Trump Was Dominating In Deep-Red Oklahoma, This Democrat Won A Landslide
Now Joe Maxwell is urging his party not to give up on rural America.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democratic-party-future-rural_us_58b7089ee4b019d36d0fecb4?

That was actually a great article! I've said it time and time again, the democrat's that ignore or give the finger to rural America are bound for failure. The "fuck those rednecks" mentality that I have seen from a lot of liberals (including a few here) is not going to help you win their vote...but will instead just create rallied opposition.

HughFreakingDillon · March 2017

PJPOWER said:

Kat said:
Came across this, haven't had a chance to read it yet.

While Trump Was Dominating In Deep-Red Oklahoma, This Democrat Won A Landslide
Now Joe Maxwell is urging his party not to give up on rural America.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democratic-party-future-rural_us_58b7089ee4b019d36d0fecb4?

That was actually a great article! I've said it time and time again, the democrat's that ignore or give the finger to rural America are bound for failure. The "fuck those rednecks" mentality that I have seen from a lot of liberals (including a few here) is not going to help you win their vote...but will instead just create rallied opposition.

but how do democrats/progressives win over the people who are always going to be on the losing end of progress? it's a losing battle. it's why the republican battle cry is always "we're going to bring back jobs to (insert outdated industry here) to middle america!" to get those votes, and no matter how many times they lie about it, these people keep believing it will eventually happen, because they are either unwilling or unable to move on to something current. what the dem party needs to do is figure out how to ignite the voting fire into the 60% of non-voters.

benjs · March 2017

PJPOWER said:

Kat said:
Came across this, haven't had a chance to read it yet.

While Trump Was Dominating In Deep-Red Oklahoma, This Democrat Won A Landslide
Now Joe Maxwell is urging his party not to give up on rural America.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democratic-party-future-rural_us_58b7089ee4b019d36d0fecb4?

That was actually a great article! I've said it time and time again, the democrat's that ignore or give the finger to rural America are bound for failure. The "fuck those rednecks" mentality that I have seen from a lot of liberals (including a few here) is not going to help you win their vote...but will instead just create rallied opposition.

Another take, though greatly embellished for a humorous take.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

Kat · March 2017

I want to see more of this. The Dem party was always about jobs and it's the most important issue imho. They should all be jumping on this.

Bernie Sanders Has A Plan To Win Back Trump Voters
The Vermont senator says the Democratic Party has shown “enormous neglect” resulting in “an ultimate failure.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-voters_us_58c1ac90e4b054a0ea68fa17?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

rgambs · March 2017

PJPOWER said:

Kat said:
Came across this, haven't had a chance to read it yet.

While Trump Was Dominating In Deep-Red Oklahoma, This Democrat Won A Landslide
Now Joe Maxwell is urging his party not to give up on rural America.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democratic-party-future-rural_us_58b7089ee4b019d36d0fecb4?

That was actually a great article! I've said it time and time again, the democrat's that ignore or give the finger to rural America are bound for failure. The "fuck those rednecks" mentality that I have seen from a lot of liberals (including a few here) is not going to help you win their vote...but will instead just create rallied opposition.

I live deep in the ruralz, and I say fuck those rednecks all the time lol

JC29856 · June 2017

True progressive democrats killing any chance of single payer nationally...instead its RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA!
Bought and paid for by health ins companies and big pharma! If it cant pass Cali it cant pass anywhere!!!
Remind me again which state Hillary garnered the most votes?

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/27/california-scheming-democrats-betray-single-payer-again/

Nothing better illustrates the political bankruptcy of the Democratic Party—for all progressive intents and purposes—than California State Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon’s announcement on Friday afternoon that he was going to put a “hold” on the single-payer health care bill (SB 562) for the state, effectively killing its passage for at least the year.

The Democratic Party finds itself in a bind in California. They hold the governorship and a supermajority in both houses of the legislature, so they can pass any bill they want. SB 562 had passed the Senate 23-14.

There was enormous enthusiasm among California progressive activists, who, with organizations like Campaign for a Healthy California (CHC,) and the National Nurses United (NNU,) and the California Nurses Association (CNA) were working tirelessly, and hopeful of success.

JC29856 · June 2017

.............Thus unfolds the typical Democratic strategy: Make all kinds of progressive noises and cast all kinds of progressive votes, while carefully managing the process so that the legislation the putatively progressives putatively support never gets enacted. Usually, they blame Republican obstructionism, and there certainly is enough of that, and where there is, it provides a convenient way for Democrat legislator to “support” legislation they know will be blocked and wouldn’t really enact themselves if they could.

In the California case, the dissembling is obvious. The Republicans can’t be blamed. The only thing standing in the way of single-payer in California is the Democratic Party. As it was on the national level in 2009, when Obama and the Democrats could have passed any healthcare bill they wanted, just as they passed the Republican-inspired, gift to the for-profit health insurance industry, the ACA—without a single Republican vote. It was true-believing capitalist Democrats like Max Baucus, led by Obama and his sidekick Rahm Emanuel (who called leftists “fucking retarded”) who arrested single-payer activists (including doctors) in order to prevent single-payer from even being considered. It was they who strong-armed reluctant Democratic legislators, who had signed an oath not to do so, into passing a bill that leaves 28 million Americans without health insurance, and forces the rest into plans whose premiums rise and networks of coverage shrink every year.

JC29856 · June 2017

Climbing on a mountain
Floating out on the sea
Far from lights of a city
The elements, they speak to me

Whispering that life
Existed long before greed
Balancing the world
On its knee

Don't see some men as 1/2 empty
See them 1/2 full of shit
Thinking that we're all but slaves
There ain't gonna be

No middle anymore
It's been said before
The haves be having more
Yet still bored

Won't someone save?
Won't someone save...
The world?

As it was on the national level in 2009, when Obama and the Democrats could have passed any healthcare bill they wanted, just as they passed the Republican-inspired, gift to the for-profit health insurance industry, the ACA—without a single Republican vote.

PJPOWER · June 2017

rgambs said:

Came across this, haven't had a chance to read it yet. While Trump Was Dominating In Deep-Red Oklahoma, This Democrat Won A Landslide Now Joe Maxwell is urging his party not to give up on rural America. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democratic-party-future-rural_us_58b7089ee4b019d36d0fecb4?
That was actually a great article! I've said it time and time again, the democrat's that ignore or give the finger to rural America are bound for failure. The "fuck those rednecks" mentality that I have seen from a lot of liberals (including a few here) is not going to help you win their vote...but will instead just create rallied opposition.
I live deep in the ruralz, and I say fuck those rednecks all the time lol

So do I, but I generally direct it towards specific individuals, not entire demographics of voters.

CM189191 · June 2017

JC29856 said:

True progressive democrats killing any chance of single payer nationally...instead its RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA!
Bought and paid for by health ins companies and big pharma! If it cant pass Cali it cant pass anywhere!!!
Remind me again which state Hillary garnered the most votes?

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/27/california-scheming-democrats-betray-single-payer-again/
Nothing better illustrates the political bankruptcy of the Democratic Party—for all progressive intents and purposes—than California State Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon’s announcement on Friday afternoon that he was going to put a “hold” on the single-payer health care bill (SB 562) for the state, effectively killing its passage for at least the year.

The Democratic Party finds itself in a bind in California. They hold the governorship and a supermajority in both houses of the legislature, so they can pass any bill they want. SB 562 had passed the Senate 23-14.
There was enormous enthusiasm among California progressive activists, who, with organizations like Campaign for a Healthy California (CHC,) and the National Nurses United (NNU,) and the California Nurses Association (CNA) were working tirelessly, and hopeful of success.

Meanwhile, right leaning states continue to lead the way in health care cost reduction, access, and quality with their innovative policies.

2016 data, couldn't get the pictures to embed so nicely, but not much has changed

JC29856 · June 2017

CM189191 said:

JC29856 said:

True progressive democrats killing any chance of single payer nationally...instead its RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA!
Bought and paid for by health ins companies and big pharma! If it cant pass Cali it cant pass anywhere!!!
Remind me again which state Hillary garnered the most votes?

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/27/california-scheming-democrats-betray-single-payer-again/
Nothing better illustrates the political bankruptcy of the Democratic Party—for all progressive intents and purposes—than California State Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon’s announcement on Friday afternoon that he was going to put a “hold” on the single-payer health care bill (SB 562) for the state, effectively killing its passage for at least the year.

The Democratic Party finds itself in a bind in California. They hold the governorship and a supermajority in both houses of the legislature, so they can pass any bill they want. SB 562 had passed the Senate 23-14.
There was enormous enthusiasm among California progressive activists, who, with organizations like Campaign for a Healthy California (CHC,) and the National Nurses United (NNU,) and the California Nurses Association (CNA) were working tirelessly, and hopeful of success.

Meanwhile, right leaning states continue to lead the way in health care cost reduction, access, and quality with their innovative policies.

2016 data, couldn't get the pictures to embed so nicely, but not much has changed

it's all about the stache!

JC29856 · June 2017

iron stache is the Democratic party gravy train...all aboard! but what does he stand for?

JC29856 · June 2017

California progressives.

California Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon shelved for the year SB562, which intends to establish a state single payer health care system, he’s been subject to mass protests and even death threats. The bill’s chief backers, including the California Nurses Association and the Bernie Sanders-affiliated Our Revolution, angrily point to Rendon as the main roadblock to truly universal health care.

They’re completely wrong. What’s more, they know they’re wrong. They’re perfectly aware that SB562 is a shell bill that cannot become law without a ballot measure approved by voters. Rather than committing to raising the millions of dollars that would be needed to overcome special interests and pass that initiative, they would, apparently, rather deceive their supporters, hiding the realities of California’s woeful political structure in favor of a morality play designed to advance careers and aggrandize power.

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/30/california-single-payer-organizers-are-deceiving-their-supporters-its-time-to-stop/

JC29856 · July 2017

spineless sellouts and moral compasses

https://newrepublic.com/article/143650/killed-single-payer-california

JC29856 · July 2017

https://youtu.be/PH9joDDp-7A

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