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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,629
    Lol

  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,488
    I'm just trying to figure out what we're supposed to burn to the ground? Our faith in democracy?
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,629
    "We now know that Trump lied about Obama and UK wiretapping. Whether his campaign collaborated with Russia is under investigation by the FBI."

    This is what transpired today.

    Good stuff.
  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    It's starts with the Vote. Sorry. It's matters.
  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    edited March 2017
    Go Beavers said:

    I'm just trying to figure out what we're supposed to burn to the ground? Our faith in democracy?

    Sure.

    Lets see, Electoral college, Yes or no?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 41,631
    But I thought there would not be any more headlines or investigations of the Trump campaign's ties to Russia because, well, because of the brilliance of Trump, the man, the candidate and president and of those he surrounded himself with?
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  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Go Beavers said:

    I'm just trying to figure out what we're supposed to burn to the ground? Our faith in democracy?

    The fire started on Jan 20th.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/02/23/stephen_bannon_pillar_of_trumps_platform_is_deconstruction_of_the_administrative_state.html

    MAGA bitches.

    https://youtu.be/eFTLKWw542g

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 41,631
    So much for the theory of no more headlines.

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/20/us/politics/fbi-investigation-trump-russia-comey.html
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  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    But I thought there would not be any more headlines or investigations of the Trump campaign's ties to Russia because, well, because of the brilliance of Trump, the man, the candidate and president and of those he surrounded himself with?

    and his numerous successes in the business world, too like Trump Casinos and Trump University. so good at business.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,560
    Merkin Baller said:

    Lol

    :lol: That makes no sense.
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,489
    PJ_Soul said:

    Merkin Baller said:

    Lol

    :lol: That makes no sense.
    none at all. haha!
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 41,631
    Tiki said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    But I thought there would not be any more headlines or investigations of the Trump campaign's ties to Russia because, well, because of the brilliance of Trump, the man, the candidate and president and of those he surrounded himself with?

    and his numerous successes in the business world, too like Trump Casinos and Trump University. so good at business.
    C'mon fess up, who here has had a Trump steak?
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,489
    mrussel1 said:

    Awesome.. Trump is tweeting while watching the hearings.. Doesn't he have anything better to do than watch TV on a Monday afternoon? He is the president.. I would think there was SOMETHING else he could do to be more productive.

    you'd think so, right? unreal.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,629
    Is it good, or bad when a member of the house intelligence committee says something like this?



    Asking for an orange friend.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,489
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Tiki said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    But I thought there would not be any more headlines or investigations of the Trump campaign's ties to Russia because, well, because of the brilliance of Trump, the man, the candidate and president and of those he surrounded himself with?

    and his numerous successes in the business world, too like Trump Casinos and Trump University. so good at business.
    C'mon fess up, who here has had a Trump steak?
    I've heard they taste like KFC
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,488
    Idris said:

    Go Beavers said:

    I'm just trying to figure out what we're supposed to burn to the ground? Our faith in democracy?

    Sure.

    Lets see, Electoral college, Yes or no?
    Not sure questioning the Electoral College is exactly burning things to the ground.
  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Those Intelligence Committee R's sure toed the Trump/Party line with the leaks being more important than the meddling. True fucking patriots.

    I'm watching on a tape delay.
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  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    Go Beavers said:

    Idris said:

    Go Beavers said:

    I'm just trying to figure out what we're supposed to burn to the ground? Our faith in democracy?

    Sure.

    Lets see, Electoral college, Yes or no?
    Not sure questioning the Electoral College is exactly burning things to the ground.
    Are you for it or not? Also, what's your voting record ?
  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Tiki said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    But I thought there would not be any more headlines or investigations of the Trump campaign's ties to Russia because, well, because of the brilliance of Trump, the man, the candidate and president and of those he surrounded himself with?

    and his numerous successes in the business world, too like Trump Casinos and Trump University. so good at business.
    C'mon fess up, who here has had a Trump steak?
    I do own 1 Donald J Trump tie and one Donald J Trump dress shirt
    My favorite thing about the tie is the Made in China tag
    the shirt is a piece of shit that if you breathe on it too hard it instantly wrinkles beyond the point of wear-ablity and has a Made in Vietnam tag.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,488
    Idris said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Idris said:

    Go Beavers said:

    I'm just trying to figure out what we're supposed to burn to the ground? Our faith in democracy?

    Sure.

    Lets see, Electoral college, Yes or no?
    Not sure questioning the Electoral College is exactly burning things to the ground.
    Are you for it or not? Also, what's your voting record ?
    I'm mixed on it. I think the factors that played into the original intention to have it don't exist to the same degree. It tends to contribute to a sense of voter apathy. I have a clean voting record. I've always voted D.
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,489
    Idris said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Idris said:

    Go Beavers said:

    I'm just trying to figure out what we're supposed to burn to the ground? Our faith in democracy?

    Sure.

    Lets see, Electoral college, Yes or no?
    Not sure questioning the Electoral College is exactly burning things to the ground.
    Are you for it or not? Also, what's your voting record ?
    That's his business and not yours to ask about. There's a reason why partition walls and curtains exist in the voting booths.
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  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    Tiki said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Tiki said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    But I thought there would not be any more headlines or investigations of the Trump campaign's ties to Russia because, well, because of the brilliance of Trump, the man, the candidate and president and of those he surrounded himself with?

    and his numerous successes in the business world, too like Trump Casinos and Trump University. so good at business.
    C'mon fess up, who here has had a Trump steak?
    I do own 1 Donald J Trump tie and one Donald J Trump dress shirt
    My favorite thing about the tie is the Made in China tag
    the shirt is a piece of shit that if you breathe on it too hard it instantly wrinkles beyond the point of wear-ablity and has a Made in Vietnam tag.
    What made you buy his products? And when was this?
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,488
    Idris said:

    Tiki said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Tiki said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    But I thought there would not be any more headlines or investigations of the Trump campaign's ties to Russia because, well, because of the brilliance of Trump, the man, the candidate and president and of those he surrounded himself with?

    and his numerous successes in the business world, too like Trump Casinos and Trump University. so good at business.
    C'mon fess up, who here has had a Trump steak?
    I do own 1 Donald J Trump tie and one Donald J Trump dress shirt
    My favorite thing about the tie is the Made in China tag
    the shirt is a piece of shit that if you breathe on it too hard it instantly wrinkles beyond the point of wear-ablity and has a Made in Vietnam tag.
    What made you buy his products? And when was this?
    More importantly, was the Scotch tape included with the tie or purchased separately?
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,629
    "The scariest revelation today isn't that Russia interfered, but to what extent the GOP will go to cover & enable that interference."
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 41,631
    Merkin Baller said:

    "The scariest revelation today isn't that Russia interfered, but to what extent the GOP will go to cover & enable that interference."

    Merkin Baller said:

    "The scariest revelation today isn't that Russia interfered, but to what extent the GOP will go to cover & enable that interference."

    Follow the money, from Russia with love, all the way to impeachment.

    Baku you, President Trump!
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,629
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Merkin Baller said:

    "The scariest revelation today isn't that Russia interfered, but to what extent the GOP will go to cover & enable that interference."

    Merkin Baller said:

    "The scariest revelation today isn't that Russia interfered, but to what extent the GOP will go to cover & enable that interference."

    Follow the money, from Russia with love, all the way to impeachment.

    Baku you, President Trump!
    Paul Ryan is compromised too.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 31,291
    mfc2006 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Tiki said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    But I thought there would not be any more headlines or investigations of the Trump campaign's ties to Russia because, well, because of the brilliance of Trump, the man, the candidate and president and of those he surrounded himself with?

    and his numerous successes in the business world, too like Trump Casinos and Trump University. so good at business.
    C'mon fess up, who here has had a Trump steak?
    I've heard they taste like KFC
    An alternative taste I bet ..
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 41,631
    This makes Iran-Contra look like kiddies play. Remember the condemnation of the Iran nuclear deal? How about indirectly supporting Iran's Revolutionary Guards? Treasonous? Has anyone asked Bibi how he feels about Trumps ties to terrorism? And pay attention to the law that was violated. And here you all thought Obama was the Muslim?

    https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-03-08/allegations-corruption-surface-around-trump-tower-baku-azerbaijan

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal

    http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/6/14827604/trump-tower-baku

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  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    HesCalledDyer said:

    Idris said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Idris said:

    Go Beavers said:

    I'm just trying to figure out what we're supposed to burn to the ground? Our faith in democracy?

    Sure.

    Lets see, Electoral college, Yes or no?
    Not sure questioning the Electoral College is exactly burning things to the ground.
    Are you for it or not? Also, what's your voting record ?
    That's his business and not yours to ask about. There's a reason why partition walls and curtains exist in the voting booths.
    He's not a random person I bumped into and started asking about how he votes . We are trying to have a discussion and these questions are pertinent.



  • IdrisIdris Posts: 2,317
    Go Beavers said:

    Idris said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Idris said:

    Go Beavers said:

    I'm just trying to figure out what we're supposed to burn to the ground? Our faith in democracy?

    Sure.

    Lets see, Electoral college, Yes or no?
    Not sure questioning the Electoral College is exactly burning things to the ground.
    Are you for it or not? Also, what's your voting record ?
    I'm mixed on it. I think the factors that played into the original intention to have it don't exist to the same degree. It tends to contribute to a sense of voter apathy. I have a clean voting record. I've always voted D.
    Fair enough.

    But always voting D does not give you a clean voting record.

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