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So why are you giving it so much explanation? Triggered? Why don't we discuss the facts thus far of Trump's campaign ilk and their ties to Putin's ilk? Or Trump's complete fabrication that Obama tapped his ever prescious Trump Tower? Would you like to discuss facts, professor? Or continue your supposition and distractions? Professor?BS44325 said:
This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.mrussel1 said:
The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.BS44325 said:
Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?Bentleyspop said:The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......
Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730
“There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Only tone deaf when you read it. If you actually watch the clip Carson is speaking about the greatness of immigrants and then segways into slaves who dreamed of a better life. Major Marquis Warren is off base.mrussel1 said:
It's a little tone deaf. It's sort of like how Devos called the advent of HBCUs a victory of school,choice rather than a necessity of segregation. It's strange spin.BS44325 said:
This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.mrussel1 said:
The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.BS44325 said:
Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?Bentleyspop said:The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......
Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730
“There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”
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So why are you giving it so much explanation? Triggered? Why don't we discuss the facts thus far of Trump's campaign ilk and their ties to Putin's ilk? Or Trump's complete fabrication that Obama tapped his ever prescious Trump Tower? Would you like to discuss facts, professor? Or continue your supposition and distractions? Professor?BS44325 said:
This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.mrussel1 said:
The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.BS44325 said:
Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?Bentleyspop said:The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......
Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730
“There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”
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So, professor? What are Trump's reasons? Time for Trump to show his cards. But typical of your response, more distraction and factless deflection. You do realize that the POTUS can't order a FISA on his own, right? And if it's the FBI who sought and was granted a wire tap, Trump could direct the Justice Department to make public the evidence. You know this right? So why is Trump hiding behind a lie? Care to discuss facts, professor?BS44325 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So why are you giving it so much explanation? Triggered? Why don't we discuss the facts thus far of Trump's campaign ilk and their ties to Putin's ilk? Or Trump's complete fabrication that Obama tapped his ever prescious Trump Tower? Would you like to discuss facts, professor? Or continue your supposition and distractions? Professor?BS44325 said:
This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.mrussel1 said:
The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.BS44325 said:
Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?Bentleyspop said:The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......
Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730
“There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”https://youtu.be/PI1fvJmF1UU09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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All you'll get is deflection & distraction, Halifax.I LOVE MUSIC.
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Hasn't this been gone over this already?
The wiretaps that the NYT has referred to in their coverage are the common wiretaps on Russian officials the intelligence community uses. It shouldn't surprise anyone that those corrupt fucks that worked on the campaign and in the transition came up on the wiretaps with Russian officials.
This is NOT the widespread Trump Tower installed personally by Barry tap the OF read on Brietbart at 4am down in Florida. Just because the OF threw out the word "wiretap" we have this on the table again? Why did Flynn resign? Why did Jeff Sessions recuse himself? Why is Trump calling for an investigation to be proved right when all he had to do is make a phone call to the CIA director and get a simple confirmation? Does he even know what he's doing? His tact is to choose the worst way possible to accuse his predecessor of the worst Presidential crime EVER, on twitter, before 6AM.
I think it's because he has no facts to back up his claim. ZERO. Just like the voter fraud, Sweden, 109 people affected by Muslim Ban number 1, his impact on the national debt his first month in office, the murder rate being the highest in 47 years, the size of his inauguration, terrorist attacks not being reported in the media, "We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College.", Philadelphia's murder rate, blaming the media for "making it sound" like he had a feud with the intelligence agency, Americans don't "care at all" about Donald Trump's tax returns, "The @nytimes sent a letter to their subscribers apologizing for their BAD coverage of me." among a truckload of other completely untrue statements.
It turns out the OF is combination of two things that don't go together well at all.
He's a lying sack of shit who loves the sound of his own voice.
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All you'll get is deflection & distraction, Halifax.
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Love how Trump's White House ilk can't explain Trump's Saturday morning shit storm but some on here can explain all the facts away with a minute CNN video clip. Brilliant!09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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It's called cognitive dissonance. Never underestimate the human brain.Halifax2TheMax said:Love how Trump's White House ilk can't explain Trump's Saturday morning shit storm but some on here can explain all the facts away with a minute CNN video clip. Brilliant!
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Is flat out lying to the American people an impeachable offense? It should be.
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to lie in any official document, court, police investigation or any kind of government inquiry.
This takes a while to load in but it's totally worth it.
LIES!
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Correct the President can't order a FISA on his own. That is not in dispute. He would likely be made aware of it however. We also don't know if it was the FBI who ordered the tap but "if" there even was a tap the President could not simply direct the Justice Department to make public the evidence. There are "sources and methods" issues that could be exposed especially if transcripts involve conversations with foreign governments. Cards will be put on the table in the coming weeks. Every newspaper and democratic politician who insinuated that there is evidence and/or recordings demonstrating Trump campaign collusion with Russia will either have to double down on the existence of this evidence through spying or admit they have nothing at all. On the flip side Trump will have to reveal what spying was conducted, who ordered it, and how was that info handeled. Based on the democratic walk backs by the media, people like Sen Chris Coons, Jon Favreau and others it appears that Trump has the upper hand. Democratic obsession with a possible loss to Trump triggered watergate level spying on a candidate. Those are the facts that you should be scared of.Halifax2TheMax said:
So, professor? What are Trump's reasons? Time for Trump to show his cards. But typical of your response, more distraction and factless deflection. You do realize that the POTUS can't order a FISA on his own, right? And if it's the FBI who sought and was granted a wire tap, Trump could direct the Justice Department to make public the evidence. You know this right? So why is Trump hiding behind a lie? Care to discuss facts, professor?BS44325 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So why are you giving it so much explanation? Triggered? Why don't we discuss the facts thus far of Trump's campaign ilk and their ties to Putin's ilk? Or Trump's complete fabrication that Obama tapped his ever prescious Trump Tower? Would you like to discuss facts, professor? Or continue your supposition and distractions? Professor?BS44325 said:
This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.mrussel1 said:
The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.BS44325 said:
Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?Bentleyspop said:The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......
Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730
“There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”https://youtu.be/PI1fvJmF1UU0 -
Will VP Mike Pence be leading the investigation as he did into the massive voter fraud that occurred in New Hampshire, California, and Virginia?BS44325 said:
Cards will be put on the table in the coming weeks.Halifax2TheMax said:
So, professor? What are Trump's reasons? Time for Trump to show his cards. But typical of your response, more distraction and factless deflection. You do realize that the POTUS can't order a FISA on his own, right? And if it's the FBI who sought and was granted a wire tap, Trump could direct the Justice Department to make public the evidence. You know this right? So why is Trump hiding behind a lie? Care to discuss facts, professor?BS44325 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So why are you giving it so much explanation? Triggered? Why don't we discuss the facts thus far of Trump's campaign ilk and their ties to Putin's ilk? Or Trump's complete fabrication that Obama tapped his ever prescious Trump Tower? Would you like to discuss facts, professor? Or continue your supposition and distractions? Professor?BS44325 said:
This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.mrussel1 said:
The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.BS44325 said:
Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?Bentleyspop said:The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......
Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730
“There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”https://youtu.be/PI1fvJmF1UU
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This Bloomberg article is pretty interesting:Tiki said:Is flat out lying to the American people an impeachable offense? It should be.
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to lie in any official document, court, police investigation or any kind of government inquiry.
This takes a while to load in but it's totally worth it.
LIES!
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-06/trump-s-wiretap-tweets-raise-risk-of-impeachment0 -
If Trump breathes it raises the risk of impeachment.Merkin Baller said:
This Bloomberg article is pretty interesting:Tiki said:Is flat out lying to the American people an impeachable offense? It should be.
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to lie in any official document, court, police investigation or any kind of government inquiry.
This takes a while to load in but it's totally worth it.
LIES!
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-06/trump-s-wiretap-tweets-raise-risk-of-impeachment
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I should add that article is largely correct. If Trump is correct it is a scandal of watergate proportions and if Trump is making it up then he has problems coming his way. The question eveybody needs to ask is "what did Trump know when he made his tweets?". A lot of people are gambling on Trump making it all up. Cards will be put on the table.Post edited by BS44325 on0 -
I'm afraid, really, really afraid. Now, about that asparagus and meatloaf? You're relying on a brietbart propagated defense of Trump's Saturday morning shit storm? The serial liar is finally going to speak the truth to power. Are you kidding me? And what if the "evidence" is foreign sourced intelligence, professor? That was vetted and found to be plausible? You ever stop to wonder why Treasury's financial crimes unit has an ongoing investigation? Spin baby spin. Lay those cards on the table Trump, show us what you got. I'm all in for his impeachment.BS44325 said:
Correct the President can't order a FISA on his own. That is not in dispute. He would likely be made aware of it however. We also don't know if it was the FBI who ordered the tap but "if" there even was a tap the President could not simply direct the Justice Department to make public the evidence. There are "sources and methods" issues that could be exposed especially if transcripts involve conversations with foreign governments. Cards will be put on the table in the coming weeks. Every newspaper and democratic politician who insinuated that there is evidence and/or recordings demonstrating Trump campaign collusion with Russia will either have to double down on the existence of this evidence through spying or admit they have nothing at all. On the flip side Trump will have to reveal what spying was conducted, who ordered it, and how was that info handeled. Based on the democratic walk backs by the media, people like Sen Chris Coons, Jon Favreau and others it appears that Trump has the upper hand. Democratic obsession with a possible loss to Trump triggered watergate level spying on a candidate. Those are the facts that you should be scared of.Halifax2TheMax said:
So, professor? What are Trump's reasons? Time for Trump to show his cards. But typical of your response, more distraction and factless deflection. You do realize that the POTUS can't order a FISA on his own, right? And if it's the FBI who sought and was granted a wire tap, Trump could direct the Justice Department to make public the evidence. You know this right? So why is Trump hiding behind a lie? Care to discuss facts, professor?BS44325 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So why are you giving it so much explanation? Triggered? Why don't we discuss the facts thus far of Trump's campaign ilk and their ties to Putin's ilk? Or Trump's complete fabrication that Obama tapped his ever prescious Trump Tower? Would you like to discuss facts, professor? Or continue your supposition and distractions? Professor?BS44325 said:
This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.mrussel1 said:
The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.BS44325 said:
Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?Bentleyspop said:The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......
Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730
“There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”https://youtu.be/PI1fvJmF1UU09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I like it.Merkin Baller said:
This Bloomberg article is pretty interesting:Tiki said:Is flat out lying to the American people an impeachable offense? It should be.
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to lie in any official document, court, police investigation or any kind of government inquiry.
This takes a while to load in but it's totally worth it.
LIES!
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-06/trump-s-wiretap-tweets-raise-risk-of-impeachmentBristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180 -
Does Treasurey financial crimes unit have an ongoing investigation? Are you sure about this? You seem to want to have it both ways. For months you have linked to sources detailing evidence against Trump that would only come from spying. Breitbart via Levin used these same sources to make their case. Now you want to flip it and say all these same sources are garbage. You also assume Trump only has this information and nothing else. Trump is the only one with access to everything. He knows what all the cards show and they will soon be put on the table.Halifax2TheMax said:
I'm afraid, really, really afraid. Now, about that asparagus and meatloaf? You're relying on a brietbart propagated defense of Trump's Saturday morning shit storm? The serial liar is finally going to speak the truth to power. Are you kidding me? And what if the "evidence" is foreign sourced intelligence, professor? That was vetted and found to be plausible? You ever stop to wonder why Treasury's financial crimes unit has an ongoing investigation? Spin baby spin. Lay those cards on the table Trump, show us what you got. I'm all in for his impeachment.BS44325 said:
Correct the President can't order a FISA on his own. That is not in dispute. He would likely be made aware of it however. We also don't know if it was the FBI who ordered the tap but "if" there even was a tap the President could not simply direct the Justice Department to make public the evidence. There are "sources and methods" issues that could be exposed especially if transcripts involve conversations with foreign governments. Cards will be put on the table in the coming weeks. Every newspaper and democratic politician who insinuated that there is evidence and/or recordings demonstrating Trump campaign collusion with Russia will either have to double down on the existence of this evidence through spying or admit they have nothing at all. On the flip side Trump will have to reveal what spying was conducted, who ordered it, and how was that info handeled. Based on the democratic walk backs by the media, people like Sen Chris Coons, Jon Favreau and others it appears that Trump has the upper hand. Democratic obsession with a possible loss to Trump triggered watergate level spying on a candidate. Those are the facts that you should be scared of.Halifax2TheMax said:
So, professor? What are Trump's reasons? Time for Trump to show his cards. But typical of your response, more distraction and factless deflection. You do realize that the POTUS can't order a FISA on his own, right? And if it's the FBI who sought and was granted a wire tap, Trump could direct the Justice Department to make public the evidence. You know this right? So why is Trump hiding behind a lie? Care to discuss facts, professor?BS44325 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So why are you giving it so much explanation? Triggered? Why don't we discuss the facts thus far of Trump's campaign ilk and their ties to Putin's ilk? Or Trump's complete fabrication that Obama tapped his ever prescious Trump Tower? Would you like to discuss facts, professor? Or continue your supposition and distractions? Professor?BS44325 said:
This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.mrussel1 said:
The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.BS44325 said:
Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?Bentleyspop said:The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......
Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730
“There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”https://youtu.be/PI1fvJmF1UU0 -
Do you like where it says it would be "watergate" if Trump is correct? Details of spying will come out and the only question after that will be who ordered it and based on what legal authority.Tiki said:
I like it.Merkin Baller said:
This Bloomberg article is pretty interesting:Tiki said:Is flat out lying to the American people an impeachable offense? It should be.
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to lie in any official document, court, police investigation or any kind of government inquiry.
This takes a while to load in but it's totally worth it.
LIES!
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-06/trump-s-wiretap-tweets-raise-risk-of-impeachment
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Or what evidence. You seem to think shit happens in a vacuum and are relying on the fantasy that Obama, Mr. Prudent, did what he did to destroy his political opponent a la Nixon. You're such a sound judge of character, professor.BS44325 said:
Do you like where it says it would be "watergate" if Trump is correct? Details of spying will come out and the only question after that will be who ordered it and based on what legal authority.Tiki said:
I like it.Merkin Baller said:
This Bloomberg article is pretty interesting:Tiki said:Is flat out lying to the American people an impeachable offense? It should be.
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to lie in any official document, court, police investigation or any kind of government inquiry.
This takes a while to load in but it's totally worth it.
LIES!
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-06/trump-s-wiretap-tweets-raise-risk-of-impeachment09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Do you like how I've said time and time again that the OF is a compulsive liar?
Where are the details on the massive voter fraud?
I was a newspaper photographer back in the 90s and I don't take kindly to me or my ilk being called dishonest, especially by that OF.Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180
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