Which Political Party Is Violent?

CM189191 · June 2017

PJPOWER said:

^^^ I bet if you dug a little deeper than surface level, you would find that your theory does not hold up. If you are comfortable drawing a conclusion based on a minimum amount of data that does not consider the demographics/socioeconomic status of those committing the crimes, then don't let me stand in the way of your self-validating dillusional conclusion. Who knows, maybe it's pissed off democrats living in a conservative state that are committing the crimes...You just do not know with the minimum amount of data you presented.

Right....self-validating. You immediately jumped to the conclusion the crimes must be concentrated in the cities. The (dogwhistle) urban areas, if you will. What are you validating?

I cited 4 separate, distinguishable metrics from 4 different sources that all seem to indicate that conservative states are where the crimes are occurring. You shouldn't be surprised, we already know they're a bunch of thieves.

Image: https://files.taxfoundation.org/20170113143138/FedAidtoStates.png

PJ_Soul · June 2017

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

Red States Have Higher Crime Rates Than Blue States
http://editions.lib.umn.edu/smartpolitics/2009/09/16/red-states-have-higher-crime-r/

Looks like we have a winner!!

This really does not give a clear picture or represent the political party of those actually committing these crimes. Plenty from both political parties reside in predominantly conservative and predominantly liberal states. That, and some states are "tougher" on certain crimes over others. Certain "property crimes" are probably reported differently depending on the state and their priorities. And on another note, in Texas for example, many of the larger cities lean liberal and are most likely the places driving the numbers for violent crimes. The issue is not as black and white as these graphs make it seem.

Honestly, I think these maps actually suggest that the weather is a causal factor more than anything else. I'm serious, lol.

unsung · June 2017

PJ_Soul · June 2017

That's really fucked up that you're posting anything that attributes that event to Socialists. I know it's supposed to be a joke, but I get the impression that that is really what you've been doing since it happened - somehow trying to link this thing to Democrats/liberals as a group. I'm pretty sure even you know there is no relevant connection there.

mcgruff10 · June 2017

unsung said:

that's some funny shit lol.

unsung · June 2017

PJ_Soul said:

That's really fucked up that you're posting anything that attributes that event to Socialists. I know it's supposed to be a joke, but I get the impression that that is really what you've been doing since it happened - somehow trying to link this thing to Democrats/liberals as a group. I'm pretty sure even you know there is no relevant connection there.

Well, the shooter's socialist facebook page applauded his actions. So some appreciated it.

Halifax2TheMax · June 2017

unsung said:

Just adding to the toxic stew of discourse. I'll await the condemnation from a certain poster.

PJPOWER · June 2017

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

Red States Have Higher Crime Rates Than Blue States
http://editions.lib.umn.edu/smartpolitics/2009/09/16/red-states-have-higher-crime-r/

Looks like we have a winner!!

This really does not give a clear picture or represent the political party of those actually committing these crimes. Plenty from both political parties reside in predominantly conservative and predominantly liberal states. That, and some states are "tougher" on certain crimes over others. Certain "property crimes" are probably reported differently depending on the state and their priorities. And on another note, in Texas for example, many of the larger cities lean liberal and are most likely the places driving the numbers for violent crimes. The issue is not as black and white as these graphs make it seem.

Honestly, I think these maps actually suggest that the weather is a causal factor more than anything else. I'm serious, lol.

I think you may be on to something! When I was a crisis counselor, we would always talk about how the severity of problems and caseloads would increase as the weather got hotter.

tbergs · June 2017

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

Red States Have Higher Crime Rates Than Blue States
http://editions.lib.umn.edu/smartpolitics/2009/09/16/red-states-have-higher-crime-r/

Looks like we have a winner!!

This really does not give a clear picture or represent the political party of those actually committing these crimes. Plenty from both political parties reside in predominantly conservative and predominantly liberal states. That, and some states are "tougher" on certain crimes over others. Certain "property crimes" are probably reported differently depending on the state and their priorities. And on another note, in Texas for example, many of the larger cities lean liberal and are most likely the places driving the numbers for violent crimes. The issue is not as black and white as these graphs make it seem.

Honestly, I think these maps actually suggest that the weather is a causal factor more than anything else. I'm serious, lol.

I think you may be on to something! When I was a crisis counselor, we would always talk about how the severity of problems and caseloads would increase as the weather got hotter.

Don't forget about the full moon effect as well.

PJPOWER · June 2017

tbergs said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

Red States Have Higher Crime Rates Than Blue States
http://editions.lib.umn.edu/smartpolitics/2009/09/16/red-states-have-higher-crime-r/

Looks like we have a winner!!

This really does not give a clear picture or represent the political party of those actually committing these crimes. Plenty from both political parties reside in predominantly conservative and predominantly liberal states. That, and some states are "tougher" on certain crimes over others. Certain "property crimes" are probably reported differently depending on the state and their priorities. And on another note, in Texas for example, many of the larger cities lean liberal and are most likely the places driving the numbers for violent crimes. The issue is not as black and white as these graphs make it seem.

Honestly, I think these maps actually suggest that the weather is a causal factor more than anything else. I'm serious, lol.

I think you may be on to something! When I was a crisis counselor, we would always talk about how the severity of problems and caseloads would increase as the weather got hotter.

Don't forget about the full moon effect as well.

It's true!

HughFreakingDillon · June 2017

so we're drawing conclusions on which states have a higher percentage of violence based on party choice, when the voter turnout is typically less than 50%? and no one sees anything wrong with this test sample?

PJPOWER · June 2017

HughFreakingDillon said:

so we're drawing conclusions on which states have a higher percentage of violence based on party choice, when the voter turnout is typically less than 50%? and no one sees anything wrong with this test sample?

No, plenty see something wrong with this. But trying to explain this to people who feel their assumptions are validated by this test sample is like trying to explain color to a blind person.

dignin · June 2017

HughFreakingDillon said:

so we're drawing conclusions on which states have a higher percentage of violence based on party choice, when the voter turnout is typically less than 50%? and no one sees anything wrong with this test sample?

If you could get 50% of Americans to participate in any study that would be amazing.

PJPOWER · June 2017

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so we're drawing conclusions on which states have a higher percentage of violence based on party choice, when the voter turnout is typically less than 50%? and no one sees anything wrong with this test sample?

By If you could get 50% of Americans to participate in any study that would be amazing.

Unfortunately amazing does not mean accurate. And there is now some kind of anti-survey movement going on where people purposely try to throw off survey results in a Howard Stern/American Idolish fashion. That brown cow/chocolate milk thing that was posted earlier screams this type of defiance. Personally, I don't care that much. It's a type of non-violent civil disobedience that hits the heart of where some of these drive by media outlets source their information. Yet, some will still take these results as valid ways of drawing conclusions without questioning the possibility of it being inaccurate data.

HughFreakingDillon · June 2017

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so we're drawing conclusions on which states have a higher percentage of violence based on party choice, when the voter turnout is typically less than 50%? and no one sees anything wrong with this test sample?

If you could get 50% of Americans to participate in any study that would be amazing.

yes, but it basically means nothing. the fact that those states lean red has no relation to who is committing those crimes. now, if there was some stats as to how the criminals lean politically, that might be something.

but to me that graph is meaningless.

PJPOWER · June 2017

HughFreakingDillon said:

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so we're drawing conclusions on which states have a higher percentage of violence based on party choice, when the voter turnout is typically less than 50%? and no one sees anything wrong with this test sample?

If you could get 50% of Americans to participate in any study that would be amazing.

yes, but it basically means nothing. the fact that those states lean red has no relation to who is committing those crimes. now, if there was some stats as to how the criminals lean politically, that might be something.

but to me that graph is meaningless.

I agree, and that data is next to impossible to accurately gather without some kind of forced mass EEG that determines whether criminals have a conservative or liberal mindset based on some kind of patterned brain waves...which would most likely be crazy illegal.

dignin · June 2017

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so we're drawing conclusions on which states have a higher percentage of violence based on party choice, when the voter turnout is typically less than 50%? and no one sees anything wrong with this test sample?

By If you could get 50% of Americans to participate in any study that would be amazing.

Unfortunately amazing does not mean accurate. And there is now some kind of anti-survey movement going on where people purposely try to throw off survey results in a Howard Stern/American Idolish fashion. That brown cow/chocolate milk thing that was posted earlier screams this type of defiance. Personally, I don't care that much. It's a type of non-violent civil disobedience that hits the heart of where some of these drive by media outlets source their information.

Critique the conclusion some make about red states vs. blue states and violence all you want. That was not my point, my point was if any study could get 50% of the population to participate in that study, that would be a great study. Just look at how many people are polled for any given election...couple thousand maybe...now if you could poll 100 million your results would be way more accurate.

PJPOWER · June 2017

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so we're drawing conclusions on which states have a higher percentage of violence based on party choice, when the voter turnout is typically less than 50%? and no one sees anything wrong with this test sample?

By If you could get 50% of Americans to participate in any study that would be amazing.

Unfortunately amazing does not mean accurate. And there is now some kind of anti-survey movement going on where people purposely try to throw off survey results in a Howard Stern/American Idolish fashion. That brown cow/chocolate milk thing that was posted earlier screams this type of defiance. Personally, I don't care that much. It's a type of non-violent civil disobedience that hits the heart of where some of these drive by media outlets source their information.

Critique the conclusion some make about red states vs. blue states and violence all you want. That was not my point, my point was if any study could get 50% of the population to participate in that study, that would be a great study. Just look at how many people are polled for any given election...couple thousand maybe...now if you could poll 100 million your results would be way more accurate.

I partially agree, but then you run into not being able to interpret the data because of too large of a sample and the possibility that the polling method itself is biased or invalid. Some questions simply cannot be answered by public polling, such as the one presented in this thread. There are so many contributing factors to individuals becoming violent; being bullied, mental illness, brain damage, being abused, etc.

CM189191 · June 2017

HughFreakingDillon said:

so we're drawing conclusions on which states have a higher percentage of violence based on party choice, when the voter turnout is typically less than 50%? and no one sees anything wrong with this test sample?

Isn't the point of an election to elect persons that represent the population?

For example, if 50% of the people vote, and it's a 60 / 40 split for Republican / Democrat. Then it is safe to assume the total population falls along that same 60 / 40 split.

Sure, a smaller test sample leads to a higher margin of error. But I would hardly call 4 separate studies, examining 4 different criteria, across all 50 states a 'small test sample'. There is a very clear correlation here.

PJPOWER · June 2017

CM189191 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so we're drawing conclusions on which states have a higher percentage of violence based on party choice, when the voter turnout is typically less than 50%? and no one sees anything wrong with this test sample?

Isn't the point of an election to elect persons that represent the population?

For example, if 50% of the people vote, and it's a 60 / 40 split for Republican / Democrat. Then it is safe to assume the total population falls along that same 60 / 40 split.

Sure, a smaller test sample leads to a higher margin of error. But I would hardly call 4 separate studies, examining 4 different criteria, across all 50 states a 'small test sample'. There is a very clear correlation here.

A better sample in regards to political officiation vs violence would be to compare voting records to those with violent criminal records...but once again, you still are only getting a small sample of the population...voters.
Hypothetically, let's apply your logic to another category-homelessness. Let's say a study (or 4 separate studies) found that red states experience a higher rate of homelessness...does that mean that more republicans are homeless? Or would there be other factors to consider who the actual homeless people are and their political ideology in those states?

Which Political Party Is Violent?

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