America's Gun Violence

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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,669
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    I disagree highly with both.  Obviously.
    Why?  SCOTUS sided with states' rights to regulate fire-arms.  Should they be regulated at the Federal level instead?
    And unsung has already made clear his membership in the Illinois militia. So when is it a state issue, and when is it a federal issue?
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    It is a permission slip for something that is not supposed to require permission.

    I could almost get behind the felon issue.  But what if the crime is non-violent?  What if they served their time?  People make mistakes, people are wrongfully convicted, people also lose gun rights based on accusations in some states, some politicians even want to ban purchase based on an arbitrary do not fly list with no due process.  This is not what a free country does.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    For the record I also support reinstating one's right to vote upon completion of their punishment.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung said:
    It is a permission slip for something that is not supposed to require permission.

    I could almost get behind the felon issue.  But what if the crime is non-violent?  What if they served their time?  People make mistakes, people are wrongfully convicted, people also lose gun rights based on accusations in some states, some politicians even want to ban purchase based on an arbitrary do not fly list with no due process.  This is not what a free country does.
    Well... worse case scenario: they don't have a gun to go shoot shit with at the gun range or landfill.

    Don't expect the benefit of the law when you can't comply with it.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    At some point a person should have paid their debt.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,669
    Free countries limit access to weapons all the time. The US already does. 
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Um, freedom means no limits.  No permission.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    unsung said:
    I disagree highly with both.  Obviously.
    So convicted felons should be able to legally purchase a gun?
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,669
    unsung said:
    Um, freedom means no limits.  No permission.
    You bring up a good point about the defintion of freedom. Like a lot of things, it falls on a continuum. As Americans, we call ourselves 'free' often. We're a group that likes to be free to say and do certain things we consider free. There's also a subjective freedom that I think other countries do a better job of. Greater ability to move up economically, greater mobility, a greater sense of emotional security and less despair/struggle. I think this subjective freedom can be more important than the freedom to do certain things. 
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    my2hands said:
    unsung said:
    I disagree highly with both.  Obviously.
    So convicted felons should be able to legally purchase a gun?
    Have you read what I said?
  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    edited June 2017
    unsung said:
    Um, freedom means no limits.  No permission.
    Eh you do realise that this is ridiculous? No limits implies not having to live by any rules at all. Are you one of those people who basically wants to do away with any kind of law and order precided over by government?
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    LOL, you must be new here.
  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    No, no matter how long I'm here I'll never understand the twisted relationship some Americans seem to have with their country, their government and even their fellow Americans
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    unsung said:
    Um, freedom means no limits.  No permission.
    actually, freedom is protected by limits and laws.  what you stated is Chaos:

    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/chaos

  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/06/22/americas-complex-relationship-with-guns/
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,910
    fife said:
    unsung said:
    Um, freedom means no limits.  No permission.
    actually, freedom is protected by limits and laws.  what you stated is Chaos:

    http://www.dictionary.com/browse/chaos

    Totally. With no limits, only the nasty bullies have freedom.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:
    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/06/22/americas-complex-relationship-with-guns/
    America's relationship with guns, simplified


  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2017
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/06/22/americas-complex-relationship-with-guns/
    America's relationship with guns, simplified


    Know how I can tell this graph is bullshit?  It states that less than 40% of Texas households have guns, lol.  How exactly would one come up with an accurate gun ownership by household percentage?  Most Texans I know would never answer "yes" to a survey asking if they own guns...
    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/05/foghorn/debunking-mother-jones-10-pro-gun-myths-shot/
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    That doesn't prove the graph is bullshit. Try again.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2017
    HesCalledDyer said:
    That doesn't prove the graph is bullshit. Try again.
    Merely posting a graph does not mean it is accurate either.  I'm just saying that I find it hard to believe that fewer than 40% of Texas homes have guns...not proving bullshit...just calling bullshit.  Once again, I do not know ANY gun owners or gun rights supporters that would answer "yes" to ownership on any questionnaire. Gun owners that support gun control may, but that's a pretty select audience.
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
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