Which Political Party Is Violent?

g under p · June 2017

Yes I saw this question pop up elsewhere on another music site and the OP was strictly blaming one party due to this criminal act. Violence is violence and hate is hate, one has to be particularly deranged to allow one's political views lead you to violence such as this crime.

I saw something on CBS Late Night that would interesting to try. In little league baseball all the way up through college after games the players all shake hands in congratulations for the game played. Just as they did after the game eventually played by both parties. Why not continue those congratulations after every session of Congress. One doesn't have to change your point of view just a simple reaching out open handed thanking the other side for just being here to rule on a bill etc.

Peace

brianlux · June 2017

g under p said:

Yes I saw this question pop up elsewhere on another music site and the OP was strictly blaming one party due to this criminal act. Violence is violence and hate is hate, one has to be particularly deranged to allow one's political views lead you to violence such as this crime.

I saw something on CBS Late Night that would interesting to try. In little league baseball all the way up through college after games the players all shake hands in congratulations for the game played. Just as they did after the game eventually played by both parties. Why not continue those congratulations after every session of Congress. One doesn't have to change your point of view just a simple reaching out open handed thanking the other side for just being here to rule on a bill etc.

Peace

That would be hard to do because people are so split on issues but on the other hand, if there was to be this kind of cooperative spirit, maybe people wouldn't be so split on the issues. I think most people want the same basic things- peace, a healthy planet, and to be able to have a good time.

Go Beavers · June 2017

Speaking of kids sports. Have you seen a team where the coach is rude, disrespectful, and has no sportsmanship? All the kids follow their lead and usually are equally rude. Same with the players families. So a good question is which party leader is rude, antagonisitic, encourages violence, and fabricated enemies and creates division?

tbergs · June 2017

As has been said, it's about the person, not their party or belief. This would be no different than asking which religion is more violent. A person committing a violent act isn't a representation of any group, unless at the core, that organization encourages and promotes violence.

RoleModelsinBlood31 · June 2017

Go Beavers said:

Speaking of kids sports. Have you seen a team where the coach is rude, disrespectful, and has no sportsmanship? All the kids follow their lead and usually are equally rude. Same with the players families. So a good question is which party leader is rude, antagonisitic, encourages violence, and fabricated enemies and creates division?

I've coached against those idiots many times in the last several years in youth lacrosse. Yelling at refs, parents, kids, getting kicked out, it's pretty common sadly enough. One thing I can say though is rarely are the kids at fault and rarely do they act like the coach at all. More often than not, in fact, the kids are awesome and behave really well even though the coach is completely out of control.

Go Beavers · June 2017

tbergs said:

As has been said, it's about the person, not their party or belief. This would be no different than asking which religion is more violent. A person committing a violent act isn't a representation of any group, unless at the core, that organization encourages and promotes violence.

There can be a definate influence from the group leader. The idea that everyone acts completely independent is a myth of our culture.

tbergs · June 2017

Go Beavers said:

tbergs said:

As has been said, it's about the person, not their party or belief. This would be no different than asking which religion is more violent. A person committing a violent act isn't a representation of any group, unless at the core, that organization encourages and promotes violence.

There can be a definate influence from the group leader. The idea that everyone acts completely independent is a myth of our culture.

I'd still argue that an unrighteous leader is only tapping in to what the core of those fringes truly believes. You make a good point though, Nazi Germany doesn't happen without a leader able to promote a message of intolerance at such a convincing level. At that point it becomes only those of true personal character and values who may be exempt from influence. For the most part people are easily influenced because they want to fit in and as long as it doesn't disrupt their life. If hate and violence can some how be given justification, then the masses will go along with it.

HesCalledDyer · June 2017

mcgruff10 said:

The far right and far left are both crazy imo. I m hoping sometime in the near future both sides sit down and try to actually make this country better.

CM189191 · June 2017

Red States Have Higher Crime Rates Than Blue States
http://editions.lib.umn.edu/smartpolitics/2009/09/16/red-states-have-higher-crime-r/

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Looks like we have a winner!!

Halifax2TheMax · June 2017

CM189191 said:

Red States Have Higher Crime Rates Than Blue States
http://editions.lib.umn.edu/smartpolitics/2009/09/16/red-states-have-higher-crime-r/

Looks like we have a winner!!

Clearly more guns are the answer.

RoleModelsinBlood31 · June 2017

^^^ fake news. That's dated from 2009 anyway, but crime rates always trend higher in higher population areas, aka cities. Call it blue or red or whatever side you're on I don't personally care, but snopes fact checked it and tells it a little more fairly:

http://www.snopes.com/crime-rates-democrats-vote/

PJPOWER · June 2017

CM189191 said:

Red States Have Higher Crime Rates Than Blue States
http://editions.lib.umn.edu/smartpolitics/2009/09/16/red-states-have-higher-crime-r/

Looks like we have a winner!!

This really does not give a clear picture or represent the political party of those actually committing these crimes. Plenty from both political parties reside in predominantly conservative and predominantly liberal states. That, and some states are "tougher" on certain crimes over others. Certain "property crimes" are probably reported differently depending on the state and their priorities. And on another note, in Texas for example, many of the larger cities lean liberal and are most likely the places driving the numbers for violent crimes. The issue is not as black and white as these graphs make it seem.

CM189191 · June 2017

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

Red States Have Higher Crime Rates Than Blue States
http://editions.lib.umn.edu/smartpolitics/2009/09/16/red-states-have-higher-crime-r/

Looks like we have a winner!!

This really does not give a clear picture or represent the political party of those actually committing these crimes. Plenty from both political parties reside in predominantly conservative and predominantly liberal states. That, and some states are "tougher" on certain crimes over others. Certain "property crimes" are probably reported differently depending on the state and their priorities. And on another note, in Texas for example, many of the larger cities lean liberal and are most likely the places driving the numbers for violent crimes. The issue is not as black and white as these graphs make it seem.

Right, there could be a whole bunch of explanations, other than the obvious conclusion.

PJPOWER · June 2017

CM189191 said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

Red States Have Higher Crime Rates Than Blue States
http://editions.lib.umn.edu/smartpolitics/2009/09/16/red-states-have-higher-crime-r/

Looks like we have a winner!!

This really does not give a clear picture or represent the political party of those actually committing these crimes. Plenty from both political parties reside in predominantly conservative and predominantly liberal states. That, and some states are "tougher" on certain crimes over others. Certain "property crimes" are probably reported differently depending on the state and their priorities. And on another note, in Texas for example, many of the larger cities lean liberal and are most likely the places driving the numbers for violent crimes. The issue is not as black and white as these graphs make it seem.

Right, there could be a whole bunch of explanations, other than the obvious conclusion.

Thanks correlation does not mean causation?

CM189191 · June 2017

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

Red States Have Higher Crime Rates Than Blue States
http://editions.lib.umn.edu/smartpolitics/2009/09/16/red-states-have-higher-crime-r/

Looks like we have a winner!!

This really does not give a clear picture or represent the political party of those actually committing these crimes. Plenty from both political parties reside in predominantly conservative and predominantly liberal states. That, and some states are "tougher" on certain crimes over others. Certain "property crimes" are probably reported differently depending on the state and their priorities. And on another note, in Texas for example, many of the larger cities lean liberal and are most likely the places driving the numbers for violent crimes. The issue is not as black and white as these graphs make it seem.

Right, there could be a whole bunch of explanations, other than the obvious conclusion.

Thanks correlation does not mean causation?

So we agree, "There is a high correlation between right-leaning states and higher crime rates"

So then the question becomes, "What causes right-leaning states to have higher crime rates than their left-leaning counterparts?"

Do you really think Texas skews towards #46 in safety because of it's big cities; when New York, Illinois and California sit at #2, #20 & #23?

CM189191 · June 2017

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

^^^ fake news. That's dated from 2009 anyway, but crime rates always trend higher in higher population areas, aka cities. Call it blue or red or whatever side you're on I don't personally care, but snopes fact checked it and tells it a little more fairly:

http://www.snopes.com/crime-rates-democrats-vote/

Snopes is refuting the claim that "Maps shows that areas with high democratic populations also have high crime rates."

This article agrees. Not only that, but also reflects back on last 3 elections and "These crime rate findings hold despite the fact that blue states have a higher population of residents in urban areas, which tend to have higher crime rates than rural areas."

PJPOWER · June 2017

CM189191 said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

Red States Have Higher Crime Rates Than Blue States
http://editions.lib.umn.edu/smartpolitics/2009/09/16/red-states-have-higher-crime-r/

Looks like we have a winner!!

This really does not give a clear picture or represent the political party of those actually committing these crimes. Plenty from both political parties reside in predominantly conservative and predominantly liberal states. That, and some states are "tougher" on certain crimes over others. Certain "property crimes" are probably reported differently depending on the state and their priorities. And on another note, in Texas for example, many of the larger cities lean liberal and are most likely the places driving the numbers for violent crimes. The issue is not as black and white as these graphs make it seem.

Right, there could be a whole bunch of explanations, other than the obvious conclusion.

Thanks correlation does not mean causation?

So we agree, "There is a high correlation between right-leaning states and higher crime rates"

So then the question becomes, "What causes right-leaning states to have higher crime rates than their left-leaning counterparts?"

Do you really think Texas skews towards #46 in safety because of it's big cities; when New York, Illinois and California sit at #2, #20 & #23?

Difficult to say. There is a huge difference in demographics between the two states. Your suggesting that because red states have high crime rates, it must be the conservatives committing the crimes in those states...which is a completely inaccurate conclusion based off the data you provided. Who are committing the crimes vs. where are the crimes being committed.

CM189191 · June 2017

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

Red States Have Higher Crime Rates Than Blue States
http://editions.lib.umn.edu/smartpolitics/2009/09/16/red-states-have-higher-crime-r/

Looks like we have a winner!!

This really does not give a clear picture or represent the political party of those actually committing these crimes. Plenty from both political parties reside in predominantly conservative and predominantly liberal states. That, and some states are "tougher" on certain crimes over others. Certain "property crimes" are probably reported differently depending on the state and their priorities. And on another note, in Texas for example, many of the larger cities lean liberal and are most likely the places driving the numbers for violent crimes. The issue is not as black and white as these graphs make it seem.

Right, there could be a whole bunch of explanations, other than the obvious conclusion.

Thanks correlation does not mean causation?

So we agree, "There is a high correlation between right-leaning states and higher crime rates"

So then the question becomes, "What causes right-leaning states to have higher crime rates than their left-leaning counterparts?"

Do you really think Texas skews towards #46 in safety because of it's big cities; when New York, Illinois and California sit at #2, #20 & #23?

Difficult to say. There is a huge difference in demographics between the two states. Your suggesting that because red states have high crime rates, it must be the conservatives committing the crimes in those states...which is a completely inaccurate conclusion based off the data you provided. Who are committing the crimes vs. where are the crimes being committed.

Are you suggesting that people from CA, NY, & IL are sneaking into TX to commit crimes, then retreating back to their home states?

No, that would be ridiculous. Obviously it is the residents of Texas who are more prone to crime than their counterparts in CA, IL & NY. (And apparently adverse to getting a higher education.) The residents in Texas are also more likely to be conservative. It is reasonable to conclude that conservatives are more prone to committing crimes than their liberal peers.

RoleModelsinBlood31 · June 2017

CM189191 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

^^^ fake news. That's dated from 2009 anyway, but crime rates always trend higher in higher population areas, aka cities. Call it blue or red or whatever side you're on I don't personally care, but snopes fact checked it and tells it a little more fairly:

http://www.snopes.com/crime-rates-democrats-vote/

Snopes is refuting the claim that "Maps shows that areas with high democratic populations also have high crime rates."

This article agrees. Not only that, but also reflects back on last 3 elections and "These crime rate findings hold despite the fact that blue states have a higher population of residents in urban areas, which tend to have higher crime rates than rural areas."

Totally. I re-read it and you're correct. It does throw this in there though "there is at least a morsel of truth to the claim that areas with high Democratic turnout have a higher crime rate. That phenomenon, however, has more to do with population density than it does with politics."

kind of weird, took me a few reads but it's Monday so I'm a bit slow.

PJPOWER · June 2017

^^^ I bet if you dug a little deeper than surface level, you would find that your theory does not hold up. If you are comfortable drawing a conclusion based on a minimum amount of data that does not consider the demographics/socioeconomic status of those committing the crimes, then don't let me stand in the way of your self-validating dillusional conclusion. Who knows, maybe it's pissed off democrats living in a conservative state that are committing the crimes...You just do not know with the minimum amount of data you presented.

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