America's Gun Violence
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There are plenty of other ways of securing a firearm other than one of these safes. This particular safe was only mentioned due to a previous poster saying there is no way of securing a firearm for quick access. The function and availability of these proves otherwise.Go Beavers said:
Were 300 million sold?PP193448 said:Side note. They sold small biometric safes at my local Sams club couple years ago. Bought one for me, my brother, and my dad (Christmas presents). They are readily available at stores such as Bass Pro Shop, Field and Stream, Cabelas, etc. Pretty sure you could get one on Amazon too.
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They are great. If for nothing else, they are easy to pack into a suitcase for storing other valuables while traveling. They usually come with an anti-theft wire attached to secure to a bed frame, bottom of car seat, etc.PP193448 said:Side note. They sold small biometric safes at my local Sams club couple years ago. Bought one for me, my brother, and my dad (Christmas presents). They are readily available at stores such as Bass Pro Shop, Field and Stream, Cabelas, etc. Pretty sure you could get one on Amazon too.
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You mean the second amendment, which calls for a "well regulated Militia."rgambs said:
No, no, no, because, um, the Constitution.Go Beavers said:
So can we have as many rules with guns as we do with cars?PJPOWER said:
There are always going to be responsible and irresponsible people out there, whether they are doing drugs, playing with guns, joy riding in cars, etc. That does not discount the fact that there are also a ton of responsible people out there that should not have there right to protect themselves (from the irresponsible) with a firearm trampled on.rgambs said:
What fallacies?PJPOWER said:
So says the person spouting the gun control fallacies.rgambs said:
Bullshit. I don't know a single gun owner who has anything but a plain old gun safe.PJPOWER said:
You are completely full of shit! Most people I know that have children have something similar. You are totally uneducated on the subject. Go back to a topic you have a glimmer of intelligence on...seriously. I have actually received and given these mini-vaults many times as Christmas presents...I'm from Texas and I know a hell of a lot of gun owners that use these, if for nothing else so they do not get their firearms stolen.rgambs said:
Yeah, there are.PJPOWER said:
Bullshit, there are plenty of quickly accessible biometric or quick release combination safe options out there for just this thing.rgambs said:
Who actually has the capability to secure their guns from children yet still have them quickly accessible for protection from a home invasion.PJPOWER said:
I always found this to be an interesting argument. Having a child in the house increases the odds of a child peeing on the floor. Having drain cleaner in the house increases the odds of someone poisoning themselves with drain cleaner. Having sleeping pills in the house increases the odds of a sleeping pill overdose. How do you decrease the odds? Lock shit up! Do not leave your drain cleaner accessible to children, etc. The only way a gun will harm someone unintentionally is due to negligence, as with the sleeping pills, drain cleaner, etc.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
No. I don't think that.dudeman said:
So, you think that people should be able to own guns for self defense but those who choose to exercise their right are idiots?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
For the life of me... I can't understand how people do not understand that the risk of getting killed or injured by a gun increases dramatically after a gun is introduced to a home.Go Beavers said:
I don't recommend purchasing a gun for protection, but the logic of many of pro-gun folks says yes, people should buy guns to protect themselves from any perceived threat.dudeman said:So, would you recommend that those people who are distrustful of police purchase guns so that they can protect themselves?
Home invaders are a threat, but nowhere near the threat the gun itself is.
I'm saying having a gun in your house exponentially increases your odds of a firearm related accident for you or anyone in your house.
I would also argue that having a firearm in the house exponentially increases the odds of your own survival if drugged up armed intruders break in while you are there. Or a few teens armed with knives and brass knuckles as in a recent incident.
NOBODY!
https://thegunsafes.net/biometric-gun-safe-reviews/
Too bad NOBODY has one.
Maybe you do. Maybe.
Probably more than 90% of guy owners don't. You know it in your heart even if you won't admit it.
You want everyone to believe a fantasy, people aren't gonna buy it.
I live in the middle where common sense shows it's face, not some fantasy land where there are tens of millions of biometric safes in use and kids don't kill themselves every week with their parents' guns.0 -
The farmers and Amish don't have them though so it's unrealistic that any else does.PP193448 said:Side note. They sold small biometric safes at my local Sams club couple years ago. Bought one for me, my brother, and my dad (Christmas presents). They are readily available at stores such as Bass Pro Shop, Field and Stream, Cabelas, etc. Pretty sure you could get one on Amazon too.
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I can see how it might be easy to lose touch with the rest of society living in Amish country...even if you are not Amish yourself.dudeman said:
The farmers and Amish don't have them though so it's unrealistic that any else does.PP193448 said:Side note. They sold small biometric safes at my local Sams club couple years ago. Bought one for me, my brother, and my dad (Christmas presents). They are readily available at stores such as Bass Pro Shop, Field and Stream, Cabelas, etc. Pretty sure you could get one on Amazon too.
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No, you guys are right. Biometric safes fly off the shelves so fast that is becoming one of the largest industries in America!Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0
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Sarcasm is funnyrgambs said:No, you guys are right. Biometric safes fly off the shelves so fast that is becoming one of the largest industries in America!
. Safe companies definitely do not seem to be hurting right now...I may be wrong. Besides, not every gun owner needs a biometric type quick access safe. There are plenty of other options out there and everyone's house is built differently. They are smart options when staying in hotels and traveling though. Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
There are things going on now to address state governments that pass legislation that contradicts or undermines federal law. I'll post links when I can.rgambs said:
You can't prove I knew he was a criminal. I'm not required to check.CM189191 said:
Logic loophole: why can't we prove you sold the gun to a criminal?rgambs said:It's tiresome.
I point out that I can sell a gun to a criminal without paperwork.
You say I still broke the law.
I point out that there is no way to prove I did or punish me for it.
I lose track of what obfuscation follows because it is like beating my head off a wall.
It's the same with every control aspect, just beating my head off a wall that conceals it's extremist opinions in measured language.If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
Key word there is smart. It seems like the standards to be in the militia are pretty low. Lot's of dumbasses out there with guns.PJPOWER said:
Sarcasm is funnyrgambs said:No, you guys are right. Biometric safes fly off the shelves so fast that is becoming one of the largest industries in America!
. Safe companies definitely do not seem to be hurting right now...I may be wrong. Besides, not every gun owner needs a biometric type quick access safe. There are plenty of other options out there and everyone's house is built differently. They are smart options when staying in hotels and traveling though. 0 -
rgambs said:
No, you guys are right. Biometric safes fly off the shelves so fast that is becoming one of the largest industries in America!
I am not too concerned about gun owners safety in their homes. I hope the are very safe, no pun intended, especially if kids are around. But inevitably the home is the owners responsibility.
Regarding gun owners transportation of firearms on public transportation and highways - Why there are virtually no checks that "existing gun laws" are being followed, especially in the liberal "no carry" states, is infuriating.0 -
If you are referring to the standards for being in America, then I mostly agree. That's why law abiding citizens do feel the need to arm themselves.Go Beavers said:
Key word there is smart. It seems like the standards to be in the militia are pretty low. Lot's of dumbasses out there with guns.PJPOWER said:
Sarcasm is funnyrgambs said:No, you guys are right. Biometric safes fly off the shelves so fast that is becoming one of the largest industries in America!
. Safe companies definitely do not seem to be hurting right now...I may be wrong. Besides, not every gun owner needs a biometric type quick access safe. There are plenty of other options out there and everyone's house is built differently. They are smart options when staying in hotels and traveling though. 0 -
Gun ownership does decrease as education increasesPJPOWER said:
If you are referring to the standards for being in America, then I mostly agree. That's why law abiding citizens do feel the need to arm themselves.Go Beavers said:
Key word there is smart. It seems like the standards to be in the militia are pretty low. Lot's of dumbasses out there with guns.PJPOWER said:
Sarcasm is funnyrgambs said:No, you guys are right. Biometric safes fly off the shelves so fast that is becoming one of the largest industries in America!
. Safe companies definitely do not seem to be hurting right now...I may be wrong. Besides, not every gun owner needs a biometric type quick access safe. There are plenty of other options out there and everyone's house is built differently. They are smart options when staying in hotels and traveling though.
College Post Graduate 30 %
College Graduate 37 %
Some College 41 %
High School Graduate or Less 42 %0 -
Are you inferring that the uneducated are criminals? I question the methodology of how those statistics were gathered. Even if they are correct, there is a thousand ways they could be interpreted. One way may be that uneducated people live in poverty stricken neighborhoods at a greater percentage and feel a greater need to arm themselves. But again, I question a valid method of gathering demographic firearm ownership data when a large number of gun owners most likely would not answer firearm related surveys accurately. Unless the surveyors are actually going in and checking houses over...There should be a disclaimer of "these are based on survey answers and may not reflect the truth".CM189191 said:
Gun ownership does decrease as education increasesPJPOWER said:
If you are referring to the standards for being in America, then I mostly agree. That's why law abiding citizens do feel the need to arm themselves.Go Beavers said:
Key word there is smart. It seems like the standards to be in the militia are pretty low. Lot's of dumbasses out there with guns.PJPOWER said:
Sarcasm is funnyrgambs said:No, you guys are right. Biometric safes fly off the shelves so fast that is becoming one of the largest industries in America!
. Safe companies definitely do not seem to be hurting right now...I may be wrong. Besides, not every gun owner needs a biometric type quick access safe. There are plenty of other options out there and everyone's house is built differently. They are smart options when staying in hotels and traveling though.
College Post Graduate 30 %
College Graduate 37 %
Some College 41 %
High School Graduate or Less 42 %0 -
The study is inferring there is a correlation between gun ownership and the uneducated. Or, the more educated one is, the less likely they are to own a gun. There is no inference about causation.PJPOWER said:
Are you inferring that the uneducated are criminals? I question the methodology of how those statistics were gathered. Even if they are correct, there is a thousand ways they could be interpreted. One way may be that uneducated people live in poverty stricken neighborhoods at a greater percentage and feel a greater need to arm themselves. But again, I question a valid method of gathering demographic firearm ownership data when a large number of gun owners most likely would not answer firearm related surveys accurately. Unless the surveyors are actually going in and checking houses over...There should be a disclaimer of "these are based on survey answers and may not reflect the truth".CM189191 said:
Gun ownership does decrease as education increasesPJPOWER said:
If you are referring to the standards for being in America, then I mostly agree. That's why law abiding citizens do feel the need to arm themselves.Go Beavers said:
Key word there is smart. It seems like the standards to be in the militia are pretty low. Lot's of dumbasses out there with guns.PJPOWER said:
Sarcasm is funnyrgambs said:No, you guys are right. Biometric safes fly off the shelves so fast that is becoming one of the largest industries in America!
. Safe companies definitely do not seem to be hurting right now...I may be wrong. Besides, not every gun owner needs a biometric type quick access safe. There are plenty of other options out there and everyone's house is built differently. They are smart options when staying in hotels and traveling though.
College Post Graduate 30 %
College Graduate 37 %
Some College 41 %
High School Graduate or Less 42 %
As for the methodology, they appear to be pretty transparent: http://www.statisticbrain.com/our-methodology/
And sources cited too: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Gallup Inc, Pew Research
There should be a disclaimer: "Information enclosed may not fit with your world view, but that does not mean it is not accurate."Post edited by CM189191 on0 -
"We collect data using 4 main methods; Online surveys, Phone surveys, In-Person Interviews, and Direct Mail Questionnaires.CM189191 said:
The study is inferring there is a correlation between gun ownership and the uneducated. Or, the more educated one is, the less likely they are to own a gun. There is no inference about causation.PJPOWER said:
Are you inferring that the uneducated are criminals? I question the methodology of how those statistics were gathered. Even if they are correct, there is a thousand ways they could be interpreted. One way may be that uneducated people live in poverty stricken neighborhoods at a greater percentage and feel a greater need to arm themselves. But again, I question a valid method of gathering demographic firearm ownership data when a large number of gun owners most likely would not answer firearm related surveys accurately. Unless the surveyors are actually going in and checking houses over...There should be a disclaimer of "these are based on survey answers and may not reflect the truth".CM189191 said:
Gun ownership does decrease as education increasesPJPOWER said:
If you are referring to the standards for being in America, then I mostly agree. That's why law abiding citizens do feel the need to arm themselves.Go Beavers said:
Key word there is smart. It seems like the standards to be in the militia are pretty low. Lot's of dumbasses out there with guns.PJPOWER said:
Sarcasm is funnyrgambs said:No, you guys are right. Biometric safes fly off the shelves so fast that is becoming one of the largest industries in America!
. Safe companies definitely do not seem to be hurting right now...I may be wrong. Besides, not every gun owner needs a biometric type quick access safe. There are plenty of other options out there and everyone's house is built differently. They are smart options when staying in hotels and traveling though.
College Post Graduate 30 %
College Graduate 37 %
Some College 41 %
High School Graduate or Less 42 %
As for the methodology, they appear to be pretty transparent: http://www.statisticbrain.com/our-methodology/
And sources cited too: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Gallup Inc, Pew Research
There should be a disclaimer: "Information enclosed may not fit with your world view, but that does not mean it is not accurate."
And I wonder if certain demographics are more inclined to answer these types of surveys accurately? Maybe we should survey and see... For instance, would an educated republican be more inclined or less to answer a gun survey accurately?Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
I have two BA's and a master and own over a dozen firearms. I guess i'm some sort of anomaly.CM189191 said:
The study is inferring there is a correlation between gun ownership and the uneducated. Or, the more educated one is, the less likely they are to own a gun. There is no inference about causation.PJPOWER said:
Are you inferring that the uneducated are criminals? I question the methodology of how those statistics were gathered. Even if they are correct, there is a thousand ways they could be interpreted. One way may be that uneducated people live in poverty stricken neighborhoods at a greater percentage and feel a greater need to arm themselves. But again, I question a valid method of gathering demographic firearm ownership data when a large number of gun owners most likely would not answer firearm related surveys accurately. Unless the surveyors are actually going in and checking houses over...There should be a disclaimer of "these are based on survey answers and may not reflect the truth".CM189191 said:
Gun ownership does decrease as education increasesPJPOWER said:
If you are referring to the standards for being in America, then I mostly agree. That's why law abiding citizens do feel the need to arm themselves.Go Beavers said:
Key word there is smart. It seems like the standards to be in the militia are pretty low. Lot's of dumbasses out there with guns.PJPOWER said:
Sarcasm is funnyrgambs said:No, you guys are right. Biometric safes fly off the shelves so fast that is becoming one of the largest industries in America!
. Safe companies definitely do not seem to be hurting right now...I may be wrong. Besides, not every gun owner needs a biometric type quick access safe. There are plenty of other options out there and everyone's house is built differently. They are smart options when staying in hotels and traveling though.
College Post Graduate 30 %
College Graduate 37 %
Some College 41 %
High School Graduate or Less 42 %
As for the methodology, they appear to be pretty transparent: http://www.statisticbrain.com/our-methodology/
And sources cited too: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Gallup Inc, Pew Research
There should be a disclaimer: "Information enclosed may not fit with your world view, but that does not mean it is not accurate."I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
30% is hardly an anomolymcgruff10 said:
I have two BA's and a master and own over a dozen firearms. I guess i'm some sort of anomaly.CM189191 said:
The study is inferring there is a correlation between gun ownership and the uneducated. Or, the more educated one is, the less likely they are to own a gun. There is no inference about causation.PJPOWER said:
Are you inferring that the uneducated are criminals? I question the methodology of how those statistics were gathered. Even if they are correct, there is a thousand ways they could be interpreted. One way may be that uneducated people live in poverty stricken neighborhoods at a greater percentage and feel a greater need to arm themselves. But again, I question a valid method of gathering demographic firearm ownership data when a large number of gun owners most likely would not answer firearm related surveys accurately. Unless the surveyors are actually going in and checking houses over...There should be a disclaimer of "these are based on survey answers and may not reflect the truth".CM189191 said:
Gun ownership does decrease as education increasesPJPOWER said:
If you are referring to the standards for being in America, then I mostly agree. That's why law abiding citizens do feel the need to arm themselves.Go Beavers said:
Key word there is smart. It seems like the standards to be in the militia are pretty low. Lot's of dumbasses out there with guns.PJPOWER said:
Sarcasm is funnyrgambs said:No, you guys are right. Biometric safes fly off the shelves so fast that is becoming one of the largest industries in America!
. Safe companies definitely do not seem to be hurting right now...I may be wrong. Besides, not every gun owner needs a biometric type quick access safe. There are plenty of other options out there and everyone's house is built differently. They are smart options when staying in hotels and traveling though.
College Post Graduate 30 %
College Graduate 37 %
Some College 41 %
High School Graduate or Less 42 %
As for the methodology, they appear to be pretty transparent: http://www.statisticbrain.com/our-methodology/
And sources cited too: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Gallup Inc, Pew Research
There should be a disclaimer: "Information enclosed may not fit with your world view, but that does not mean it is not accurate."0 -
Statistic Brain’s corporate policies and procedures dictate that each employee shall aggregate research from multiple sources including: varying news outlets, think tanks and white papers, focus groups, social media, industry standards and benchmarking, subject matter experts (SME’s), internal research, etc.)PJPOWER said:
"We collect data using 4 main methods; Online surveys, Phone surveys, In-Person Interviews, and Direct Mail Questionnaires.CM189191 said:
The study is inferring there is a correlation between gun ownership and the uneducated. Or, the more educated one is, the less likely they are to own a gun. There is no inference about causation.PJPOWER said:
Are you inferring that the uneducated are criminals? I question the methodology of how those statistics were gathered. Even if they are correct, there is a thousand ways they could be interpreted. One way may be that uneducated people live in poverty stricken neighborhoods at a greater percentage and feel a greater need to arm themselves. But again, I question a valid method of gathering demographic firearm ownership data when a large number of gun owners most likely would not answer firearm related surveys accurately. Unless the surveyors are actually going in and checking houses over...There should be a disclaimer of "these are based on survey answers and may not reflect the truth".CM189191 said:
Gun ownership does decrease as education increasesPJPOWER said:
If you are referring to the standards for being in America, then I mostly agree. That's why law abiding citizens do feel the need to arm themselves.Go Beavers said:
Key word there is smart. It seems like the standards to be in the militia are pretty low. Lot's of dumbasses out there with guns.PJPOWER said:
Sarcasm is funnyrgambs said:No, you guys are right. Biometric safes fly off the shelves so fast that is becoming one of the largest industries in America!
. Safe companies definitely do not seem to be hurting right now...I may be wrong. Besides, not every gun owner needs a biometric type quick access safe. There are plenty of other options out there and everyone's house is built differently. They are smart options when staying in hotels and traveling though.
College Post Graduate 30 %
College Graduate 37 %
Some College 41 %
High School Graduate or Less 42 %
As for the methodology, they appear to be pretty transparent: http://www.statisticbrain.com/our-methodology/
And sources cited too: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Gallup Inc, Pew Research
There should be a disclaimer: "Information enclosed may not fit with your world view, but that does not mean it is not accurate."
And I wonder if certain demographics are more inclined to answer these types of surveys accurately? Maybe we should survey and see... For instance, would an educated republican be more inclined or less to answer a gun survey accurately?0 -
Yeah. Gun owners are either stupid or just uneducated, uninformed rednecks living in fear.
Is that about right?If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0 -
Oh yeah, they're all implicit in any crime that anyone commits with a gun.
All have blood on their hands........If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV0
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