America's Gun Violence

PJPOWER said:

rgambs said:

PJPOWER said:

rgambs said:

dudeman said:

rgambs said:

PJPOWER said:

rgambs said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dudeman said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

dudeman said:

So, would you recommend that those people who are distrustful of police purchase guns so that they can protect themselves?

I don't recommend purchasing a gun for protection, but the logic of many of pro-gun folks says yes, people should buy guns to protect themselves from any perceived threat.

For the life of me... I can't understand how people do not understand that the risk of getting killed or injured by a gun increases dramatically after a gun is introduced to a home.

Home invaders are a threat, but nowhere near the threat the gun itself is.

So, you think that people should be able to own guns for self defense but those who choose to exercise their right are idiots?

No. I don't think that.

I'm saying having a gun in your house exponentially increases your odds of a firearm related accident for you or anyone in your house.

I always found this to be an interesting argument. Having a child in the house increases the odds of a child peeing on the floor. Having drain cleaner in the house increases the odds of someone poisoning themselves with drain cleaner. Having sleeping pills in the house increases the odds of a sleeping pill overdose. How do you decrease the odds? Lock shit up! Do not leave your drain cleaner accessible to children, etc. The only way a gun will harm someone unintentionally is due to negligence, as with the sleeping pills, drain cleaner, etc.
I would also argue that having a firearm in the house exponentially increases the odds of your own survival if drugged up armed intruders break in while you are there. Or a few teens armed with knives and brass knuckles as in a recent incident.

Who actually has the capability to secure their guns from children yet still have them quickly accessible for protection from a home invasion.
NOBODY!

Bullshit, there are plenty of quickly accessible biometric or quick release combination safe options out there for just this thing.
https://thegunsafes.net/biometric-gun-safe-reviews/

Yeah, there are.
Too bad NOBODY has one.
Maybe you do. Maybe.

Probably more than 90% of guy owners don't. You know it in your heart even if you won't admit it.

I have biometric and RFID safes. So does everyone I know who owns guns.

Maybe that sounds like science fiction to you but it's reality.

Not science fiction, I know what's​ out there, I'm just realistic about how prevalent theses devices are.

It's realistic to believe they are not prevalent among gang bangers or meth heads, people that are illegally in possession in the first place...but if that's the only place you are getting your world view...you're hangin with the wrong crowd. So, instead of just bitching and moaning, what *realistic approach would you suggest to decrease gun crimes and accidental shootings?

I live among farmers and the Amish smart ass, your gun club buddies who get a chubby over a list of calibers aren't a representative of the average American gun owner any more than the meth heads and gangbangers you'd like to imagine make up the bulk of irresponsible gun owners.

I'm done with this shit, you cloak your irrational paranoias in a patois of reasonable speech to oppose the most sensible and reasonable measures. It is you who is bitching and moaning "oh poo, they will confiscate my precious if they know i have them"
"oh poo, if i cant have whatever gun with whatever feature i want then i might as well just crawl in a hole and die"
"oh poo, if i cant sell my gun to anybody i want without paperwork then I'm dead already anyways"
And so on and so on.

I don't know who you are quoting, but it most definitely is not me. One more sign that you are living in imagination land.

CM189191 said:

reset the clock

rgambs said:

PJPOWER said:

rgambs said:

PJPOWER said:

rgambs said:

dudeman said:

rgambs said:

PJPOWER said:

rgambs said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dudeman said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

dudeman said:

So, would you recommend that those people who are distrustful of police purchase guns so that they can protect themselves?

I don't recommend purchasing a gun for protection, but the logic of many of pro-gun folks says yes, people should buy guns to protect themselves from any perceived threat.

For the life of me... I can't understand how people do not understand that the risk of getting killed or injured by a gun increases dramatically after a gun is introduced to a home.

Home invaders are a threat, but nowhere near the threat the gun itself is.

So, you think that people should be able to own guns for self defense but those who choose to exercise their right are idiots?

No. I don't think that.

I'm saying having a gun in your house exponentially increases your odds of a firearm related accident for you or anyone in your house.

I always found this to be an interesting argument. Having a child in the house increases the odds of a child peeing on the floor. Having drain cleaner in the house increases the odds of someone poisoning themselves with drain cleaner. Having sleeping pills in the house increases the odds of a sleeping pill overdose. How do you decrease the odds? Lock shit up! Do not leave your drain cleaner accessible to children, etc. The only way a gun will harm someone unintentionally is due to negligence, as with the sleeping pills, drain cleaner, etc.
I would also argue that having a firearm in the house exponentially increases the odds of your own survival if drugged up armed intruders break in while you are there. Or a few teens armed with knives and brass knuckles as in a recent incident.

Who actually has the capability to secure their guns from children yet still have them quickly accessible for protection from a home invasion.
NOBODY!

Bullshit, there are plenty of quickly accessible biometric or quick release combination safe options out there for just this thing.
https://thegunsafes.net/biometric-gun-safe-reviews/

Yeah, there are.
Too bad NOBODY has one.
Maybe you do. Maybe.

Probably more than 90% of guy owners don't. You know it in your heart even if you won't admit it.

I have biometric and RFID safes. So does everyone I know who owns guns.

Maybe that sounds like science fiction to you but it's reality.

Not science fiction, I know what's​ out there, I'm just realistic about how prevalent theses devices are.

It's realistic to believe they are not prevalent among gang bangers or meth heads, people that are illegally in possession in the first place...but if that's the only place you are getting your world view...you're hangin with the wrong crowd. So, instead of just bitching and moaning, what *realistic approach would you suggest to decrease gun crimes and accidental shootings?

I live among farmers and the Amish smart ass, your gun club buddies who get a chubby over a list of calibers aren't a representative of the average American gun owner any more than the meth heads and gangbangers you'd like to imagine make up the bulk of irresponsible gun owners.

I'm done with this shit, you cloak your irrational paranoias in a patois of reasonable speech to oppose the most sensible and reasonable measures. It is you who is bitching and moaning "oh poo, they will confiscate my precious if they know i have them"
"oh poo, if i cant have whatever gun with whatever feature i want then i might as well just crawl in a hole and die"
"oh poo, if i cant sell my gun to anybody i want without paperwork then I'm dead already anyways"
And so on and so on.

I don't know who you are quoting, but it most definitely is not me. One more sign that you are living in imagination land.

I didn't realise you support a firearm registry, truly universal background checks, and magazine size regulations.
I was pretty sure you were in the "just enforce the laws we already have".

dudeman said:

rgambs said:

It's tiresome.
I point out that I can sell a gun to a criminal without paperwork.
You say I still broke the law.
I point out that there is no way to prove I did or punish me for it.
I lose track of what obfuscation follows because it is like beating my head off a wall.

It's the same with every control aspect, just beating my head off a wall that conceals it's extremist opinions in measured language.

The fact that there is no way to prove that someone broke the law is exactly the problem. The law is there but no one is enforcing it.

I don't know why that is so difficult for you to understand.