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Even Jim Carrey is tweeting about Trump now.Post edited by Thirty Bills Unpaid on"My brain's a good brain!"0
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Eating their own! It's like watching the feeding of guppies to prianas. Or a shart stain.mrussel1 said:Here is the byline on Breitbart... does it shock you that they are blaming Ryan and calling for his replacement? Bannon has been working against Ryan for two years now.
Republican officials in Congress and the White House are now openly discussing finding a GOP replacement to Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) as Speaker of the House, after Ryan failed to pass the American Health Care Act out of the House and misled the public and President Donald Trump when he promised repeatedly the bill would pass.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Put that fucking picture back up you sonuvabitch! That was classic!Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
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We don't know what to do. We're rudderless in a storm of epic proportions. And we've lost our captain. Man overboard. Thus, screw the women and children, it's every rich white man for himself as all we have is a shart stain. God speed.
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Nobody calls me a sonuvabitch... or makes me bleed my own blood.mrussel1 said:
Put that fucking picture back up you sonuvabitch! That was classic!Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
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I only thought I was submitting the link. The picture is awful. I'll try and edit the post.
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LOL!!!Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Nobody calls me a sonuvabitch... or makes me bleed my own blood.mrussel1 said:
Put that fucking picture back up you sonuvabitch! That was classic!Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
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I only thought I was submitting the link. The picture is awful. I'll try and edit the post.I LOVE MUSIC.
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Jim Carrey overrated has beenThirty Bills Unpaid said:Even Jim Carrey is tweeting about Trump now.
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Is the moral of this story that Nancy pelosi is a phenomenal politician?0
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Ask BS as his brilliance is astutely brilliant.Cliffy6745 said:Is the moral of this story that Nancy pelosi is a phenomenal politician?
Ttttttttthhhhhhhppppppttttttttttttt, shart.
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Have you ever had the answer, Herr Comrade Professor?BS44325 said:
I actually don't have the answer right now and I think it remains an open question. The first thing is whether this failure freezes and/or prevents the GOP from moving ahead on other items. It was suggested that Tax reform cannot happen without changes to Obamacare but I have zero idea whether that is true or not. If other agenda items are able to move forward then this shouldn't hurt the GOP too much. The Gorsuch confirmation will certainly be a plus but that cannot be it. Trump was promising bold changes and most specifically with respect to jobs and the economy. In the end "the economy stupid" will be the biggest determination in his and the GOP's future success and/or failure but Obamacare plays a role in that due to it's impact on small business/employment. So there is certainly a chance for harm but it is not the be all and end all "if" they are able to move ahead in other areas. Passing Ryan/Trumpcare just to have a "win" is really a silly way of thinking and I lean more towards the Tom Cotton perspective which is "better to do this right rather than fast". Obamacare was a "win" for Obama which then led to massive electoral defeats...what Republican could want that kind of win? In the short term the narrative of "Trump the deal maker" takes a hit but there should be plenty more deals to make.benjs said:
To me, this was such a predictable scenario. Trump and the Republican Party are two entities who have been using each other so long as it was convenient. From a publicity perspective, once again Trump's handled this brilliantly. If this gets passed, he takes credit for repealing ObamaCare ("I have unified the various levels of government and done what I promised"). If it doesn't, he gets to claim plausible deniability in having any say in the creation of the bill, and Ryan falls on his sword. With the clear harm to ACA subscribers, Trump's move to distance himself from the bill was wise. Trump walks away from this unscathed, Ryan walks away from it looking weaker - but what about the Republicans as a Party? BS, I'm certainly not aware of the 'sectarian' (at a lack of a better term) divisions within the Republican Party, but I'm curious to hear your opinion on whether this harms them.BS44325 said:
I don't see how Ryan survives as speaker.Cliffy6745 said:
Like, I have recently been thinking, maybe I am wrong, maybe they aren't completely dysfunctional and perhaps they know what they are doing (outside of the WH, obviously), but no, nope, they are a bunch of imbecilesmfc2006 said:
it boggles the mindCliffy6745 said:I really cannot believe this is going to fail. 7 years, complete power, the best deal maker ever and they can't get it done.
What is sad to me is that Trump has continued to show that perception and image matter much more to him than quality control (he couldn't master steaks or education, so seeing him endorse what he originally described as a "wonderful" health care plan doesn't hugely surprise me). I don't think that impacts his ability to get things done or gains/loses him any power, but I do feel that it's a net loss for the country.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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The wealthcare bill, a wholly GOP proposal cleared the Ways and Means and the Energy and Commerce committee on party-line votes after marathon sessions in which NO Dem amendments were accepted. ZERO. This failure is all on them.
The OF's oval office post mortem saying that Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Shumer were the real losers here just reinforces how profoundly uninformed he is about how government works. and that he's an idiot.
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I really thought the OF had a death grip on the throat of the US govt, and us by extension but now I see a lot of HYPE followed by failure in his future, just like in his past.
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I'm not on twitter but he must be going nuts this morning no ?
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Nothing out the official communications channel twitter this morning.
You know they let you look at the T without being ON the T.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
that's how I do it.Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180 -
With Ivanka in Aspen, it's going to be a long, LONG weekend at the actual White House .
Maybe the OF can sneak in 18 at Trump National in VA. It's supposed to be 75 degrees today.
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Hmmm. Well what people usually do is look back to history and see what happened to other Presidents under certain circumstances. So with that being said the last time a president lost on a major health care bill in his first term he ended up losing congress, pivoted and governed in a more conservative direction, won re-election and remained relatively popular even under clouds of scandal due to the strength of the economy. A large enough portion of people continued to like him so much that they later nominated the architect of his failed health care plan to run for president herself. Nobody probably anticipated how that would play out the day Clinton Care died. The brilliant recognize what they don't know. You should try it sometime.Halifax2TheMax said:
Have you ever had the answer, Herr Comrade Professor?BS44325 said:
I actually don't have the answer right now and I think it remains an open question. The first thing is whether this failure freezes and/or prevents the GOP from moving ahead on other items. It was suggested that Tax reform cannot happen without changes to Obamacare but I have zero idea whether that is true or not. If other agenda items are able to move forward then this shouldn't hurt the GOP too much. The Gorsuch confirmation will certainly be a plus but that cannot be it. Trump was promising bold changes and most specifically with respect to jobs and the economy. In the end "the economy stupid" will be the biggest determination in his and the GOP's future success and/or failure but Obamacare plays a role in that due to it's impact on small business/employment. So there is certainly a chance for harm but it is not the be all and end all "if" they are able to move ahead in other areas. Passing Ryan/Trumpcare just to have a "win" is really a silly way of thinking and I lean more towards the Tom Cotton perspective which is "better to do this right rather than fast". Obamacare was a "win" for Obama which then led to massive electoral defeats...what Republican could want that kind of win? In the short term the narrative of "Trump the deal maker" takes a hit but there should be plenty more deals to make.benjs said:
To me, this was such a predictable scenario. Trump and the Republican Party are two entities who have been using each other so long as it was convenient. From a publicity perspective, once again Trump's handled this brilliantly. If this gets passed, he takes credit for repealing ObamaCare ("I have unified the various levels of government and done what I promised"). If it doesn't, he gets to claim plausible deniability in having any say in the creation of the bill, and Ryan falls on his sword. With the clear harm to ACA subscribers, Trump's move to distance himself from the bill was wise. Trump walks away from this unscathed, Ryan walks away from it looking weaker - but what about the Republicans as a Party? BS, I'm certainly not aware of the 'sectarian' (at a lack of a better term) divisions within the Republican Party, but I'm curious to hear your opinion on whether this harms them.BS44325 said:
I don't see how Ryan survives as speaker.Cliffy6745 said:
Like, I have recently been thinking, maybe I am wrong, maybe they aren't completely dysfunctional and perhaps they know what they are doing (outside of the WH, obviously), but no, nope, they are a bunch of imbecilesmfc2006 said:
it boggles the mindCliffy6745 said:I really cannot believe this is going to fail. 7 years, complete power, the best deal maker ever and they can't get it done.
What is sad to me is that Trump has continued to show that perception and image matter much more to him than quality control (he couldn't master steaks or education, so seeing him endorse what he originally described as a "wonderful" health care plan doesn't hugely surprise me). I don't think that impacts his ability to get things done or gains/loses him any power, but I do feel that it's a net loss for the country.0 -
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! And despite that? We beat you! Shart he blows!BS44325 said:
Hmmm. Well what people usually do is look back to history and see what happened to other Presidents under certain circumstances. So with that being said the last time a president lost on a major health care bill in his first term he ended up losing congress, pivoted and governed in a more conservative direction, won re-election and remained relatively popular even under clouds of scandal due to the strength of the economy. A large enough portion of people continued to like him so much that they later nominated the architect of his failed health care plan to run for president herself. Nobody probably anticipated how that would play out the day Clinton Care died. The brilliant recognize what they don't know. You should try it sometime.Halifax2TheMax said:
Have you ever had the answer, Herr Comrade Professor?BS44325 said:
I actually don't have the answer right now and I think it remains an open question. The first thing is whether this failure freezes and/or prevents the GOP from moving ahead on other items. It was suggested that Tax reform cannot happen without changes to Obamacare but I have zero idea whether that is true or not. If other agenda items are able to move forward then this shouldn't hurt the GOP too much. The Gorsuch confirmation will certainly be a plus but that cannot be it. Trump was promising bold changes and most specifically with respect to jobs and the economy. In the end "the economy stupid" will be the biggest determination in his and the GOP's future success and/or failure but Obamacare plays a role in that due to it's impact on small business/employment. So there is certainly a chance for harm but it is not the be all and end all "if" they are able to move ahead in other areas. Passing Ryan/Trumpcare just to have a "win" is really a silly way of thinking and I lean more towards the Tom Cotton perspective which is "better to do this right rather than fast". Obamacare was a "win" for Obama which then led to massive electoral defeats...what Republican could want that kind of win? In the short term the narrative of "Trump the deal maker" takes a hit but there should be plenty more deals to make.benjs said:
To me, this was such a predictable scenario. Trump and the Republican Party are two entities who have been using each other so long as it was convenient. From a publicity perspective, once again Trump's handled this brilliantly. If this gets passed, he takes credit for repealing ObamaCare ("I have unified the various levels of government and done what I promised"). If it doesn't, he gets to claim plausible deniability in having any say in the creation of the bill, and Ryan falls on his sword. With the clear harm to ACA subscribers, Trump's move to distance himself from the bill was wise. Trump walks away from this unscathed, Ryan walks away from it looking weaker - but what about the Republicans as a Party? BS, I'm certainly not aware of the 'sectarian' (at a lack of a better term) divisions within the Republican Party, but I'm curious to hear your opinion on whether this harms them.BS44325 said:
I don't see how Ryan survives as speaker.Cliffy6745 said:
Like, I have recently been thinking, maybe I am wrong, maybe they aren't completely dysfunctional and perhaps they know what they are doing (outside of the WH, obviously), but no, nope, they are a bunch of imbecilesmfc2006 said:
it boggles the mindCliffy6745 said:I really cannot believe this is going to fail. 7 years, complete power, the best deal maker ever and they can't get it done.
What is sad to me is that Trump has continued to show that perception and image matter much more to him than quality control (he couldn't master steaks or education, so seeing him endorse what he originally described as a "wonderful" health care plan doesn't hugely surprise me). I don't think that impacts his ability to get things done or gains/loses him any power, but I do feel that it's a net loss for the country.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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