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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,458
    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Trump is clearly on his way to a massively failed presidency, sponsored by the kremlin... the majority of the planet is going to hate him...

    But BS will still be here defending him lol

    No. I told you that I am results driven. There are currently no results other then tumult and your emotions. The same kind of tumult and emotions that led you and everyone else to declare that he and the GOP were on their way to a massive electoral defeat. If you were intelligent you would say to yourself..."I have my predictions but I really have no idea how this will all turnout". That is where I am at and for the record I have predicted failure. I have predicted failure though not because of the man but because of the extent of the world's problems that you don't see yet lay before us all. I believe the world is essentially irreparable and that Trump is a final gamble to set things right. You believe that the world is generally ok (nothing to be afraid of I believe you said) but that Trump himself is the crisis (we must fear him!).
    Wow, aren't you the pessimistic apocalyptic seer. This explains a lot about what you post. If I believed the world was doomed beyond repair, then I guess Trump as president wouldn't matter to me that much either. You have given up on the world. Time to get in your bunker. Those that care will continue to fight for a better world. Maybe quit watching Seven on repeat. You sound like Morgan Freeman at the end.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Trump is clearly on his way to a massively failed presidency, sponsored by the kremlin... the majority of the planet is going to hate him...

    But BS will still be here defending him lol

    No. I told you that I am results driven. There are currently no results other then tumult and your emotions. The same kind of tumult and emotions that led you and everyone else to declare that he and the GOP were on their way to a massive electoral defeat. If you were intelligent you would say to yourself..."I have my predictions but I really have no idea how this will all turnout". That is where I am at and for the record I have predicted failure. I have predicted failure though not because of the man but because of the extent of the world's problems that you don't see yet lay before us all. I believe the world is essentially irreparable and that Trump is a final gamble to set things right. You believe that the world is generally ok (nothing to be afraid of I believe you said) but that Trump himself is the crisis (we must fear him!).
    If I were intelligent? I'm at least in the average range... on a good day lol

    Are you Steve Bannon? All that apocalyptic doom & gloom must go down smooth with the morning yogurt

    I tell you what... I'm well aware of the issues facing the human race moving forward... all caused by humans... let me say this clearly... I have ZERO issue with the human race being wiped off the planet... it would be an improvement... and hopefully something a little more enlightened will come along and take better care of each other... and take better care of the garden that we are destroying in the name of profit and imaginary borders

    https://youtu.be/neGdoqsuiN8
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    my2hands said:



    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Trump is clearly on his way to a massively failed presidency, sponsored by the kremlin... the majority of the planet is going to hate him...

    But BS will still be here defending him lol

    No. I told you that I am results driven. There are currently no results other then tumult and your emotions. The same kind of tumult and emotions that led you and everyone else to declare that he and the GOP were on their way to a massive electoral defeat. If you were intelligent you would say to yourself..."I have my predictions but I really have no idea how this will all turnout". That is where I am at and for the record I have predicted failure. I have predicted failure though not because of the man but because of the extent of the world's problems that you don't see yet lay before us all. I believe the world is essentially irreparable and that Trump is a final gamble to set things right. You believe that the world is generally ok (nothing to be afraid of I believe you said) but that Trump himself is the crisis (we must fear him!).
    If I were intelligent? I'm at least in the average range... on a good day lol

    Are you Steve Bannon? All that apocalyptic doom & gloom must go down smooth with the morning yogurt

    I tell you what... I'm well aware of the issues facing the human race moving forward... all caused by humans... let me say this clearly... I have ZERO issue with the human race being wiped off the planet... it would be an improvement... and hopefully something a little more enlightened will come along and take better care of each other... and take better care of the garden that we are destroying in the name of profit and imaginary borders

    https://youtu.be/neGdoqsuiN8
    classic !!! thanks for the laugh ! just when I thought nobody here had a since of humor....BOOM ! I read this..

  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    oftenreading said:

    Deflating the "Trump as mastermind" theory....... which I believe we've heard here on AMT.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/02/tracking_the_conspiracy_theories_about_donald_trump_s_first_weeks_in_office.html

    I have put forth this theory and as I said earlier I flip back and forth on it all the time. Clearly he ran a genius general election campaign with respect to media management and general strategy while spending extremely little money. Even if you hate him or you dislike his style of campaigning (I dislike his style!) you must recognize that on the campaign front his instincts were remarkable. Now the question following this is can campaigning "genius" be converted to a "genius" in governing? The jury is still out on this and again I think it is wrong to not at least ask yourself the question. When I ask it of myself I consider his behaviour and say "If he is a genius and his style is intentional what could be long term benefits of his current behaviour and how would that compare to the long term risk?". I have some theories that I doubt any of you care about but when I break it down I still see some possible benefits of his continued "politically provocative rhetoric/actions" even though I personally find the style to be distasteful (a point which I have been consistent on since I said he could win many months ago). The biggest problem with the #resistance, the democratic party, and of course the AMT is the level of certainty you all have. By thinking you're infallible you are tempting fate instead.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited February 2017
    BS44325 said:

    oftenreading said:

    Deflating the "Trump as mastermind" theory....... which I believe we've heard here on AMT.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/02/tracking_the_conspiracy_theories_about_donald_trump_s_first_weeks_in_office.html

    I have put forth this theory and as I said earlier I flip back and forth on it all the time. Clearly he ran a genius general election campaign with respect to media management and general strategy while spending extremely little money. Even if you hate him or you dislike his style of campaigning (I dislike his style!) you must recognize that on the campaign front his instincts were remarkable. Now the question following this is can campaigning "genius" be converted to a "genius" in governing? The jury is still out on this and again I think it is wrong to not at least ask yourself the question. When I ask it of myself I consider his behaviour and say "If he is a genius and his style is intentional what could be long term benefits of his current behaviour and how would that compare to the long term risk?". I have some theories that I doubt any of you care about but when I break it down I still see some possible benefits of his continued "politically provocative rhetoric/actions" even though I personally find the style to be distasteful (a point which I have been consistent on since I said he could win many months ago). The biggest problem with the #resistance, the democratic party, and of course the AMT is the level of certainty you all have. By thinking you're infallible you are tempting fate instead.
    Was his campaign actually 'genius'?

    It was successful- we can't debate that, but I'm wondering if it was more a case of being atypical and not necessarily by design. I think that Trump stumbled (I say stumbled) on to a tactic that has never been tried before: appeal to the non-intellects who are incapable of questioning exactly how Trump was going to Make America Great Again. Then, toss in some race based rhetoric like building a wall and banning some Muslims and look at me now...

    Remember... he was shitting his pants already declaring himself the loser prior to winning. He didn't even give himself a chance based on his crying.

    I don't think it was genius. I think it was revealing.
    Post edited by Thirty Bills Unpaid on
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    tbergs said:

    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Trump is clearly on his way to a massively failed presidency, sponsored by the kremlin... the majority of the planet is going to hate him...

    But BS will still be here defending him lol

    No. I told you that I am results driven. There are currently no results other then tumult and your emotions. The same kind of tumult and emotions that led you and everyone else to declare that he and the GOP were on their way to a massive electoral defeat. If you were intelligent you would say to yourself..."I have my predictions but I really have no idea how this will all turnout". That is where I am at and for the record I have predicted failure. I have predicted failure though not because of the man but because of the extent of the world's problems that you don't see yet lay before us all. I believe the world is essentially irreparable and that Trump is a final gamble to set things right. You believe that the world is generally ok (nothing to be afraid of I believe you said) but that Trump himself is the crisis (we must fear him!).
    Wow, aren't you the pessimistic apocalyptic seer. This explains a lot about what you post. If I believed the world was doomed beyond repair, then I guess Trump as president wouldn't matter to me that much either. You have given up on the world. Time to get in your bunker. Those that care will continue to fight for a better world. Maybe quit watching Seven on repeat. You sound like Morgan Freeman at the end.
    Those that care are fighting for a better world. That is the point. I believe Morgan Freeman said exactly that.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    my2hands said:



    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Trump is clearly on his way to a massively failed presidency, sponsored by the kremlin... the majority of the planet is going to hate him...

    But BS will still be here defending him lol

    No. I told you that I am results driven. There are currently no results other then tumult and your emotions. The same kind of tumult and emotions that led you and everyone else to declare that he and the GOP were on their way to a massive electoral defeat. If you were intelligent you would say to yourself..."I have my predictions but I really have no idea how this will all turnout". That is where I am at and for the record I have predicted failure. I have predicted failure though not because of the man but because of the extent of the world's problems that you don't see yet lay before us all. I believe the world is essentially irreparable and that Trump is a final gamble to set things right. You believe that the world is generally ok (nothing to be afraid of I believe you said) but that Trump himself is the crisis (we must fear him!).
    If I were intelligent? I'm at least in the average range... on a good day lol

    Are you Steve Bannon? All that apocalyptic doom & gloom must go down smooth with the morning yogurt

    I tell you what... I'm well aware of the issues facing the human race moving forward... all caused by humans... let me say this clearly... I have ZERO issue with the human race being wiped off the planet... it would be an improvement... and hopefully something a little more enlightened will come along and take better care of each other... and take better care of the garden that we are destroying in the name of profit and imaginary borders

    https://youtu.be/neGdoqsuiN8
    Ha. I don't think I would describe it as apocalyptic doom & gloom...life will go on...it always does...it will just be lived in a very different and more difficult way. I am glad however that you admit that you believe the human race being wiped off the planet would be an improvement. That is what I think progressives generally believe and you have confirmed it. It is that type of thinking that myself and others are trying to combat. We want to survive.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    BS44325 said:

    oftenreading said:

    Deflating the "Trump as mastermind" theory....... which I believe we've heard here on AMT.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/02/tracking_the_conspiracy_theories_about_donald_trump_s_first_weeks_in_office.html

    I have put forth this theory and as I said earlier I flip back and forth on it all the time. Clearly he ran a genius general election campaign with respect to media management and general strategy while spending extremely little money. Even if you hate him or you dislike his style of campaigning (I dislike his style!) you must recognize that on the campaign front his instincts were remarkable. Now the question following this is can campaigning "genius" be converted to a "genius" in governing? The jury is still out on this and again I think it is wrong to not at least ask yourself the question. When I ask it of myself I consider his behaviour and say "If he is a genius and his style is intentional what could be long term benefits of his current behaviour and how would that compare to the long term risk?". I have some theories that I doubt any of you care about but when I break it down I still see some possible benefits of his continued "politically provocative rhetoric/actions" even though I personally find the style to be distasteful (a point which I have been consistent on since I said he could win many months ago). The biggest problem with the #resistance, the democratic party, and of course the AMT is the level of certainty you all have. By thinking you're infallible you are tempting fate instead.
    I don't think you can call Hillary a horrible candidate and Trump's campaign a genius strategy at the same time. it's one or the other.

    I have zero idea how the media got it so horribly wrong with their estimates of him having as low as a 3% chance of winning the election. But I don't think he was brilliant. I think he goofed his way into the white house. Looking back, I think had it been any other republican candidate the margin of victory would have been much bigger.
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    BS44325 said:

    oftenreading said:

    Deflating the "Trump as mastermind" theory....... which I believe we've heard here on AMT.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/02/tracking_the_conspiracy_theories_about_donald_trump_s_first_weeks_in_office.html

    I have put forth this theory and as I said earlier I flip back and forth on it all the time. Clearly he ran a genius general election campaign with respect to media management and general strategy while spending extremely little money. Even if you hate him or you dislike his style of campaigning (I dislike his style!) you must recognize that on the campaign front his instincts were remarkable. Now the question following this is can campaigning "genius" be converted to a "genius" in governing? The jury is still out on this and again I think it is wrong to not at least ask yourself the question. When I ask it of myself I consider his behaviour and say "If he is a genius and his style is intentional what could be long term benefits of his current behaviour and how would that compare to the long term risk?". I have some theories that I doubt any of you care about but when I break it down I still see some possible benefits of his continued "politically provocative rhetoric/actions" even though I personally find the style to be distasteful (a point which I have been consistent on since I said he could win many months ago). The biggest problem with the #resistance, the democratic party, and of course the AMT is the level of certainty you all have. By thinking you're infallible you are tempting fate instead.
    I don't think you can call Hillary a horrible candidate and Trump's campaign a genius strategy at the same time. it's one or the other.

    I have zero idea how the media got it so horribly wrong with their estimates of him having as low as a 3% chance of winning the election. But I don't think he was brilliant. I think he goofed his way into the white house. Looking back, I think had it been any other republican candidate the margin of victory would have been much bigger.
    I think it can be both. I also think what started with a lot of "goofing" became more tailored as time went on even if the style was still objectionable.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    BS44325 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    BS44325 said:

    oftenreading said:

    Deflating the "Trump as mastermind" theory....... which I believe we've heard here on AMT.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/02/tracking_the_conspiracy_theories_about_donald_trump_s_first_weeks_in_office.html

    I have put forth this theory and as I said earlier I flip back and forth on it all the time. Clearly he ran a genius general election campaign with respect to media management and general strategy while spending extremely little money. Even if you hate him or you dislike his style of campaigning (I dislike his style!) you must recognize that on the campaign front his instincts were remarkable. Now the question following this is can campaigning "genius" be converted to a "genius" in governing? The jury is still out on this and again I think it is wrong to not at least ask yourself the question. When I ask it of myself I consider his behaviour and say "If he is a genius and his style is intentional what could be long term benefits of his current behaviour and how would that compare to the long term risk?". I have some theories that I doubt any of you care about but when I break it down I still see some possible benefits of his continued "politically provocative rhetoric/actions" even though I personally find the style to be distasteful (a point which I have been consistent on since I said he could win many months ago). The biggest problem with the #resistance, the democratic party, and of course the AMT is the level of certainty you all have. By thinking you're infallible you are tempting fate instead.
    I don't think you can call Hillary a horrible candidate and Trump's campaign a genius strategy at the same time. it's one or the other.

    I have zero idea how the media got it so horribly wrong with their estimates of him having as low as a 3% chance of winning the election. But I don't think he was brilliant. I think he goofed his way into the white house. Looking back, I think had it been any other republican candidate the margin of victory would have been much bigger.
    I think it can be both. I also think what started with a lot of "goofing" became more tailored as time went on even if the style was still objectionable.
    so winning a race against a horrible candidate is genius? is michael jordan declared the greatest of all time because he beat ricky gervais in a game of 21?

    I honestly think he was winging it the whole time. looking back at his speeches, they were all off the cuff, nothing of substance, rambling, "bing bing bing" and whatnot. it wasn't genius or calculated. it seems clear now that a rabid monkey could have beat hillary. and he did.
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    BS44325 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    BS44325 said:

    oftenreading said:

    Deflating the "Trump as mastermind" theory....... which I believe we've heard here on AMT.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/02/tracking_the_conspiracy_theories_about_donald_trump_s_first_weeks_in_office.html

    I have put forth this theory and as I said earlier I flip back and forth on it all the time. Clearly he ran a genius general election campaign with respect to media management and general strategy while spending extremely little money. Even if you hate him or you dislike his style of campaigning (I dislike his style!) you must recognize that on the campaign front his instincts were remarkable. Now the question following this is can campaigning "genius" be converted to a "genius" in governing? The jury is still out on this and again I think it is wrong to not at least ask yourself the question. When I ask it of myself I consider his behaviour and say "If he is a genius and his style is intentional what could be long term benefits of his current behaviour and how would that compare to the long term risk?". I have some theories that I doubt any of you care about but when I break it down I still see some possible benefits of his continued "politically provocative rhetoric/actions" even though I personally find the style to be distasteful (a point which I have been consistent on since I said he could win many months ago). The biggest problem with the #resistance, the democratic party, and of course the AMT is the level of certainty you all have. By thinking you're infallible you are tempting fate instead.
    I don't think you can call Hillary a horrible candidate and Trump's campaign a genius strategy at the same time. it's one or the other.

    I have zero idea how the media got it so horribly wrong with their estimates of him having as low as a 3% chance of winning the election. But I don't think he was brilliant. I think he goofed his way into the white house. Looking back, I think had it been any other republican candidate the margin of victory would have been much bigger.
    I think it can be both. I also think what started with a lot of "goofing" became more tailored as time went on even if the style was still objectionable.
    so winning a race against a horrible candidate is genius? is michael jordan declared the greatest of all time because he beat ricky gervais in a game of 21?

    I honestly think he was winging it the whole time. looking back at his speeches, they were all off the cuff, nothing of substance, rambling, "bing bing bing" and whatnot. it wasn't genius or calculated. it seems clear now that a rabid monkey could have beat hillary. and he did.
    There was certainly some degree of winging it. I said he was making it up as he went along many times. There were "instincts" though that subconsciously were very accurate in terms of messaging. We can laugh about the meaning of Make America Great Again but just as Yes We Can was brilliant so was MAGA. Both shallow as hell but both equally brilliant. In terms about running against Hillary it is not just that but his defeat of the entire Republican establishment. Part of that was recognizing the timing in running during a race that was ready to be Bush vs Clinton. Sometimes genius is recognizing moments of opportunity and his instincts were right that this was the time that Americans (a percentage anyway) would be ready for an outsider. I believe that he was completely surprised that his strategy worked in the end but that doesn't make his strategy any less "smart". I am also not convinced that another republican would have won even though I supported every other republican before Trump. The want for an "outsider" was pretty paramount...anybody else might have been seen as part of the status quo which was deemed unacceptable.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Sure, Trump can recognize opportunities. Unfortunately, his history shows that he generally fucks them up in some manner.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    oftenreading said:

    Sure, Trump can recognize opportunities. Unfortunately, his history shows that he generally fucks them up in some manner.

    History shows the exact opposite. His successes far outnumber his failures. This cannot be denied. The only question is whether this history of success can be translated to effective governing. Nobody has the answer to this yet.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    BS44325 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    BS44325 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    BS44325 said:

    oftenreading said:

    Deflating the "Trump as mastermind" theory....... which I believe we've heard here on AMT.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/02/tracking_the_conspiracy_theories_about_donald_trump_s_first_weeks_in_office.html

    I have put forth this theory and as I said earlier I flip back and forth on it all the time. Clearly he ran a genius general election campaign with respect to media management and general strategy while spending extremely little money. Even if you hate him or you dislike his style of campaigning (I dislike his style!) you must recognize that on the campaign front his instincts were remarkable. Now the question following this is can campaigning "genius" be converted to a "genius" in governing? The jury is still out on this and again I think it is wrong to not at least ask yourself the question. When I ask it of myself I consider his behaviour and say "If he is a genius and his style is intentional what could be long term benefits of his current behaviour and how would that compare to the long term risk?". I have some theories that I doubt any of you care about but when I break it down I still see some possible benefits of his continued "politically provocative rhetoric/actions" even though I personally find the style to be distasteful (a point which I have been consistent on since I said he could win many months ago). The biggest problem with the #resistance, the democratic party, and of course the AMT is the level of certainty you all have. By thinking you're infallible you are tempting fate instead.
    I don't think you can call Hillary a horrible candidate and Trump's campaign a genius strategy at the same time. it's one or the other.

    I have zero idea how the media got it so horribly wrong with their estimates of him having as low as a 3% chance of winning the election. But I don't think he was brilliant. I think he goofed his way into the white house. Looking back, I think had it been any other republican candidate the margin of victory would have been much bigger.
    I think it can be both. I also think what started with a lot of "goofing" became more tailored as time went on even if the style was still objectionable.
    so winning a race against a horrible candidate is genius? is michael jordan declared the greatest of all time because he beat ricky gervais in a game of 21?

    I honestly think he was winging it the whole time. looking back at his speeches, they were all off the cuff, nothing of substance, rambling, "bing bing bing" and whatnot. it wasn't genius or calculated. it seems clear now that a rabid monkey could have beat hillary. and he did.
    There was certainly some degree of winging it. I said he was making it up as he went along many times. There were "instincts" though that subconsciously were very accurate in terms of messaging. We can laugh about the meaning of Make America Great Again but just as Yes We Can was brilliant so was MAGA. Both shallow as hell but both equally brilliant. In terms about running against Hillary it is not just that but his defeat of the entire Republican establishment. Part of that was recognizing the timing in running during a race that was ready to be Bush vs Clinton. Sometimes genius is recognizing moments of opportunity and his instincts were right that this was the time that Americans (a percentage anyway) would be ready for an outsider. I believe that he was completely surprised that his strategy worked in the end but that doesn't make his strategy any less "smart". I am also not convinced that another republican would have won even though I supported every other republican before Trump. The want for an "outsider" was pretty paramount...anybody else might have been seen as part of the status quo which was deemed unacceptable.
    Saying the country was ready for an outsider and that's why trump was elected is an attempt to make sense of something after the fact, a kind of cherry pick where you're polishing a turd. Sanders, not an outsider, would have beaten trump. if republicans could've narrowed down the list in the primaries, trump wouldn't be president. trump's style connected with a group of people at a core emotional level. If he was Senator trump, he would've got the same number of votes.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    The genius has historically low approval. Keep working that giant good brain of yours Trump.

    The daily tracking poll found that just 40% of Americans approve of President Trump's job as president so far, compared to 55% who say the disapprove. The negative 15-point spread is the highest recorded in the poll since Trump took office January 20.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/donald-trump-approval-poll-low-gallup/index.html
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Go Beavers said:

    BS44325 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    BS44325 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    BS44325 said:

    oftenreading said:

    Deflating the "Trump as mastermind" theory....... which I believe we've heard here on AMT.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/02/tracking_the_conspiracy_theories_about_donald_trump_s_first_weeks_in_office.html

    I have put forth this theory and as I said earlier I flip back and forth on it all the time. Clearly he ran a genius general election campaign with respect to media management and general strategy while spending extremely little money. Even if you hate him or you dislike his style of campaigning (I dislike his style!) you must recognize that on the campaign front his instincts were remarkable. Now the question following this is can campaigning "genius" be converted to a "genius" in governing? The jury is still out on this and again I think it is wrong to not at least ask yourself the question. When I ask it of myself I consider his behaviour and say "If he is a genius and his style is intentional what could be long term benefits of his current behaviour and how would that compare to the long term risk?". I have some theories that I doubt any of you care about but when I break it down I still see some possible benefits of his continued "politically provocative rhetoric/actions" even though I personally find the style to be distasteful (a point which I have been consistent on since I said he could win many months ago). The biggest problem with the #resistance, the democratic party, and of course the AMT is the level of certainty you all have. By thinking you're infallible you are tempting fate instead.
    I don't think you can call Hillary a horrible candidate and Trump's campaign a genius strategy at the same time. it's one or the other.

    I have zero idea how the media got it so horribly wrong with their estimates of him having as low as a 3% chance of winning the election. But I don't think he was brilliant. I think he goofed his way into the white house. Looking back, I think had it been any other republican candidate the margin of victory would have been much bigger.
    I think it can be both. I also think what started with a lot of "goofing" became more tailored as time went on even if the style was still objectionable.
    so winning a race against a horrible candidate is genius? is michael jordan declared the greatest of all time because he beat ricky gervais in a game of 21?

    I honestly think he was winging it the whole time. looking back at his speeches, they were all off the cuff, nothing of substance, rambling, "bing bing bing" and whatnot. it wasn't genius or calculated. it seems clear now that a rabid monkey could have beat hillary. and he did.
    There was certainly some degree of winging it. I said he was making it up as he went along many times. There were "instincts" though that subconsciously were very accurate in terms of messaging. We can laugh about the meaning of Make America Great Again but just as Yes We Can was brilliant so was MAGA. Both shallow as hell but both equally brilliant. In terms about running against Hillary it is not just that but his defeat of the entire Republican establishment. Part of that was recognizing the timing in running during a race that was ready to be Bush vs Clinton. Sometimes genius is recognizing moments of opportunity and his instincts were right that this was the time that Americans (a percentage anyway) would be ready for an outsider. I believe that he was completely surprised that his strategy worked in the end but that doesn't make his strategy any less "smart". I am also not convinced that another republican would have won even though I supported every other republican before Trump. The want for an "outsider" was pretty paramount...anybody else might have been seen as part of the status quo which was deemed unacceptable.
    Saying the country was ready for an outsider and that's why trump was elected is an attempt to make sense of something after the fact, a kind of cherry pick where you're polishing a turd. Sanders, not an outsider, would have beaten trump. if republicans could've narrowed down the list in the primaries, trump wouldn't be president. trump's style connected with a group of people at a core emotional level. If he was Senator trump, he would've got the same number of votes.
    It is hardly polishing a turd...it was his entire campaign platform. Also "if" (and that's a big if) Sanders could have won it would have been because he was not a Democratic Party member and therefore was able to run as an outsider even though he served in the Senate. A Senator Trump with an actual voting record and as a member of an actual party would not have been able to play fast and loose with big issues like the war in Iraq. He would have been damaged for sure and would have no case against a Bush v Clinton match up.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    dignin said:

    The genius has historically low approval. Keep working that giant good brain of yours Trump.

    The daily tracking poll found that just 40% of Americans approve of President Trump's job as president so far, compared to 55% who say the disapprove. The negative 15-point spread is the highest recorded in the poll since Trump took office January 20.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/donald-trump-approval-poll-low-gallup/index.html

    And yet...

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/donald-trump-support-popularity-vigo-county-214774

    He had low approval ratings during the entire campaign. The question is are the approval ratings electorally significant?
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    It must be a holiday in Canada with all of the pontification.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    this morning he tweeted a random attack at Mark Cuban, saying he wasn't smart enough to be president. then someone uncovered a recent NYP article saying that Mark Cuban could be Trump's undoing in 2020. My god is he insecure.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/real-time/Heres-why-President-Trump-attacked-NBA-owner-Mark-Cuban-out-of-nowhere.html

    Later in the day, Cuban seemed to figure out why Trump decided to launch an attack on him out of the blue.

    “Someone close to him told me it was a New York Post article saying I was a 2020 threat,” Cuban told the Huffington Post. “That’s all I know.”

    Posted at 6:52 a.m., less than an hour before Trump launched his early-morning attack on Cuban, a story by Penn graduate Aaron Short went live on the Post’s website suggesting that the White House’s “biggest fear” is that Cuban would run against Trump in 2020.

    “If you believe in the Trump revolution, you can believe a candidate like Mark Cuban could win an election,” one White House source told Short. “And Mark is the kind of guy who would drop half a billion dollars of his own money on the race.”
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    It must be a holiday in Canada with all of the pontification.

    Ha. I wish.
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