Should celebrities avoid talking politics to fans ?
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Exactly, thank you.CM189191 said:
Hey, that's great.PJPOWER said:
Thanks for the one example, here is one too:CM189191 said:
What really happens when an emergency vehicle comes upon a protestDegeneratefk said:
What if you were in an ambulance having a heart attack trying to get to a hospital? Are you being selfish for wanting to get to the hospital asap?PJ_Soul said:
I figure as long as it doesn't actually hurt you, suck it up and appreciate that people can protest without getting gunned down (for now).mrussel1 said:
Waiting close 2 hours in bumper to bumper traffic on a Thursday afternoon while scrambling to find someone to pikc your child up because you are so late runs a little past the point of inconvenienced.PJ_Soul said:
No. It is simply my personal belief that those who reject peaceful protest because they were inconvenienced are being very selfish.mrussel1 said:
I can tell you what happened to me. So whether it was once or 50, it had an effect. You don't have to be for violent police to be against protesters that disrupt everyday lives. You can think both suck.PJ_Soul said:How many fucking highways are being blocked by protests anyway?? I know protests disrupt downtown traffic a lot, but highways and bridges that are the only route in and out of town? Just how often does that even happen? I don't even really see the point of debating such a rare occasion. How about thinking more about what actually happens on a regular basis? That's what really matters. Peaceful protestors being attacked by police is what matters, because that is what happens on a regular basis right now.
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Marchers-Protesting-President-Trumps-Immigration-Policies-Block-Streets-in-New-Haven-412789233.html
Or do you prefer this one:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gvCdAuBBh0U&feature=youtu.be
So the people rioting and blocking emergency vehicles were arrested for laws already on the books. As it should be.
The problem starts when you use anecdotes like these to oppress speech. When people talk about the right way, the right place, the right time to protest you head down that slippery slope.
"I heard a guy died in an ambulance blocked by protesters once. We should pass a law making protesting legal only on the third Thursday of every other month. But only at the public park on the other side of town from the capitol building. With a permit. And proper security paid for by the protesters."
Not to mention, many organized protests I've seen will put out a statement with a starting and end point. Like a parade. "We're going to meet at the governor's mansion on this time & day, and march to the capitol." Then everyone knows to avoid that area.
Obviously, spontaneous impromptu demonstrations don't have the same luxury. But I have been informed there is no such thing as an spontaneous protest, since they're all really paid protesters being organized by the deep state or something...With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
I'm not Republican or anti-protest.. and I brought up the NJ bridge several times.. But I still think you should follow the laws when protesting. The goal of a protests should be to garner support for your cause. Anything that turns an ordinary citizen without a dog in the fight, against you, is an unsuccessful protest.my2hands said:how come all you anti-protest republicans didn't have a problem with a republican governor closing down a bridge? I wonder how many emergency vehicles were slowed or diverted because of that?
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Who is anti-protest? Everyone here seems like they are anti-blocking highways, not anti-protest. Do not recall anyone here saying they support governors blocking roadways either, but thanks for the false equivalency "whatabout" statement.my2hands said:how come all you anti-protest republicans didn't have a problem with a republican governor closing down a bridge? I wonder how many emergency vehicles were slowed or diverted because of that?
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According to half the people on this board alone, making someone 10 minutes late to pick their kid up from ballet class will turn them against protestors, no matter what they are protesting. Perhaps immediate local public sentiment isn't actually the end all and be all of how successful a protest is.mrussel1 said:
I'm not Republican or anti-protest.. and I brought up the NJ bridge several times.. But I still think you should follow the laws when protesting. The goal of a protests should be to garner support for your cause. Anything that turns an ordinary citizen without a dog in the fight, against you, is an unsuccessful protest.my2hands said:how come all you anti-protest republicans didn't have a problem with a republican governor closing down a bridge? I wonder how many emergency vehicles were slowed or diverted because of that?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
And you were the one that mentioned anecdotal arguments...laughable.PJ_Soul said:
According to half the people on this board alone, making someone 10 minutes late to pick their kid up from ballet class will turn them against protestors, no matter what they are protesting. Perhaps immediate local public sentiment isn't actually the end all and be all of how successful a protest is.mrussel1 said:
I'm not Republican or anti-protest.. and I brought up the NJ bridge several times.. But I still think you should follow the laws when protesting. The goal of a protests should be to garner support for your cause. Anything that turns an ordinary citizen without a dog in the fight, against you, is an unsuccessful protest.my2hands said:how come all you anti-protest republicans didn't have a problem with a republican governor closing down a bridge? I wonder how many emergency vehicles were slowed or diverted because of that?
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That was me.. and it wasn't 10 minutes. It was at least 90 minutes, maybe closer to 2 hours. And it was during rush hour. Maybe you don't have kids so you don't think of things this way, but when you're late, you can only imagine (the worst imagination) what is happening with your 7 year old daughter standing? waiting? sitting? outside waiting for you. The worst thoughts go through your mind.PJ_Soul said:
According to half the people on this board alone, making someone 10 minutes late to pick their kid up from ballet class will turn them against protestors, no matter what they are protesting. Perhaps immediate local public sentiment isn't actually the end all and be all of how successful a protest is.mrussel1 said:
I'm not Republican or anti-protest.. and I brought up the NJ bridge several times.. But I still think you should follow the laws when protesting. The goal of a protests should be to garner support for your cause. Anything that turns an ordinary citizen without a dog in the fight, against you, is an unsuccessful protest.my2hands said:how come all you anti-protest republicans didn't have a problem with a republican governor closing down a bridge? I wonder how many emergency vehicles were slowed or diverted because of that?
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There's no such thing as bad publicity except your own obituary.mrussel1 said:
I'm not Republican or anti-protest.. and I brought up the NJ bridge several times.. But I still think you should follow the laws when protesting. The goal of a protests should be to garner support for your cause. Anything that turns an ordinary citizen without a dog in the fight, against you, is an unsuccessful protest.my2hands said:how come all you anti-protest republicans didn't have a problem with a republican governor closing down a bridge? I wonder how many emergency vehicles were slowed or diverted because of that?
All publicity is good if it is intelligent.
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I wasn't thinking about you at all. It was hyperbole (were you really late picking your kid up from ballet class?? If so, that is a funny coincidence!). Anyway, I'm sure that with smartphones and everything, your 7 year old isn't getting stranded on a street corner by her dance teacher. Yeah, it's a pain in the ass, but let's stay realistic here. You are able to keep in touch pretty easily these days to prevent nightmare scenarios. Perhaps we shouldn't base our belief systems on our worst imaginations, eh?mrussel1 said:
That was me.. and it wasn't 10 minutes. It was at least 90 minutes, maybe closer to 2 hours. And it was during rush hour. Maybe you don't have kids so you don't think of things this way, but when you're late, you can only imagine (the worst imagination) what is happening with your 7 year old daughter standing? waiting? sitting? outside waiting for you. The worst thoughts go through your mind.PJ_Soul said:
According to half the people on this board alone, making someone 10 minutes late to pick their kid up from ballet class will turn them against protestors, no matter what they are protesting. Perhaps immediate local public sentiment isn't actually the end all and be all of how successful a protest is.mrussel1 said:
I'm not Republican or anti-protest.. and I brought up the NJ bridge several times.. But I still think you should follow the laws when protesting. The goal of a protests should be to garner support for your cause. Anything that turns an ordinary citizen without a dog in the fight, against you, is an unsuccessful protest.my2hands said:how come all you anti-protest republicans didn't have a problem with a republican governor closing down a bridge? I wonder how many emergency vehicles were slowed or diverted because of that?
But come on man, now you're suggesting a person needs to have kids to understand?Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
the root base for conservatives issue is the protests in general... I know it, you know it... so you guys on the right are sticking to this blocking traffic thing like this is some national epidemic because when you all originally spoke out about the protests, people came right back and reminded you it was as American as apple pie to protest... so then you had to shift and find some part of the protests that were easy targets... that's why you overly focus on the few knuckleheads that riot & loot, or the few times a road is blocked... that's not your real issue, your real issue is the protest and protesters in general
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That wasn't an anecdotal argument. Laughable indeed!PJPOWER said:
And you were the one that mentioned anecdotal arguments...laughable.PJ_Soul said:
According to half the people on this board alone, making someone 10 minutes late to pick their kid up from ballet class will turn them against protestors, no matter what they are protesting. Perhaps immediate local public sentiment isn't actually the end all and be all of how successful a protest is.mrussel1 said:
I'm not Republican or anti-protest.. and I brought up the NJ bridge several times.. But I still think you should follow the laws when protesting. The goal of a protests should be to garner support for your cause. Anything that turns an ordinary citizen without a dog in the fight, against you, is an unsuccessful protest.my2hands said:how come all you anti-protest republicans didn't have a problem with a republican governor closing down a bridge? I wonder how many emergency vehicles were slowed or diverted because of that?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Yup. Or, even if that isn't their real issue, they've been conned into thinking that way anyhow.my2hands said:the root base for conservatives issue is the protests in general... I know it, you know it... so you guys on the right are sticking to this blocking traffic thing like this is some national epidemic because when you all originally spoke out about the protests, people came right back and reminded you it was as American as apple pie to protest... so then you had to shift and find some part of the protests that were easy targets... that's why you overly focus on the few knuckleheads that riot & loot, or the few times a road is blocked... that's not your real issue, your real issue is the protest and protesters in general
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Right? Think of all the terrible things that could happen to your child, when all they want to do is go home?mrussel1 said:
That was me.. and it wasn't 10 minutes. It was at least 90 minutes, maybe closer to 2 hours. And it was during rush hour. Maybe you don't have kids so you don't think of things this way, but when you're late, you can only imagine (the worst imagination) what is happening with your 7 year old daughter standing? waiting? sitting? outside waiting for you. The worst thoughts go through your mind.PJ_Soul said:
According to half the people on this board alone, making someone 10 minutes late to pick their kid up from ballet class will turn them against protestors, no matter what they are protesting. Perhaps immediate local public sentiment isn't actually the end all and be all of how successful a protest is.mrussel1 said:
I'm not Republican or anti-protest.. and I brought up the NJ bridge several times.. But I still think you should follow the laws when protesting. The goal of a protests should be to garner support for your cause. Anything that turns an ordinary citizen without a dog in the fight, against you, is an unsuccessful protest.my2hands said:how come all you anti-protest republicans didn't have a problem with a republican governor closing down a bridge? I wonder how many emergency vehicles were slowed or diverted because of that?
That's kind of the point: Metropolitan Transit police officers used excessive force in arresting an autistic teenager in St. Paul in 2015, according to a lawsuit filed in Ramsey County District Court that seeks $350,000 in damages. The suit said Abrams and his friends were on their way home from work at the Minnesota State Fair
But what do I know? Maybe your kid's the 'right' color and doesn't have anything to worry about.0 -
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How much more black and white can it get? Pedestrians on the freeway is illegal. Doesn't matter what your cause is, if you intentionally march onto a freeway and block traffic that is illegal. That law should be enforced. You keep talking about gray area. Whats so gray about that? There's a law, you break it, there's a consequence. Very black and white. I'm not sure why you've referred to this as a gray area a few times. Here's what I picture a gray area. The time my brother and I were playing with model rockets and I launched one into his stomach. The nose cone was fully embedded inside him, I thought I just killed him. We threw him into the car and drove triple the speed limit, running every stop sign and fed light on the way to the hospital. We chose to break some traffic laws, but it was truly a life or death. That's a gray area.PJ_Soul said:
There is a debate because it just isn't a black and white issue. Most things aren't.mace1229 said:Inconvenience is when the grocery store union goes on strike and I have to go to the other side of town to get groceries. This is beyond inconvenience, and is illegal. I really dont know why there is a debate, if something is illegal, being part of a protest should not excuse illegal activity. If you don't, be prepared to be arrested.
There are literally thousands of ways and places to protest without breaking the law. It's not a gray area to knowingly and willingly break laws in the course of a protest.
And if you don't support people breaking laws while protesting, then you're against protesters in general? No one has even implied people shouldn't protest. I just think they should find way to do it without breaking the law, which most do. That hardly makes someone anti-protester.
I just have to disagree on this. Seems very black and white, the laws are very clear and known to everyone, and posted very clearly. Anyone protesting on a freeway knows 100% they are breaking the law. And accusing anyone against protesters breaking the law as being against protesters in general is such an inaccurate reach.Post edited by mace1229 on0 -
We're sticking to this blocking traffic thing because a claim was made that protester's rights are violated, and when asked, the only example given was people were being ticketed and/or arrested when blocking a freeway. From there it evolved into this conversation where we should have the right to march on the freeway.my2hands said:the root base for conservatives issue is the protests in general... I know it, you know it... so you guys on the right are sticking to this blocking traffic thing like this is some national epidemic because when you all originally spoke out about the protests, people came right back and reminded you it was as American as apple pie to protest... so then you had to shift and find some part of the protests that were easy targets... that's why you overly focus on the few knuckleheads that riot & loot, or the few times a road is blocked... that's not your real issue, your real issue is the protest and protesters in general
I still haven't seen a large scale example (or any example for that matter) of republicans taking away the rights of protesters. Enforcing the law isn't taking away one;s rights.0 -
You've been hanging with Trump and Kim Kardashian too long.CM189191 said:
There's no such thing as bad publicity except your own obituary.mrussel1 said:
I'm not Republican or anti-protest.. and I brought up the NJ bridge several times.. But I still think you should follow the laws when protesting. The goal of a protests should be to garner support for your cause. Anything that turns an ordinary citizen without a dog in the fight, against you, is an unsuccessful protest.my2hands said:how come all you anti-protest republicans didn't have a problem with a republican governor closing down a bridge? I wonder how many emergency vehicles were slowed or diverted because of that?
All publicity is good if it is intelligent.
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I don't get your point. My daughter isn't a 15 year old roaming the streets.. she was a 7 year old little girl. This wasn't a race issue for me.CM189191 said:
Right? Think of all the terrible things that could happen to your child, when all they want to do is go home?mrussel1 said:
That was me.. and it wasn't 10 minutes. It was at least 90 minutes, maybe closer to 2 hours. And it was during rush hour. Maybe you don't have kids so you don't think of things this way, but when you're late, you can only imagine (the worst imagination) what is happening with your 7 year old daughter standing? waiting? sitting? outside waiting for you. The worst thoughts go through your mind.PJ_Soul said:
According to half the people on this board alone, making someone 10 minutes late to pick their kid up from ballet class will turn them against protestors, no matter what they are protesting. Perhaps immediate local public sentiment isn't actually the end all and be all of how successful a protest is.mrussel1 said:
I'm not Republican or anti-protest.. and I brought up the NJ bridge several times.. But I still think you should follow the laws when protesting. The goal of a protests should be to garner support for your cause. Anything that turns an ordinary citizen without a dog in the fight, against you, is an unsuccessful protest.my2hands said:how come all you anti-protest republicans didn't have a problem with a republican governor closing down a bridge? I wonder how many emergency vehicles were slowed or diverted because of that?
That's kind of the point: Metropolitan Transit police officers used excessive force in arresting an autistic teenager in St. Paul in 2015, according to a lawsuit filed in Ramsey County District Court that seeks $350,000 in damages. The suit said Abrams and his friends were on their way home from work at the Minnesota State Fair
But what do I know? Maybe your kid's the 'right' color and doesn't have anything to worry about.0 -
Gymnastics actually..PJ_Soul said:
I wasn't thinking about you at all. It was hyperbole (were you really late picking your kid up from ballet class?? If so, that is a funny coincidence!). Anyway, I'm sure that with smartphones and everything, your 7 year old isn't getting stranded on a street corner by her dance teacher. Yeah, it's a pain in the ass, but let's stay realistic here. You are able to keep in touch pretty easily these days to prevent nightmare scenarios. Perhaps we shouldn't base our belief systems on our worst imaginations, eh?mrussel1 said:
That was me.. and it wasn't 10 minutes. It was at least 90 minutes, maybe closer to 2 hours. And it was during rush hour. Maybe you don't have kids so you don't think of things this way, but when you're late, you can only imagine (the worst imagination) what is happening with your 7 year old daughter standing? waiting? sitting? outside waiting for you. The worst thoughts go through your mind.PJ_Soul said:
According to half the people on this board alone, making someone 10 minutes late to pick their kid up from ballet class will turn them against protestors, no matter what they are protesting. Perhaps immediate local public sentiment isn't actually the end all and be all of how successful a protest is.mrussel1 said:
I'm not Republican or anti-protest.. and I brought up the NJ bridge several times.. But I still think you should follow the laws when protesting. The goal of a protests should be to garner support for your cause. Anything that turns an ordinary citizen without a dog in the fight, against you, is an unsuccessful protest.my2hands said:how come all you anti-protest republicans didn't have a problem with a republican governor closing down a bridge? I wonder how many emergency vehicles were slowed or diverted because of that?
But come on man, now you're suggesting a person needs to have kids to understand?0 -
Wow, you really are full of shit. No one spoke out against protests in general, just the illegal non-peaceful version. Show me a few quotes where what you are claiming happened. Stop making stuff up, please. And if you would actually read and pay attention, it is not only conservatives speaking out here against the idiots that think they have the right to block highways and damage property.my2hands said:the root base for conservatives issue is the protests in general... I know it, you know it... so you guys on the right are sticking to this blocking traffic thing like this is some national epidemic because when you all originally spoke out about the protests, people came right back and reminded you it was as American as apple pie to protest... so then you had to shift and find some part of the protests that were easy targets... that's why you overly focus on the few knuckleheads that riot & loot, or the few times a road is blocked... that's not your real issue, your real issue is the protest and protesters in general
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