America's Gun Violence

dudeman

Go Beavers said:

dudeman said:

For the most part.

And the part that isn't most?

In the context appropriate to this thread: most police officers are likely trustworthy and willing to protect civilians. The problem is that they are not always present when crimes are committed.

It's unlikely that a criminal is going to stop robbing, stabbing, beating, raping or killing someone while they wait for the police to be called, respond, arrive on the scene and begin their protection duties.

I'm of the opinion that law abiding, responsible citizens should be able to use firearms for protection, especially in their own homes.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

dudeman said:

Go Beavers said:

dudeman said:

For the most part.

And the part that isn't most?

In the context appropriate to this thread: most police officers are likely trustworthy and willing to protect civilians. The problem is that they are not always present when crimes are committed.

It's unlikely that a criminal is going to stop robbing, stabbing, beating, raping or killing someone while they wait for the police to be called, respond, arrive on the scene and begin their protection duties.

I'm of the opinion that law abiding, responsible citizens should be able to use firearms for protection, especially in their own homes.

And I agree with you.

I just disagree with you on what might be necessary to defend yourself with.

dudeman

Fair enough.

I feel that everyone has different physical capabilities, living arrangements and potential risks to their safety. Therefore, I think people should be able to decide for themselves what is right for them.

Go Beavers

dudeman said:

Go Beavers said:

dudeman said:

For the most part.

And the part that isn't most?

In the context appropriate to this thread: most police officers are likely trustworthy and willing to protect civilians. The problem is that they are not always present when crimes are committed.

It's unlikely that a criminal is going to stop robbing, stabbing, beating, raping or killing someone while they wait for the police to be called, respond, arrive on the scene and begin their protection duties.

I'm of the opinion that law abiding, responsible citizens should be able to use firearms for protection, especially in their own homes.

I wasn't necessarily talking about the cops, but citizens. Your comment suggests the trust is a given, but that's not the case with everyone, so the advice of 'do what you're told and everything will be fine' doesn't always hold up.

dudeman

Go Beavers said:

dudeman said:

Go Beavers said:

dudeman said:

For the most part.

And the part that isn't most?

In the context appropriate to this thread: most police officers are likely trustworthy and willing to protect civilians. The problem is that they are not always present when crimes are committed.

It's unlikely that a criminal is going to stop robbing, stabbing, beating, raping or killing someone while they wait for the police to be called, respond, arrive on the scene and begin their protection duties.

I'm of the opinion that law abiding, responsible citizens should be able to use firearms for protection, especially in their own homes.

I wasn't necessarily talking about the cops, but citizens. Your comment suggests the trust is a given, but that's not the case with everyone, so the advice of 'do what you're told and everything will be fine' doesn't always hold up.

Your words, not mine.

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

dudeman said:

For the most part.

And the part that isn't most?

What about the fourth type?

The person that goes to work, does their best, doesn't witness any corruption, and goes home after his shift?

You're outrageous, man. Like... whack.

When you realize that corrupt people make liberty destroying laws and these are the strongarm to enforce those laws....

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Go Beavers said:

dudeman said:

Go Beavers said:

dudeman said:

For the most part.

And the part that isn't most?

In the context appropriate to this thread: most police officers are likely trustworthy and willing to protect civilians. The problem is that they are not always present when crimes are committed.

It's unlikely that a criminal is going to stop robbing, stabbing, beating, raping or killing someone while they wait for the police to be called, respond, arrive on the scene and begin their protection duties.

I'm of the opinion that law abiding, responsible citizens should be able to use firearms for protection, especially in their own homes.

I wasn't necessarily talking about the cops, but citizens. Your comment suggests the trust is a given, but that's not the case with everyone, so the advice of 'do what you're told and everything will be fine' doesn't always hold up.

The videos are pretty scarce of people that have been shot by cops while they were in complete compliance are scarce. Nearly every one I have seen is at the tail end of some wild ride or scuffle. The ones such as Rice demand justice, but the majority of videos place criminals- the same variety Unsung says should be shot by the victim's of crime while engaged in their crime- at the heart of the problem.

You're advice should be: "As soon as you've done all you can to escape detainment and your mentality shifts from fugitive to cooperative... things might not work out the way they would have if you had not tested officers." It's more accurate.

Some people judge police officers with an iron gavel, while at the same time make a 1000 excuses for the idiot that not only commits a crime, but resists arrest as well.

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

dudeman said:

For the most part.

And the part that isn't most?

What about the fourth type?

The person that goes to work, does their best, doesn't witness any corruption, and goes home after his shift?

You're outrageous, man. Like... whack.

Holy crap, were you born yesterday?
Talk about whack. Entire departments found to be acting outside the law all across the country, and you are dying to believe that they are all just Barney Fifes that don't hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

It's "One bad apple spoils the bunch", not "One bad apple is a bummer, nothing to be done about it".

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Lol

Okay you guys win. Cops suck. They're basically criminals with a license to operate with impunity.

Do I got it right? I think I do according to your published perspectives.

oftenreading

unsung said:

Someone is mixing up "literally" and "figuratively" again.

CM189191

unsung said:

I'm so confused
Personal liberties are good
Statism is bad
Nationalism is good
Globalism is bad
What are your thoughts on the galaxy?

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Lol

Okay you guys win. Cops suck. They're basically criminals with a license to operate with impunity.

Do I got it right? I think I do according to your published perspectives.

You're getting there.

Go Beavers

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Lol

Okay you guys win. Cops suck. They're basically criminals with a license to operate with impunity.

Do I got it right? I think I do according to your published perspectives.

I'm not really talking about deciding how many "bad cops" are out there. I'm talking about the perspective and beliefs people have about the police. A large group view the police as trustworthy and they are there to protect us. Another group are distrustful of police, with very good reason. I just ask that people understand the perspective of the population that doesn't trust the cops and where that comes from.

dudeman

So, would you recommend that those people who are distrustful of police purchase guns so that they can protect themselves?

unsung

Go Beavers said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Lol

Okay you guys win. Cops suck. They're basically criminals with a license to operate with impunity.

Do I got it right? I think I do according to your published perspectives.

I'm not really talking about deciding how many "bad cops" are out there. I'm talking about the perspective and beliefs people have about the police. A large group view the police as trustworthy and they are there to protect us. Another group are distrustful of police, with very good reason. I just ask that people understand the perspective of the population that doesn't trust the cops and where that comes from.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

Police have no duty to protect the individual, therefore I must do it myself with whatever means I deem necessary.

Bentleyspop

unsung said:

That is some seriously ignorant sad conspiracy theorist shit right there.
Good for you
But be careful the U.N. is always watching and listening.

Go Beavers

dudeman said:

So, would you recommend that those people who are distrustful of police purchase guns so that they can protect themselves?

I don't recommend purchasing a gun for protection, but the logic of many of pro-gun folks says yes, people should buy guns to protect themselves from any perceived threat.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Go Beavers said:

dudeman said:

So, would you recommend that those people who are distrustful of police purchase guns so that they can protect themselves?

I don't recommend purchasing a gun for protection, but the logic of many of pro-gun folks says yes, people should buy guns to protect themselves from any perceived threat.

For the life of me... I can't understand how people do not understand that the risk of getting killed or injured by a gun increases dramatically after a gun is introduced to a home.

Home invaders are a threat, but nowhere near the threat the gun itself is.

mcgruff10

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

dudeman said:

So, would you recommend that those people who are distrustful of police purchase guns so that they can protect themselves?

I don't recommend purchasing a gun for protection, but the logic of many of pro-gun folks says yes, people should buy guns to protect themselves from any perceived threat.

For the life of me... I can't understand how people do not understand that the risk of getting killed or injured by a gun increases dramatically after a gun is introduced to a home.

Home invaders are a threat, but nowhere near the threat the gun itself is.

I think if you are properly trained and experienced either through hunting or your profession that the risk goes way down. Dirty you and I would never leave a loaded gun around our kids because we have common sense and are experienced with firearms.