Obamacare is a mess

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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    From the POTUS page....

    https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/863159634814787586
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    From the POTUS page....

    https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/863159634814787586
    Why is Trump letting all these insurers pull out of ACA?  He should just call them and tell them to stay like he did with Carrier and Ford.  Such weak negotiating skills, bad!
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Kunstler's Friday blog really nailed the health care crisis right on the head.  Worth checking out:

    http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/rain-dance/

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,159
    that senate bill is a MESS.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,229
    mace1229 said:
    I used to hate Costco too, thinking the same thing. But not everything is in bulk, and some stuff that is is still worth it. And sometimes others the bulk is just buying 3 normal sized jars wrapped together, so if you have room in the pantry its worth it.
    We caved in and decided it was worth the membership for the dog food alone, best quality at a really good price.
    Then we had our first kid and buy pretty much anything kid related (diapers, wipes) and all our detergent there too. No problem buying those in bulk.
    Their meat is really good too, I got tired of being grossed out with supermarket steaks and beef, and they have great meat there. It is usually in bulk, but its easily frozen. 83% fat free beef there is cheaper than 70% at the grocery store, you just have to buy 6 lbs at a time.
    Dairy is awesome, the 5 lb block of cheese is the literally same price as the 2 lb block at the grocery store, so we just freeze half a block when we buy it.
    Lots of random tools or yard supplies that are good deals too. Carry camping gear, summer toys, and tons of other things too than just the giant bag of chips that I used to associate it with.
    I thought I'd hate it when we joined about 3 years ago, but I like it more and more. I think they give trial memberships, I think its totally worth giving it a shot.
    The precooked bacon is worth the price of membership.

    We stick to certain things but I love Costco.  Their $20 bottle of Vodka is like buying a $40 bottle of Grey Goose.  It's from France and I have been told that it is Grey Goose but that isn't verified.  The bottle shape is similar so they might be trying to tell us something.

    The meat and seafood is very good.  We tend to buy some "ready to cook" entrees as well from their meat counter.  Their stuffed peppers are awesome.  Mac and cheese isn't bad.  

    I totally agree about the seasonal stuff.  We bought beach chairs and umbrellas there a few years ago at about half of what was being charged by Amazon for the same shit.

    Fuck tRump!!
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  • josevolution
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    I walked into ER @local hospital suffering Heart attack was taken care of in 5mnts had me in procedure room in 30mnts this was 3yrs ago ..
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478

    The Senate Republican healthcare bill is collapsing

    http://www.businessinsider.com/senate-republican-healthcare-bill-bcra-trumpcare-vote-count-2017-6
  • RiotZact
    RiotZact Posts: 6,293
    If Obamacare is dead like Trump says, then this thing never even lived at all.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,313
    RiotZact said:
    If Obamacare is dead like Trump says, then this thing never even lived at all.
    Still born?
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  • RiotZact
    RiotZact Posts: 6,293
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    RiotZact said:
    If Obamacare is dead like Trump says, then this thing never even lived at all.
    Still born?
    Abortion?
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    RiotZact said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    RiotZact said:
    If Obamacare is dead like Trump says, then this thing never even lived at all.
    Still born?
    Abortion?
    Yes, the Republican plan is an abortion for sure. A late-term abortion, since they've had many years to prepare for this.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,313
    jeffbr said:
    RiotZact said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    RiotZact said:
    If Obamacare is dead like Trump says, then this thing never even lived at all.
    Still born?
    Abortion?
    Yes, the Republican plan is an abortion for sure. A late-term abortion, since they've had many years to prepare for this.
    According to the republicans, it was alive at conception, even preconception. So, as such, it should be allowed to live.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,159
    no they should be forced to carry it to term and bring it to a vote. even though it is going to be stillborn, dead on arrival.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,159
    they are going to have to amend it. the freedom caucus won't support it as it is now. they want to make it even crueler if that is possible.

    you know what is going to happen? They are going to come up with some bill, pass it, send it back to the house for them to approve, and they are going to make the house members gamble their careers by voting for a bill that is less popular than genital warts. seriously, genital warts are viewed more favorably than this bill.
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    Ya know, perhaps if they actually focused on CREATING a health care bill instead of just throwing something together so that the ACA is no longer the thing...  That is one of two main purposes they are doing this. 1) To line their pockets and 2) Undo another thing because Obama's name is attached.  Those are the only two things Trumps gives a flying fuck about.  Making himself richer and undoing Obama stuff.

    Fuck Trump.
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    It's not like the R's had any time to work on carefully crafting it...
    Douchebags.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177

    Warren Buffett Makes The Case For Single-Payer Health Care

    "The United States, virtually alone among developed nations without a universal single-payer system, has by far the world’s highest per-person health care costs ― and based on many key criteria, it nonetheless has worse outcomes."

    We rank 1st in per-person health care costs in the world ($9,237/person), and 12th in life expectancy. Clearly what we're doing, and have been doing, isn't working. 10 years ago you wouldn't hear me advocating for single-payer, but I'm sick and tired of seeing families bankrupted by medical costs, so seeing friends not seeking treatments because they can't afford them. It is time to experiment with a system that seems to be working in every other developed nation. Are there problems with other nations' health care systems? Sure. Just like we have massive problems here. But we're paying top shelf prices for mediocre coverage as it is.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,159
    Tiki said:
    It's not like the R's had any time to work on carefully crafting it...
    Douchebags.
    they had 8 years but they never thought they would be in this position. they ran on repealing something that was popular. they did not think the people would be stupid enough to give them both houses and the presidency. i am willing to bet that they were just paying lip service and never once thought that they would actually have to try to repeal it. that is why we are seeing the shitty bills put forward now. 
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    Ding dong the witch is dead. Now get money back into the markets and do right by Americans 
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,159
    just wait. they will try to repeal it again. i will not believe the repeal effort is over until the republicans lose either the house or senate.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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