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Please...... the house is on fire & you're crying about the smoke alarms & who called the fire department.BS44325 said:
Blaming Obama for the corruption in the current admin? Is that what is happening? Clearly another person who can't read.Merkin Baller said:
...... says the guy trying to blame Obama for the corruption in the current admin. Talk about a broken record.BS44325 said:
Not expecting the results of the election is embarrassing. Remember when you all used to believe that? Now you have all taken a complete 180 on the Obama/Clinton Russian foreign policy. The only thing that has gained momentum are the conspiracy theories. Nothing else has changed. No new info has been revealed. If it comes I will listen but for now I'll stick with Clapper, Morrell, Rogers and Comey's analysis of the situation over the AMT. Bring some real evidence...otherwise you're all just a broken record.Merkin Baller said:
Oh, you see the forest AND the trees, do you? Of course you do, you’re woke AF.BS44325 said:
I see the forest and I see the trees. You only see the russian bear in the woods.Merkin Baller said:
Whatever you say genius.BS44325 said:
Another guy who can't keep two concepts in his head at once. Behaviour by one person does not discount behaviour of another. Currently no evidence of "treason by Trump". Currently no evidence of spying conducted by Obama. All we have is the back and forth of accusations against affiliates. I am the one on here who accepts the possibility of illegal actions by both. The rest of you are singularly focused. Don't have the brain capacity to entertain ideas that run counter to your narrative. Can't compute. Can't compute. Still too damaged by the Trump victory.Merkin Baller said:
I think you may be glossing over a few differences in the stories, but that's ok. You're very busy trying to blame Trump's treasonous behavior on Obama Obama Obama, so I'll cut you some slack.BS44325 said:
Breaking news? That story is almost 1 year old.Merkin Baller said:I'm sure this will be good for team Trump.
Follow the rubles.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-campaign-chief-ducks-questions-about-214020365.html
Reduce, reuse, recycle.
Trump & his people keep getting caught up in lie after lie after lie & you're pushing his theories intended to distract & obfuscate reality like a good little lemming. It's almost as if you're not capable of seeing the forest for the trees.
Obama Obama Obama
You also predicted the Russia story was going away. How’s that working out for ya?
Not so good, it’s only gained momentum, but that’s ok. You’re more than happy to push the distraction Herr Trump has laid out for his followers, eh? You’re a good little lemming, and cognitive dissonance is a wonderful thing.
It’s all phony, right Holden?
Obama Obama Obama
Follow the rubles.
EDIT: Do you realize what a stupid analogy the bear is? Let's all ignore the perceived threat and hope it isn't real.
Your mind is wrapped into a pretzel, stop embarrassing yourself.
Obama Obama Obama
You're embarrassing yourself.
Deflect, distract, deny.
You're a good little lemming.0 -
Bernie once wanted to know?
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/letter-to-nsa?id=EEE1F3B1-9DD4-4CDB-96FC-D2A145709A9C&download=1&inline=file
The AMT has become the land of unfettered surveillance and Russia hawks! The quick turnaround is fascinatingly impressive.0 -
Be careful with broad generalizations.. or generalizations about broads. Both are dangerous.BS44325 said:Bernie once wanted to know?
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/letter-to-nsa?id=EEE1F3B1-9DD4-4CDB-96FC-D2A145709A9C&download=1&inline=file
The AMT has become the land of unfettered surveillance and Russia hawks! The quick turnaround is fascinatingly impressive.0 -
I am not sure what you mean by that last line.BS44325 said:Bernie once wanted to know?
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/letter-to-nsa?id=EEE1F3B1-9DD4-4CDB-96FC-D2A145709A9C&download=1&inline=file
The AMT has become the land of unfettered surveillance and Russia hawks! The quick turnaround is fascinatingly impressive.
The NSA.... not cool. I agree that the NSA has been given the okay to be totally out of control, which is pretty sinister. Obama was good in many ways IMO, but how he handled the whole NSA thing during his terms was one of my biggest complaints against him.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
This must confuse the hell out of BS, who saw nothing improper or irregular about Nunes' actions yesterday. It sure got the attention of the Oversight Committee. But again, nothing improper.mrussel1 said:
The first step in acquiescing to political pressure...BS44325 said:
Blaming Obama for the corruption in the current admin? Is that what is happening? Clearly another person who can't read.Merkin Baller said:
...... says the guy trying to blame Obama for the corruption in the current admin. Talk about a broken record.BS44325 said:
Not expecting the results of the election is embarrassing. Remember when you all used to believe that? Now you have all taken a complete 180 on the Obama/Clinton Russian foreign policy. The only thing that has gained momentum are the conspiracy theories. Nothing else has changed. No new info has been revealed. If it comes I will listen but for now I'll stick with Clapper, Morrell, Rogers and Comey's analysis of the situation over the AMT. Bring some real evidence...otherwise you're all just a broken record.Merkin Baller said:
Oh, you see the forest AND the trees, do you? Of course you do, you’re woke AF.BS44325 said:
I see the forest and I see the trees. You only see the russian bear in the woods.Merkin Baller said:
Whatever you say genius.BS44325 said:
Another guy who can't keep two concepts in his head at once. Behaviour by one person does not discount behaviour of another. Currently no evidence of "treason by Trump". Currently no evidence of spying conducted by Obama. All we have is the back and forth of accusations against affiliates. I am the one on here who accepts the possibility of illegal actions by both. The rest of you are singularly focused. Don't have the brain capacity to entertain ideas that run counter to your narrative. Can't compute. Can't compute. Still too damaged by the Trump victory.Merkin Baller said:
I think you may be glossing over a few differences in the stories, but that's ok. You're very busy trying to blame Trump's treasonous behavior on Obama Obama Obama, so I'll cut you some slack.BS44325 said:
Breaking news? That story is almost 1 year old.Merkin Baller said:I'm sure this will be good for team Trump.
Follow the rubles.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-campaign-chief-ducks-questions-about-214020365.html
Reduce, reuse, recycle.
Trump & his people keep getting caught up in lie after lie after lie & you're pushing his theories intended to distract & obfuscate reality like a good little lemming. It's almost as if you're not capable of seeing the forest for the trees.
Obama Obama Obama
You also predicted the Russia story was going away. How’s that working out for ya?
Not so good, it’s only gained momentum, but that’s ok. You’re more than happy to push the distraction Herr Trump has laid out for his followers, eh? You’re a good little lemming, and cognitive dissonance is a wonderful thing.
It’s all phony, right Holden?
Obama Obama Obama
Follow the rubles.
EDIT: Do you realize what a stupid analogy the bear is? Let's all ignore the perceived threat and hope it isn't real.
Your mind is wrapped into a pretzel, stop embarrassing yourself.
Obama Obama Obama
You're embarrassing yourself.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/nunes-apologizes-after-going-directly-to-white-house-with-monitoring-claims-236415
But let's not argue about my use of the word irregular, which BS objected to. Let's hear what a former Intelligence Committee counsel said about it:MSNBC security analyst Jeremy Bash noted that he served as counsel to the House Intelligence Committee in the past while pointing out that he “never heard of a chairman of an oversight committee going to brief the President of the United States about concerns he had about things he read in an intelligence report.”
Perhaps instead of saying irregular I should have said unprecedented. Either way BS, you're on the wrong side of this one. I usually appreciate your opposing analysis and opinions and from time to time agree with them, but this was a swing and a miss for you.
"The job of the committee is to do oversight of the executive branch,” Bash exclaimed. “Not to bring them into their investigation or to tip them off to things they may be looking at.”
He continued, “I’ve gotta believe that other members of the committee are horrified at what they just witnessed. This is a chairman that’s supposed to be doing impartial, bipartisan investigations of the president’s inner circle and instead he basically goes and tells the president and his team everything he knows.”"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
Perhaps instead of saying irregular I should have said unprecedented. Either way BS, you're on the wrong side of this one. I usually appreciate your opposing analysis and opinions and from time to time agree with them, but this was a swing and a miss for you.jeffbr said:
This must confuse the hell out of BS, who saw nothing improper or irregular about Nunes' actions yesterday. It sure got the attention of the Oversight Committee. But again, nothing improper.mrussel1 said:
The first step in acquiescing to political pressure...BS44325 said:
Blaming Obama for the corruption in the current admin? Is that what is happening? Clearly another person who can't read.Merkin Baller said:
...... says the guy trying to blame Obama for the corruption in the current admin. Talk about a broken record.BS44325 said:
Not expecting the results of the election is embarrassing. Remember when you all used to believe that? Now you have all taken a complete 180 on the Obama/Clinton Russian foreign policy. The only thing that has gained momentum are the conspiracy theories. Nothing else has changed. No new info has been revealed. If it comes I will listen but for now I'll stick with Clapper, Morrell, Rogers and Comey's analysis of the situation over the AMT. Bring some real evidence...otherwise you're all just a broken record.Merkin Baller said:
Oh, you see the forest AND the trees, do you? Of course you do, you’re woke AF.BS44325 said:
I see the forest and I see the trees. You only see the russian bear in the woods.Merkin Baller said:
Whatever you say genius.BS44325 said:
Another guy who can't keep two concepts in his head at once. Behaviour by one person does not discount behaviour of another. Currently no evidence of "treason by Trump". Currently no evidence of spying conducted by Obama. All we have is the back and forth of accusations against affiliates. I am the one on here who accepts the possibility of illegal actions by both. The rest of you are singularly focused. Don't have the brain capacity to entertain ideas that run counter to your narrative. Can't compute. Can't compute. Still too damaged by the Trump victory.Merkin Baller said:
I think you may be glossing over a few differences in the stories, but that's ok. You're very busy trying to blame Trump's treasonous behavior on Obama Obama Obama, so I'll cut you some slack.BS44325 said:
Breaking news? That story is almost 1 year old.Merkin Baller said:I'm sure this will be good for team Trump.
Follow the rubles.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-campaign-chief-ducks-questions-about-214020365.html
Reduce, reuse, recycle.
Trump & his people keep getting caught up in lie after lie after lie & you're pushing his theories intended to distract & obfuscate reality like a good little lemming. It's almost as if you're not capable of seeing the forest for the trees.
Obama Obama Obama
You also predicted the Russia story was going away. How’s that working out for ya?
Not so good, it’s only gained momentum, but that’s ok. You’re more than happy to push the distraction Herr Trump has laid out for his followers, eh? You’re a good little lemming, and cognitive dissonance is a wonderful thing.
It’s all phony, right Holden?
Obama Obama Obama
Follow the rubles.
EDIT: Do you realize what a stupid analogy the bear is? Let's all ignore the perceived threat and hope it isn't real.
Your mind is wrapped into a pretzel, stop embarrassing yourself.
Obama Obama Obama
You're embarrassing yourself.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/nunes-apologizes-after-going-directly-to-white-house-with-monitoring-claims-236415
But let's not argue about my use of the word irregular, which BS objected to. Let's hear what a former Intelligence Committee counsel said about it:MSNBC security analyst Jeremy Bash noted that he served as counsel to the House Intelligence Committee in the past while pointing out that he “never heard of a chairman of an oversight committee going to brief the President of the United States about concerns he had about things he read in an intelligence report.”
"The job of the committee is to do oversight of the executive branch,” Bash exclaimed. “Not to bring them into their investigation or to tip them off to things they may be looking at.”
He continued, “I’ve gotta believe that other members of the committee are horrified at what they just witnessed. This is a chairman that’s supposed to be doing impartial, bipartisan investigations of the president’s inner circle and instead he basically goes and tells the president and his team everything he knows.”
Yeah, and considering Nunes turned around & apologized today, it's safe to say BS missed by a mile.0 -
To the neocon, all of Trump's irregularities are regular. And I'm not talking Metamucil.
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Neoconservatism is essentially incompatible with nationalism. When the neocons defend Trump, it's clear that it's never about principle, rather the letter next to the name. Democrats have the same issue.Halifax2TheMax said:To the neocon, all of Trump's irregularities are regular. And I'm not talking Metamucil.
Follow the money, from Russia with love, all the way to impeachment.0 -
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https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/obama-breaks-his-silence-before-trumpcare-vote?utm_source=viceinstausBristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180 -
Fair. You actually have been pretty consistent on this.PJ_Soul said:
I am not sure what you mean by that last line.BS44325 said:Bernie once wanted to know?
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/letter-to-nsa?id=EEE1F3B1-9DD4-4CDB-96FC-D2A145709A9C&download=1&inline=file
The AMT has become the land of unfettered surveillance and Russia hawks! The quick turnaround is fascinatingly impressive.
The NSA.... not cool. I agree that the NSA has been given the okay to be totally out of control, which is pretty sinister. Obama was good in many ways IMO, but how he handled the whole NSA thing during his terms was one of my biggest complaints against him.0 -
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Don't bother...Halifax will not understand that difference. On this point though you are making a broad generalization yourself. I haven't changed my neocon stripes and I am not defending him on points of "nationalism". I am defending him on certain topics. My foreign policy views have not changed and if anything Trump has bending more towards the neocon hawks rather then the other way around.mrussel1 said:
Neoconservatism is essentially incompatible with nationalism. When the neocons defend Trump, it's clear that it's never about principle, rather the letter next to the name. Democrats have the same issue.Halifax2TheMax said:To the neocon, all of Trump's irregularities are regular. And I'm not talking Metamucil.
Follow the money, from Russia with love, all the way to impeachment.0 -
Yeah, and considering Nunes turned around & apologized today, it's safe to say BS missed by a mile.Merkin Baller said:
Perhaps instead of saying irregular I should have said unprecedented. Either way BS, you're on the wrong side of this one. I usually appreciate your opposing analysis and opinions and from time to time agree with them, but this was a swing and a miss for you.jeffbr said:
This must confuse the hell out of BS, who saw nothing improper or irregular about Nunes' actions yesterday. It sure got the attention of the Oversight Committee. But again, nothing improper.mrussel1 said:
The first step in acquiescing to political pressure...BS44325 said:
Blaming Obama for the corruption in the current admin? Is that what is happening? Clearly another person who can't read.Merkin Baller said:
...... says the guy trying to blame Obama for the corruption in the current admin. Talk about a broken record.BS44325 said:
Not expecting the results of the election is embarrassing. Remember when you all used to believe that? Now you have all taken a complete 180 on the Obama/Clinton Russian foreign policy. The only thing that has gained momentum are the conspiracy theories. Nothing else has changed. No new info has been revealed. If it comes I will listen but for now I'll stick with Clapper, Morrell, Rogers and Comey's analysis of the situation over the AMT. Bring some real evidence...otherwise you're all just a broken record.Merkin Baller said:
Oh, you see the forest AND the trees, do you? Of course you do, you’re woke AF.BS44325 said:
I see the forest and I see the trees. You only see the russian bear in the woods.Merkin Baller said:
Whatever you say genius.BS44325 said:
Another guy who can't keep two concepts in his head at once. Behaviour by one person does not discount behaviour of another. Currently no evidence of "treason by Trump". Currently no evidence of spying conducted by Obama. All we have is the back and forth of accusations against affiliates. I am the one on here who accepts the possibility of illegal actions by both. The rest of you are singularly focused. Don't have the brain capacity to entertain ideas that run counter to your narrative. Can't compute. Can't compute. Still too damaged by the Trump victory.Merkin Baller said:
I think you may be glossing over a few differences in the stories, but that's ok. You're very busy trying to blame Trump's treasonous behavior on Obama Obama Obama, so I'll cut you some slack.BS44325 said:
Breaking news? That story is almost 1 year old.Merkin Baller said:I'm sure this will be good for team Trump.
Follow the rubles.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-campaign-chief-ducks-questions-about-214020365.html
Reduce, reuse, recycle.
Trump & his people keep getting caught up in lie after lie after lie & you're pushing his theories intended to distract & obfuscate reality like a good little lemming. It's almost as if you're not capable of seeing the forest for the trees.
Obama Obama Obama
You also predicted the Russia story was going away. How’s that working out for ya?
Not so good, it’s only gained momentum, but that’s ok. You’re more than happy to push the distraction Herr Trump has laid out for his followers, eh? You’re a good little lemming, and cognitive dissonance is a wonderful thing.
It’s all phony, right Holden?
Obama Obama Obama
Follow the rubles.
EDIT: Do you realize what a stupid analogy the bear is? Let's all ignore the perceived threat and hope it isn't real.
Your mind is wrapped into a pretzel, stop embarrassing yourself.
Obama Obama Obama
You're embarrassing yourself.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/nunes-apologizes-after-going-directly-to-white-house-with-monitoring-claims-236415
But let's not argue about my use of the word irregular, which BS objected to. Let's hear what a former Intelligence Committee counsel said about it:MSNBC security analyst Jeremy Bash noted that he served as counsel to the House Intelligence Committee in the past while pointing out that he “never heard of a chairman of an oversight committee going to brief the President of the United States about concerns he had about things he read in an intelligence report.”
"The job of the committee is to do oversight of the executive branch,” Bash exclaimed. “Not to bring them into their investigation or to tip them off to things they may be looking at.”
He continued, “I’ve gotta believe that other members of the committee are horrified at what they just witnessed. This is a chairman that’s supposed to be doing impartial, bipartisan investigations of the president’s inner circle and instead he basically goes and tells the president and his team everything he knows.”
I'm not so sure. We are in uncharted waters here. Again...a lot of this comes down to what info Nunes has. None of us have this answer and yet many are making a million assumptions. I see zero reason why evidence of improper surveillance should not be made available to the President. The press conference is another story but then people would wonder what their meeting was about wouldn't they? Democrats like Senator Coons can go on tv and say they have transcripts of conversations between Russians and members of the Trump team but Nunes can't do the exact same thing? Bullshit.0 -
I'm not so sure. We are in uncharted waters here. Again...a lot of this comes down to what info Nunes has. None of us have this answer and yet many are making a million assumptions. I see zero reason why evidence of improper surveillance should not be made available to the President. The press conference is another story but then people would wonder what their meeting was about wouldn't they? Democrats like Senator Coons can go on tv and say they have transcripts of conversations between Russians and members of the Trump team but Nunes can't do the exact same thing? Bullshit.BS44325 said:
Yeah, and considering Nunes turned around & apologized today, it's safe to say BS missed by a mile.Merkin Baller said:
Perhaps instead of saying irregular I should have said unprecedented. Either way BS, you're on the wrong side of this one. I usually appreciate your opposing analysis and opinions and from time to time agree with them, but this was a swing and a miss for you.jeffbr said:
This must confuse the hell out of BS, who saw nothing improper or irregular about Nunes' actions yesterday. It sure got the attention of the Oversight Committee. But again, nothing improper.mrussel1 said:
The first step in acquiescing to political pressure...BS44325 said:
Blaming Obama for the corruption in the current admin? Is that what is happening? Clearly another person who can't read.Merkin Baller said:
...... says the guy trying to blame Obama for the corruption in the current admin. Talk about a broken record.BS44325 said:
Not expecting the results of the election is embarrassing. Remember when you all used to believe that? Now you have all taken a complete 180 on the Obama/Clinton Russian foreign policy. The only thing that has gained momentum are the conspiracy theories. Nothing else has changed. No new info has been revealed. If it comes I will listen but for now I'll stick with Clapper, Morrell, Rogers and Comey's analysis of the situation over the AMT. Bring some real evidence...otherwise you're all just a broken record.Merkin Baller said:
Oh, you see the forest AND the trees, do you? Of course you do, you’re woke AF.BS44325 said:
I see the forest and I see the trees. You only see the russian bear in the woods.Merkin Baller said:
Whatever you say genius.BS44325 said:
Another guy who can't keep two concepts in his head at once. Behaviour by one person does not discount behaviour of another. Currently no evidence of "treason by Trump". Currently no evidence of spying conducted by Obama. All we have is the back and forth of accusations against affiliates. I am the one on here who accepts the possibility of illegal actions by both. The rest of you are singularly focused. Don't have the brain capacity to entertain ideas that run counter to your narrative. Can't compute. Can't compute. Still too damaged by the Trump victory.Merkin Baller said:
I think you may be glossing over a few differences in the stories, but that's ok. You're very busy trying to blame Trump's treasonous behavior on Obama Obama Obama, so I'll cut you some slack.BS44325 said:
Breaking news? That story is almost 1 year old.Merkin Baller said:I'm sure this will be good for team Trump.
Follow the rubles.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-campaign-chief-ducks-questions-about-214020365.html
Reduce, reuse, recycle.
Trump & his people keep getting caught up in lie after lie after lie & you're pushing his theories intended to distract & obfuscate reality like a good little lemming. It's almost as if you're not capable of seeing the forest for the trees.
Obama Obama Obama
You also predicted the Russia story was going away. How’s that working out for ya?
Not so good, it’s only gained momentum, but that’s ok. You’re more than happy to push the distraction Herr Trump has laid out for his followers, eh? You’re a good little lemming, and cognitive dissonance is a wonderful thing.
It’s all phony, right Holden?
Obama Obama Obama
Follow the rubles.
EDIT: Do you realize what a stupid analogy the bear is? Let's all ignore the perceived threat and hope it isn't real.
Your mind is wrapped into a pretzel, stop embarrassing yourself.
Obama Obama Obama
You're embarrassing yourself.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/nunes-apologizes-after-going-directly-to-white-house-with-monitoring-claims-236415
But let's not argue about my use of the word irregular, which BS objected to. Let's hear what a former Intelligence Committee counsel said about it:MSNBC security analyst Jeremy Bash noted that he served as counsel to the House Intelligence Committee in the past while pointing out that he “never heard of a chairman of an oversight committee going to brief the President of the United States about concerns he had about things he read in an intelligence report.”
"The job of the committee is to do oversight of the executive branch,” Bash exclaimed. “Not to bring them into their investigation or to tip them off to things they may be looking at.”
He continued, “I’ve gotta believe that other members of the committee are horrified at what they just witnessed. This is a chairman that’s supposed to be doing impartial, bipartisan investigations of the president’s inner circle and instead he basically goes and tells the president and his team everything he knows.”
Except in his press conference he said that the surveillance was legal and not "improper" so I think you are missing the point.0 -
Except in his press conference he said that the surveillance was legal and not "improper" so I think you are missing the point.cottagesteeze said:
I'm not so sure. We are in uncharted waters here. Again...a lot of this comes down to what info Nunes has. None of us have this answer and yet many are making a million assumptions. I see zero reason why evidence of improper surveillance should not be made available to the President. The press conference is another story but then people would wonder what their meeting was about wouldn't they? Democrats like Senator Coons can go on tv and say they have transcripts of conversations between Russians and members of the Trump team but Nunes can't do the exact same thing? Bullshit.BS44325 said:
Yeah, and considering Nunes turned around & apologized today, it's safe to say BS missed by a mile.Merkin Baller said:
Perhaps instead of saying irregular I should have said unprecedented. Either way BS, you're on the wrong side of this one. I usually appreciate your opposing analysis and opinions and from time to time agree with them, but this was a swing and a miss for you.jeffbr said:
This must confuse the hell out of BS, who saw nothing improper or irregular about Nunes' actions yesterday. It sure got the attention of the Oversight Committee. But again, nothing improper.mrussel1 said:
The first step in acquiescing to political pressure...BS44325 said:
Blaming Obama for the corruption in the current admin? Is that what is happening? Clearly another person who can't read.Merkin Baller said:
...... says the guy trying to blame Obama for the corruption in the current admin. Talk about a broken record.BS44325 said:
Not expecting the results of the election is embarrassing. Remember when you all used to believe that? Now you have all taken a complete 180 on the Obama/Clinton Russian foreign policy. The only thing that has gained momentum are the conspiracy theories. Nothing else has changed. No new info has been revealed. If it comes I will listen but for now I'll stick with Clapper, Morrell, Rogers and Comey's analysis of the situation over the AMT. Bring some real evidence...otherwise you're all just a broken record.Merkin Baller said:
Oh, you see the forest AND the trees, do you? Of course you do, you’re woke AF.BS44325 said:
I see the forest and I see the trees. You only see the russian bear in the woods.Merkin Baller said:
Whatever you say genius.BS44325 said:
Another guy who can't keep two concepts in his head at once. Behaviour by one person does not discount behaviour of another. Currently no evidence of "treason by Trump". Currently no evidence of spying conducted by Obama. All we have is the back and forth of accusations against affiliates. I am the one on here who accepts the possibility of illegal actions by both. The rest of you are singularly focused. Don't have the brain capacity to entertain ideas that run counter to your narrative. Can't compute. Can't compute. Still too damaged by the Trump victory.Merkin Baller said:
I think you may be glossing over a few differences in the stories, but that's ok. You're very busy trying to blame Trump's treasonous behavior on Obama Obama Obama, so I'll cut you some slack.BS44325 said:
Breaking news? That story is almost 1 year old.Merkin Baller said:I'm sure this will be good for team Trump.
Follow the rubles.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-campaign-chief-ducks-questions-about-214020365.html
Reduce, reuse, recycle.
Trump & his people keep getting caught up in lie after lie after lie & you're pushing his theories intended to distract & obfuscate reality like a good little lemming. It's almost as if you're not capable of seeing the forest for the trees.
Obama Obama Obama
You also predicted the Russia story was going away. How’s that working out for ya?
Not so good, it’s only gained momentum, but that’s ok. You’re more than happy to push the distraction Herr Trump has laid out for his followers, eh? You’re a good little lemming, and cognitive dissonance is a wonderful thing.
It’s all phony, right Holden?
Obama Obama Obama
Follow the rubles.
EDIT: Do you realize what a stupid analogy the bear is? Let's all ignore the perceived threat and hope it isn't real.
Your mind is wrapped into a pretzel, stop embarrassing yourself.
Obama Obama Obama
You're embarrassing yourself.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/nunes-apologizes-after-going-directly-to-white-house-with-monitoring-claims-236415
But let's not argue about my use of the word irregular, which BS objected to. Let's hear what a former Intelligence Committee counsel said about it:MSNBC security analyst Jeremy Bash noted that he served as counsel to the House Intelligence Committee in the past while pointing out that he “never heard of a chairman of an oversight committee going to brief the President of the United States about concerns he had about things he read in an intelligence report.”
"The job of the committee is to do oversight of the executive branch,” Bash exclaimed. “Not to bring them into their investigation or to tip them off to things they may be looking at.”
He continued, “I’ve gotta believe that other members of the committee are horrified at what they just witnessed. This is a chairman that’s supposed to be doing impartial, bipartisan investigations of the president’s inner circle and instead he basically goes and tells the president and his team everything he knows.”
No sir. You are missing the point. The "improper" came in the usage and dissemination of the data collected.
Best to stay current with Andrew McCarthy who covers the legal aspects of this all
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446024/devin-nunes-fbi-director-james-comey-house-intelligence-committee-russia-2016-election-trump
Also this guy might understand the Watergate comparisons
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bob-woodward-obama-officials-possibly-facing-criminal-charges-for-unmasking-scheme/article/2618185?custom_click=rss0 -
I'm not so sure. We are in uncharted waters here. Again...a lot of this comes down to what info Nunes has. None of us have this answer and yet many are making a million assumptions. I see zero reason why evidence of improper surveillance should not be made available to the President. The press conference is another story but then people would wonder what their meeting was about wouldn't they? Democrats like Senator Coons can go on tv and say they have transcripts of conversations between Russians and members of the Trump team but Nunes can't do the exact same thing? Bullshit.BS44325 said:
Yeah, and considering Nunes turned around & apologized today, it's safe to say BS missed by a mile.Merkin Baller said:
Perhaps instead of saying irregular I should have said unprecedented. Either way BS, you're on the wrong side of this one. I usually appreciate your opposing analysis and opinions and from time to time agree with them, but this was a swing and a miss for you.jeffbr said:
This must confuse the hell out of BS, who saw nothing improper or irregular about Nunes' actions yesterday. It sure got the attention of the Oversight Committee. But again, nothing improper.mrussel1 said:
The first step in acquiescing to political pressure...BS44325 said:
Blaming Obama for the corruption in the current admin? Is that what is happening? Clearly another person who can't read.Merkin Baller said:
...... says the guy trying to blame Obama for the corruption in the current admin. Talk about a broken record.BS44325 said:
Not expecting the results of the election is embarrassing. Remember when you all used to believe that? Now you have all taken a complete 180 on the Obama/Clinton Russian foreign policy. The only thing that has gained momentum are the conspiracy theories. Nothing else has changed. No new info has been revealed. If it comes I will listen but for now I'll stick with Clapper, Morrell, Rogers and Comey's analysis of the situation over the AMT. Bring some real evidence...otherwise you're all just a broken record.Merkin Baller said:
Oh, you see the forest AND the trees, do you? Of course you do, you’re woke AF.BS44325 said:
I see the forest and I see the trees. You only see the russian bear in the woods.Merkin Baller said:
Whatever you say genius.BS44325 said:
Another guy who can't keep two concepts in his head at once. Behaviour by one person does not discount behaviour of another. Currently no evidence of "treason by Trump". Currently no evidence of spying conducted by Obama. All we have is the back and forth of accusations against affiliates. I am the one on here who accepts the possibility of illegal actions by both. The rest of you are singularly focused. Don't have the brain capacity to entertain ideas that run counter to your narrative. Can't compute. Can't compute. Still too damaged by the Trump victory.Merkin Baller said:
I think you may be glossing over a few differences in the stories, but that's ok. You're very busy trying to blame Trump's treasonous behavior on Obama Obama Obama, so I'll cut you some slack.BS44325 said:
Breaking news? That story is almost 1 year old.Merkin Baller said:I'm sure this will be good for team Trump.
Follow the rubles.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-campaign-chief-ducks-questions-about-214020365.html
Reduce, reuse, recycle.
Trump & his people keep getting caught up in lie after lie after lie & you're pushing his theories intended to distract & obfuscate reality like a good little lemming. It's almost as if you're not capable of seeing the forest for the trees.
Obama Obama Obama
You also predicted the Russia story was going away. How’s that working out for ya?
Not so good, it’s only gained momentum, but that’s ok. You’re more than happy to push the distraction Herr Trump has laid out for his followers, eh? You’re a good little lemming, and cognitive dissonance is a wonderful thing.
It’s all phony, right Holden?
Obama Obama Obama
Follow the rubles.
EDIT: Do you realize what a stupid analogy the bear is? Let's all ignore the perceived threat and hope it isn't real.
Your mind is wrapped into a pretzel, stop embarrassing yourself.
Obama Obama Obama
You're embarrassing yourself.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/nunes-apologizes-after-going-directly-to-white-house-with-monitoring-claims-236415
But let's not argue about my use of the word irregular, which BS objected to. Let's hear what a former Intelligence Committee counsel said about it:MSNBC security analyst Jeremy Bash noted that he served as counsel to the House Intelligence Committee in the past while pointing out that he “never heard of a chairman of an oversight committee going to brief the President of the United States about concerns he had about things he read in an intelligence report.”
"The job of the committee is to do oversight of the executive branch,” Bash exclaimed. “Not to bring them into their investigation or to tip them off to things they may be looking at.”
He continued, “I’ve gotta believe that other members of the committee are horrified at what they just witnessed. This is a chairman that’s supposed to be doing impartial, bipartisan investigations of the president’s inner circle and instead he basically goes and tells the president and his team everything he knows.”
Congress is inherently a check on the executive branch. So when the chair runs to the WH to share information on a subject that directly involves the WH (and the broader team), well that is really a violation of the spirit of the separation of powers.0 -
I'm actually talking about all the apologists on the NRO, like McCarthy and others.BS44325 said:
Don't bother...Halifax will not understand that difference. On this point though you are making a broad generalization yourself. I haven't changed my neocon stripes and I am not defending him on points of "nationalism". I am defending him on certain topics. My foreign policy views have not changed and if anything Trump has bending more towards the neocon hawks rather then the other way around.mrussel1 said:
Neoconservatism is essentially incompatible with nationalism. When the neocons defend Trump, it's clear that it's never about principle, rather the letter next to the name. Democrats have the same issue.Halifax2TheMax said:To the neocon, all of Trump's irregularities are regular. And I'm not talking Metamucil.
Follow the money, from Russia with love, all the way to impeachment.
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I'm not so sure. We are in uncharted waters here. Again...a lot of this comes down to what info Nunes has. None of us have this answer and yet many are making a million assumptions. I see zero reason why evidence of improper surveillance should not be made available to the President. The press conference is another story but then people would wonder what their meeting was about wouldn't they? Democrats like Senator Coons can go on tv and say they have transcripts of conversations between Russians and members of the Trump team but Nunes can't do the exact same thing? Bullshit.BS44325 said:
Yeah, and considering Nunes turned around & apologized today, it's safe to say BS missed by a mile.Merkin Baller said:
Perhaps instead of saying irregular I should have said unprecedented. Either way BS, you're on the wrong side of this one. I usually appreciate your opposing analysis and opinions and from time to time agree with them, but this was a swing and a miss for you.jeffbr said:
This must confuse the hell out of BS, who saw nothing improper or irregular about Nunes' actions yesterday. It sure got the attention of the Oversight Committee. But again, nothing improper.mrussel1 said:
The first step in acquiescing to political pressure...BS44325 said:
Blaming Obama for the corruption in the current admin? Is that what is happening? Clearly another person who can't read.Merkin Baller said:
...... says the guy trying to blame Obama for the corruption in the current admin. Talk about a broken record.BS44325 said:
Not expecting the results of the election is embarrassing. Remember when you all used to believe that? Now you have all taken a complete 180 on the Obama/Clinton Russian foreign policy. The only thing that has gained momentum are the conspiracy theories. Nothing else has changed. No new info has been revealed. If it comes I will listen but for now I'll stick with Clapper, Morrell, Rogers and Comey's analysis of the situation over the AMT. Bring some real evidence...otherwise you're all just a broken record.Merkin Baller said:
Oh, you see the forest AND the trees, do you? Of course you do, you’re woke AF.BS44325 said:
I see the forest and I see the trees. You only see the russian bear in the woods.Merkin Baller said:
Whatever you say genius.BS44325 said:
Another guy who can't keep two concepts in his head at once. Behaviour by one person does not discount behaviour of another. Currently no evidence of "treason by Trump". Currently no evidence of spying conducted by Obama. All we have is the back and forth of accusations against affiliates. I am the one on here who accepts the possibility of illegal actions by both. The rest of you are singularly focused. Don't have the brain capacity to entertain ideas that run counter to your narrative. Can't compute. Can't compute. Still too damaged by the Trump victory.Merkin Baller said:
I think you may be glossing over a few differences in the stories, but that's ok. You're very busy trying to blame Trump's treasonous behavior on Obama Obama Obama, so I'll cut you some slack.BS44325 said:
Breaking news? That story is almost 1 year old.Merkin Baller said:I'm sure this will be good for team Trump.
Follow the rubles.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-campaign-chief-ducks-questions-about-214020365.html
Reduce, reuse, recycle.
Trump & his people keep getting caught up in lie after lie after lie & you're pushing his theories intended to distract & obfuscate reality like a good little lemming. It's almost as if you're not capable of seeing the forest for the trees.
Obama Obama Obama
You also predicted the Russia story was going away. How’s that working out for ya?
Not so good, it’s only gained momentum, but that’s ok. You’re more than happy to push the distraction Herr Trump has laid out for his followers, eh? You’re a good little lemming, and cognitive dissonance is a wonderful thing.
It’s all phony, right Holden?
Obama Obama Obama
Follow the rubles.
EDIT: Do you realize what a stupid analogy the bear is? Let's all ignore the perceived threat and hope it isn't real.
Your mind is wrapped into a pretzel, stop embarrassing yourself.
Obama Obama Obama
You're embarrassing yourself.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/nunes-apologizes-after-going-directly-to-white-house-with-monitoring-claims-236415
But let's not argue about my use of the word irregular, which BS objected to. Let's hear what a former Intelligence Committee counsel said about it:MSNBC security analyst Jeremy Bash noted that he served as counsel to the House Intelligence Committee in the past while pointing out that he “never heard of a chairman of an oversight committee going to brief the President of the United States about concerns he had about things he read in an intelligence report.”
"The job of the committee is to do oversight of the executive branch,” Bash exclaimed. “Not to bring them into their investigation or to tip them off to things they may be looking at.”
He continued, “I’ve gotta believe that other members of the committee are horrified at what they just witnessed. This is a chairman that’s supposed to be doing impartial, bipartisan investigations of the president’s inner circle and instead he basically goes and tells the president and his team everything he knows.”
I've agreed with you on this in the past & still agree. Even though it looks like it will all blow up in Trump and/or his administration's face, we don't have all of the details & probably won't for a little longer. We can agree on that...even though we can't agree on much else.I LOVE MUSIC.
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Shockingly.. the bill is dying.
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/325459-gop-lawmakers-say-vote-unlikely-on-thursday0 -
No sir. You are missing the point. The "improper" came in the usage and dissemination of the data collected.BS44325 said:
Except in his press conference he said that the surveillance was legal and not "improper" so I think you are missing the point.cottagesteeze said:
I'm not so sure. We are in uncharted waters here. Again...a lot of this comes down to what info Nunes has. None of us have this answer and yet many are making a million assumptions. I see zero reason why evidence of improper surveillance should not be made available to the President. The press conference is another story but then people would wonder what their meeting was about wouldn't they? Democrats like Senator Coons can go on tv and say they have transcripts of conversations between Russians and members of the Trump team but Nunes can't do the exact same thing? Bullshit.BS44325 said:
Yeah, and considering Nunes turned around & apologized today, it's safe to say BS missed by a mile.Merkin Baller said:
Perhaps instead of saying irregular I should have said unprecedented. Either way BS, you're on the wrong side of this one. I usually appreciate your opposing analysis and opinions and from time to time agree with them, but this was a swing and a miss for you.jeffbr said:
This must confuse the hell out of BS, who saw nothing improper or irregular about Nunes' actions yesterday. It sure got the attention of the Oversight Committee. But again, nothing improper.mrussel1 said:
The first step in acquiescing to political pressure...BS44325 said:
Blaming Obama for the corruption in the current admin? Is that what is happening? Clearly another person who can't read.Merkin Baller said:
...... says the guy trying to blame Obama for the corruption in the current admin. Talk about a broken record.BS44325 said:
Not expecting the results of the election is embarrassing. Remember when you all used to believe that? Now you have all taken a complete 180 on the Obama/Clinton Russian foreign policy. The only thing that has gained momentum are the conspiracy theories. Nothing else has changed. No new info has been revealed. If it comes I will listen but for now I'll stick with Clapper, Morrell, Rogers and Comey's analysis of the situation over the AMT. Bring some real evidence...otherwise you're all just a broken record.Merkin Baller said:
Oh, you see the forest AND the trees, do you? Of course you do, you’re woke AF.BS44325 said:
I see the forest and I see the trees. You only see the russian bear in the woods.Merkin Baller said:
Whatever you say genius.BS44325 said:
Another guy who can't keep two concepts in his head at once. Behaviour by one person does not discount behaviour of another. Currently no evidence of "treason by Trump". Currently no evidence of spying conducted by Obama. All we have is the back and forth of accusations against affiliates. I am the one on here who accepts the possibility of illegal actions by both. The rest of you are singularly focused. Don't have the brain capacity to entertain ideas that run counter to your narrative. Can't compute. Can't compute. Still too damaged by the Trump victory.Merkin Baller said:
I think you may be glossing over a few differences in the stories, but that's ok. You're very busy trying to blame Trump's treasonous behavior on Obama Obama Obama, so I'll cut you some slack.BS44325 said:
Breaking news? That story is almost 1 year old.Merkin Baller said:I'm sure this will be good for team Trump.
Follow the rubles.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-campaign-chief-ducks-questions-about-214020365.html
Reduce, reuse, recycle.
Trump & his people keep getting caught up in lie after lie after lie & you're pushing his theories intended to distract & obfuscate reality like a good little lemming. It's almost as if you're not capable of seeing the forest for the trees.
Obama Obama Obama
You also predicted the Russia story was going away. How’s that working out for ya?
Not so good, it’s only gained momentum, but that’s ok. You’re more than happy to push the distraction Herr Trump has laid out for his followers, eh? You’re a good little lemming, and cognitive dissonance is a wonderful thing.
It’s all phony, right Holden?
Obama Obama Obama
Follow the rubles.
EDIT: Do you realize what a stupid analogy the bear is? Let's all ignore the perceived threat and hope it isn't real.
Your mind is wrapped into a pretzel, stop embarrassing yourself.
Obama Obama Obama
You're embarrassing yourself.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/nunes-apologizes-after-going-directly-to-white-house-with-monitoring-claims-236415
But let's not argue about my use of the word irregular, which BS objected to. Let's hear what a former Intelligence Committee counsel said about it:MSNBC security analyst Jeremy Bash noted that he served as counsel to the House Intelligence Committee in the past while pointing out that he “never heard of a chairman of an oversight committee going to brief the President of the United States about concerns he had about things he read in an intelligence report.”
"The job of the committee is to do oversight of the executive branch,” Bash exclaimed. “Not to bring them into their investigation or to tip them off to things they may be looking at.”
He continued, “I’ve gotta believe that other members of the committee are horrified at what they just witnessed. This is a chairman that’s supposed to be doing impartial, bipartisan investigations of the president’s inner circle and instead he basically goes and tells the president and his team everything he knows.”
Best to stay current with Andrew McCarthy who covers the legal aspects of this all
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446024/devin-nunes-fbi-director-james-comey-house-intelligence-committee-russia-2016-election-trump
Also this guy might understand the Watergate comparisons
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bob-woodward-obama-officials-possibly-facing-criminal-charges-for-unmasking-scheme/article/2618185?custom_click=rss
The National Review article is a good one, but what's you take away from it? To me it makes the case that anything Obama did is most likely legally justified.0
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