Obamacare is a mess

PJfanwillneverleave1 · February 2017

^^^
I agree with you once again often

EdsonNascimento up here we all agree that no matter what if you need healthcare you will receive the best no matter your situation.
We are all human.

oftenreading · February 2017

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
^^^
I agree with you once again often
EdsonNascimento up here we all agree that no matter what if you need healthcare you will receive the best no matter your situation.
We are all human.

There's a run on snow shovels in Hell right now.

oftenreading · February 2017

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:
It's a mess because republicans have sabotaged it. From day one. They even opposed pieces that they previously supported. All to "see this president fail." And they still don't have a solution other than, "let the market decide." Which isn't a solution.
How,did they sabotage it? By not writing a blank check? Good for them.
Republicans in congress, rather than work with Obama, fought it tooth and nail, the idea of universal care. Rather than be part of the process, they screamed death panels and opposed compromise they previously supported. Then republican states barred the expansion of Medicare as an alternative option. And still they have no plan. None.

Prior to Obamacare, my premiums and copays increased by double digit %'s year after year after year. The only times they didn't is when I was a union member and collectively we spoke up and since passage, my premiums increased in single % digits and have stayed flat for the past two years. But then again, I work in a state that embraced romneycare from day one and it's what?, only been a decade? And yes, I get excellent care.

So, what's Trump's solution? Here's a clue, he doesn't have one.
Well, if you look at HealthyIndiana you start to get an idea. Ryan has put forth some ideas too. It's not necessarily trumps job to come up with a solution. Oh for the days when congress was the legislature.

Is your plan on the exchanges?

I've done union employee benefits. You guys were giving up other stuff to maintain those things, it's a choice, which is fine. You made that collectively. Wish we had that for Obamacare.

And not disagreeing with the rhetoric you sited, but it's just that rhetoric. Cut through that. How were the republicans given a chance? Obama and Pelosi rammed a 2,000 page bill through without allowing anyone to read it. Nice revisionist history in your part.
Because during negotiations the repubs failed to offer alternatives, support or anything that would result in a final product or victory for Obama. Even after he agreed to address their concerns. They failed. Because all they were concerned about was seeing him fail.

Why is it that all of our allies have universal health care? Is it really that bad of a concept? It is the 21st century afterall.
We do have universal health care. I guess it's how you define that. When other countries have our diversity, they can start comparing problems. Did you know there's a small area in Queens NY that has more ethnicities than anywhere in the world? Does Canada have as many ethnicities as Queens NY in its entire country?

The US has universal health care - if Orwell defines the term.

Spiritual_Chaos · February 2017

You should just pay for you're healthcare through taxes like normal countries. And move away from this love of privatizing everything.

PJPOWER · February 2017

Spiritual_Chaos said:
You should just pay for you're healthcare through taxes like normal countries. And move away from this love of privatizing everything.

What about people that refuse to work? I'm not talking about those that have some disability, but those that just are not willing? Or those that do not pay taxes? Should they get the same standard of healthcare as someone that busts their ass 60 hrs a week and pays 30-50% of their wages in taxes to fund this universal healthcare? I'm fine with it as long as there are still certain standards. If, by free will, you do not contribute to society in any way, then society should not be obligated to contribute to your health and wellbeing, right? Essentially if some adult fat ass chain smoker sits around all day eating cheetos and playing video games instead of seeking employment...they are effectively opting out of insured healthcare.

Godfather. · February 2017

what ever happened to earning what you have ? this country has been carrying freeloaders for waaayyyy to long now, watch them scatter like rats when it's time to support themselves.
just in case....I'm not talking about disabled people, although there are many who play the system as disabled.

benjs · February 2017

Godfather. said:
what ever happened to earning what you have ? this country has been carrying freeloaders for waaayyyy to long now, watch them scatter like rats when it's time to support themselves.
just in case....I'm not talking about disabled people, although there are many who play the system as disabled.

Well, first you'd have to speak to opportunity. I was fortunate enough to be born into a middle class life; I work for my family's business, and have a great opportunity to prove myself and grow here - meaning my opportunity ceiling is quite high.

If I wasn't born this way, if my family couldn't afford a quality education for me, my public school system wasn't able to assist me to excel, my family couldn't assist me in supporting my own ventures - my opportunity ceiling would be quite low. What you call "freeloaders" might legitimately be people at their opportunity ceilings: they're unemployable because they lack the skills because they couldn't afford the education to get them in the door to an environment which offered growth. They might also just be practical enough to see that the jobs that their opportunity ceilings afford them would generate less money than the welfare they consume - so which route is a person to take: hard work for nominal pay, or no work for slightly better pay?

These are not hypothetical questions, they are very real situations for many, many people. If you want to negate this question over who pays for health care - raise the opportunity ceiling for America's poorest (by education and by wealth), so that they can start to fend for themselves. Ensuring a quality education for all is a good start to combat the perception of perpetual destitution, which I'd guess many of these "freeloaders" you describe feel day to day - this is arguably the most critical tool to growth and empowerment.

mace1229 · February 2017

rssesq said:
have a "cadillac" plan with anthem bc/bs, before ACA $395, now $690
Appreciate it bro.

Those are exactly my thoughts. 8 years ago I was paying a fraction of what I pay now for healthcare. And what I get now is worse.
I don't know how anyone can think it is a good idea when they advertise that they need to get healthy people to sign up and overpay s they can charge less for unhealthy people. Yes, it is good for people with existing conditions who are not in a group plan with their employment, but to me that doesn't justify it. Who would ever say overcharge good drivers so those terrible drivers can have more affordable auto insurance?
I was doing taxes this weekend and it was something close to 30% of my would be take-home pay went to benefits, it is insane! We are an average family, with just about average nationwide income, and to have 30% of my pay taken away when several years ago it would have been a fraction of that is unacceptable to me. And that is just my contribution, my employer pays about 60% of the benefits, which in reality is just taken out of my pay before I ever see it.
Do the math and it doesn't even make sense to have insurance anymore, but we have to. What I mean by that is you would think, like in a car accident, a major expense you would be happy to be covered and feel it was worth it for that year. Nope, not with health insurance. We had a baby last year, and with 3 nights in the hospital and delivery bills and all the other expenses involved we essentially broke even for that month-meaning our hospital bills had we not been insured is what our premiums for that month were (actually, to be fair, it would have taken 2 months of premiums to cover that cost). And that's freaking having a baby and staying 3 nights in the hospital, the average family will only have a handful of expenses in their lifetime that are more than that. SO every month that we do not have overnight hospital visits we are not even coming close to making it worth while. That to me is absurd, a situation like that should be a moment of "I'm sure glad we have insurance, otherwise how else could we afford this?" but it is far from that! If you got into a car accident and your insurance paid out your car for $3000, but your month premiums were $1500, wouldn't that be a waste? You could total your car every other month and still break even by not having insurance.
I personally know several healthy people who chose to not have insurance because their premiums would be so high (to make up for the rest) that they'd rather pay cash for all doctor visits and pay the tax penalty. And aside from some cancer diagnosis that requires years of treatment, they will have made the right choice financially.
I just cant justify the cost of coverage. And the increase is not inflation, inflation has not tripled in 8 years, I can still buy a donut for $0.59 at Safeway,
And the coverage is worse. My coverage used to include mental health, so we could see a psychiatrist. Not covered anymore, if my wife wants to see her psychiatrists she saw 8 years ago, its going to cost us $500/month. Aren't most of the mass shootings mental health issues? Shouldn't we be worried about that too? But since its not required now, its not covered.

ElderlyWomanOH · February 2017

"The RNC’s “fact check” goes on to list more figures from the KFF survey, including the accurate statistic that the average premium for single coverage through employers has gone up 28 percent “under Obama” That’s right again, but much lower than the growth of individual premiums during Bush’s first six years. That increase was 72 percent." http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/slower-premium-growth-under-obama/

Premiums have consistently risen for many years and actual benefits have declined. This is true. Where is the money going? Insurance companies.

And yet the U.S. is #42 in life expectancy. Canada, with healthcare for all, is #19.

EdsonNascimento · February 2017

oftenreading said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:
It's a mess because republicans have sabotaged it. From day one. They even opposed pieces that they previously supported. All to "see this president fail." And they still don't have a solution other than, "let the market decide." Which isn't a solution.
How,did they sabotage it? By not writing a blank check? Good for them.
Republicans in congress, rather than work with Obama, fought it tooth and nail, the idea of universal care. Rather than be part of the process, they screamed death panels and opposed compromise they previously supported. Then republican states barred the expansion of Medicare as an alternative option. And still they have no plan. None.

Prior to Obamacare, my premiums and copays increased by double digit %'s year after year after year. The only times they didn't is when I was a union member and collectively we spoke up and since passage, my premiums increased in single % digits and have stayed flat for the past two years. But then again, I work in a state that embraced romneycare from day one and it's what?, only been a decade? And yes, I get excellent care.

So, what's Trump's solution? Here's a clue, he doesn't have one.
Well, if you look at HealthyIndiana you start to get an idea. Ryan has put forth some ideas too. It's not necessarily trumps job to come up with a solution. Oh for the days when congress was the legislature.

Is your plan on the exchanges?

I've done union employee benefits. You guys were giving up other stuff to maintain those things, it's a choice, which is fine. You made that collectively. Wish we had that for Obamacare.

And not disagreeing with the rhetoric you sited, but it's just that rhetoric. Cut through that. How were the republicans given a chance? Obama and Pelosi rammed a 2,000 page bill through without allowing anyone to read it. Nice revisionist history in your part.
Because during negotiations the repubs failed to offer alternatives, support or anything that would result in a final product or victory for Obama. Even after he agreed to address their concerns. They failed. Because all they were concerned about was seeing him fail.

Why is it that all of our allies have universal health care? Is it really that bad of a concept? It is the 21st century afterall.
We do have universal health care. I guess it's how you define that. When other countries have our diversity, they can start comparing problems. Did you know there's a small area in Queens NY that has more ethnicities than anywhere in the world? Does Canada have as many ethnicities as Queens NY in its entire country?
It doesn't matter what ethnicity you are, you still deserve health care. That's a ridiculous non sequitur.

And the US has universal health care? By what measure?

I think you missed the point. It wasn't about the ethnicities but the diversity. Sure, I could have picked a better word.

But, feel free to interpret however you want. The point is, we have far more diversity and all that means both in terms of socioeconomic status, health issues, genetics and everything else that goes into both healthcare considerations and financing. So, I do apologize if my choice of words threw you off.

EdsonNascimento · February 2017

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
^^^
I agree with you once again often
EdsonNascimento up here we all agree that no matter what if you need healthcare you will receive the best no matter your situation.
We are all human.

I'm not sure where up here is, but if it's Canada (maybe you meant heaven?), then you are wrong. Why can people buy supplemental plans that get them better access to care? If everyone got the best, that would be unnecessary. No?

Go Beavers · February 2017

EdsonNascimento said:

oftenreading said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:
It's a mess because republicans have sabotaged it. From day one. They even opposed pieces that they previously supported. All to "see this president fail." And they still don't have a solution other than, "let the market decide." Which isn't a solution.
How,did they sabotage it? By not writing a blank check? Good for them.
Republicans in congress, rather than work with Obama, fought it tooth and nail, the idea of universal care. Rather than be part of the process, they screamed death panels and opposed compromise they previously supported. Then republican states barred the expansion of Medicare as an alternative option. And still they have no plan. None.

Prior to Obamacare, my premiums and copays increased by double digit %'s year after year after year. The only times they didn't is when I was a union member and collectively we spoke up and since passage, my premiums increased in single % digits and have stayed flat for the past two years. But then again, I work in a state that embraced romneycare from day one and it's what?, only been a decade? And yes, I get excellent care.

So, what's Trump's solution? Here's a clue, he doesn't have one.
Well, if you look at HealthyIndiana you start to get an idea. Ryan has put forth some ideas too. It's not necessarily trumps job to come up with a solution. Oh for the days when congress was the legislature.

Is your plan on the exchanges?

I've done union employee benefits. You guys were giving up other stuff to maintain those things, it's a choice, which is fine. You made that collectively. Wish we had that for Obamacare.

And not disagreeing with the rhetoric you sited, but it's just that rhetoric. Cut through that. How were the republicans given a chance? Obama and Pelosi rammed a 2,000 page bill through without allowing anyone to read it. Nice revisionist history in your part.
Because during negotiations the repubs failed to offer alternatives, support or anything that would result in a final product or victory for Obama. Even after he agreed to address their concerns. They failed. Because all they were concerned about was seeing him fail.

Why is it that all of our allies have universal health care? Is it really that bad of a concept? It is the 21st century afterall.
We do have universal health care. I guess it's how you define that. When other countries have our diversity, they can start comparing problems. Did you know there's a small area in Queens NY that has more ethnicities than anywhere in the world? Does Canada have as many ethnicities as Queens NY in its entire country?
It doesn't matter what ethnicity you are, you still deserve health care. That's a ridiculous non sequitur.

And the US has universal health care? By what measure?
I think you missed the point. It wasn't about the ethnicities but the diversity. Sure, I could have picked a better word.

But, feel free to interpret however you want. The point is, we have far more diversity and all that means both in terms of socioeconomic status, health issues, genetics and everything else that goes into both healthcare considerations and financing. So, I do apologize if my choice of words threw you off.

American diversity would inhibit a single-payer system? Sorry, but this seems like a huge reach.

Go Beavers · February 2017

The healthcare debate brings up interesting aspects of our American culture. As a result of our economic system, there's an significant element of struggle and desparation for a lot of people, and the threat of desparation for just about everyone. Our culture has taken this struggle and reframed it into a cultural value: work hard and you'll be rewarded, the individual is greater than the collective. Insurance became a money making business as an extension of this when it became an employer benefit. Get a good job and you can have good insurance. If you can't do that, then the individual is flawed someway. Adopting a what about the freeloader argument essentially perpetuates these negatives. The concept of insurance is in itself socialist in nature. People may draw out of the bucket more than they put in, and others will put in more than they take out. Unless you're the highest earner, we all freeload to some degree at some point in our life.

Healthcare is something we all use and access. Eventually we'll have to use our common sense, along with a cultural shift, to decide health insurance is 'right'. We have plenty of other countries as our test kitchen.

HughFreakingDillon · February 2017

Godfather. said:
what ever happened to earning what you have ? this country has been carrying freeloaders for waaayyyy to long now, watch them scatter like rats when it's time to support themselves.
just in case....I'm not talking about disabled people, although there are many who play the system as disabled.

as benjs stated very well, you simply cannot tell someone they shouldn't get the same access to health care because of their social or economic status.

are there "freeloaders"? yes, and that won't change. people in Canada who don't work/refuse to work and milk the system have a right to be healthy and get the same treatment at the hospital as I do. It's just a question of attitude in Canada vs the US. it's not even brought up, "that guy shouldn't get an operation on his leg-he doesn't even work!". never heard anything like that said in my entire life. and I know a lot of people who dislike "freeloaders".

should the 10 year old girl with cancer be denied treatment because her father is "a freeloader"? or would you consider that incredibly selfish and cruel?

HughFreakingDillon · February 2017

Godfather. said:
what ever happened to earning what you have ? this country has been carrying freeloaders for waaayyyy to long now, watch them scatter like rats when it's time to support themselves.
just in case....I'm not talking about disabled people, although there are many who play the system as disabled.

and "earning what you have" only makes sense/is fair if we all started at zero. we don't. inequality starts at conception.

HughFreakingDillon · February 2017

EdsonNascimento said:

oftenreading said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:
It's a mess because republicans have sabotaged it. From day one. They even opposed pieces that they previously supported. All to "see this president fail." And they still don't have a solution other than, "let the market decide." Which isn't a solution.
How,did they sabotage it? By not writing a blank check? Good for them.
Republicans in congress, rather than work with Obama, fought it tooth and nail, the idea of universal care. Rather than be part of the process, they screamed death panels and opposed compromise they previously supported. Then republican states barred the expansion of Medicare as an alternative option. And still they have no plan. None.

Prior to Obamacare, my premiums and copays increased by double digit %'s year after year after year. The only times they didn't is when I was a union member and collectively we spoke up and since passage, my premiums increased in single % digits and have stayed flat for the past two years. But then again, I work in a state that embraced romneycare from day one and it's what?, only been a decade? And yes, I get excellent care.

So, what's Trump's solution? Here's a clue, he doesn't have one.
Well, if you look at HealthyIndiana you start to get an idea. Ryan has put forth some ideas too. It's not necessarily trumps job to come up with a solution. Oh for the days when congress was the legislature.

Is your plan on the exchanges?

I've done union employee benefits. You guys were giving up other stuff to maintain those things, it's a choice, which is fine. You made that collectively. Wish we had that for Obamacare.

And not disagreeing with the rhetoric you sited, but it's just that rhetoric. Cut through that. How were the republicans given a chance? Obama and Pelosi rammed a 2,000 page bill through without allowing anyone to read it. Nice revisionist history in your part.
Because during negotiations the repubs failed to offer alternatives, support or anything that would result in a final product or victory for Obama. Even after he agreed to address their concerns. They failed. Because all they were concerned about was seeing him fail.

Why is it that all of our allies have universal health care? Is it really that bad of a concept? It is the 21st century afterall.
We do have universal health care. I guess it's how you define that. When other countries have our diversity, they can start comparing problems. Did you know there's a small area in Queens NY that has more ethnicities than anywhere in the world? Does Canada have as many ethnicities as Queens NY in its entire country?
It doesn't matter what ethnicity you are, you still deserve health care. That's a ridiculous non sequitur.

And the US has universal health care? By what measure?
I think you missed the point. It wasn't about the ethnicities but the diversity. Sure, I could have picked a better word.

But, feel free to interpret however you want. The point is, we have far more diversity and all that means both in terms of socioeconomic status, health issues, genetics and everything else that goes into both healthcare considerations and financing. So, I do apologize if my choice of words threw you off.

what does diversity have to do with access to health care?

Godfather. · February 2017

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:
what ever happened to earning what you have ? this country has been carrying freeloaders for waaayyyy to long now, watch them scatter like rats when it's time to support themselves.
just in case....I'm not talking about disabled people, although there are many who play the system as disabled.
and "earning what you have" only makes sense/is fair if we all started at zero. we don't. inequality starts at conception.

some people work hard enough to leave something for their kid's...is that a problem ?

HughFreakingDillon · February 2017

Godfather. said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Godfather. said:
what ever happened to earning what you have ? this country has been carrying freeloaders for waaayyyy to long now, watch them scatter like rats when it's time to support themselves.
just in case....I'm not talking about disabled people, although there are many who play the system as disabled.
and "earning what you have" only makes sense/is fair if we all started at zero. we don't. inequality starts at conception.
some people work hard enough to leave something for their kid's...is that a problem ?

ugh. obviously not. not even close.

let's say you were born into a family of poverty, STILL A US CITIZEN, and no matter how hard you worked, how hard you sacrificed, how many jobs you had to maintain so your kids could merely eat......you think you deserve LESS healthcare than someone who was born into a middle class family who wants for nothing?

EdsonNascimento · February 2017

Go Beavers said:

EdsonNascimento said:

oftenreading said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:
It's a mess because republicans have sabotaged it. From day one. They even opposed pieces that they previously supported. All to "see this president fail." And they still don't have a solution other than, "let the market decide." Which isn't a solution.
How,did they sabotage it? By not writing a blank check? Good for them.
Republicans in congress, rather than work with Obama, fought it tooth and nail, the idea of universal care. Rather than be part of the process, they screamed death panels and opposed compromise they previously supported. Then republican states barred the expansion of Medicare as an alternative option. And still they have no plan. None.

Prior to Obamacare, my premiums and copays increased by double digit %'s year after year after year. The only times they didn't is when I was a union member and collectively we spoke up and since passage, my premiums increased in single % digits and have stayed flat for the past two years. But then again, I work in a state that embraced romneycare from day one and it's what?, only been a decade? And yes, I get excellent care.

So, what's Trump's solution? Here's a clue, he doesn't have one.
Well, if you look at HealthyIndiana you start to get an idea. Ryan has put forth some ideas too. It's not necessarily trumps job to come up with a solution. Oh for the days when congress was the legislature.

Is your plan on the exchanges?

I've done union employee benefits. You guys were giving up other stuff to maintain those things, it's a choice, which is fine. You made that collectively. Wish we had that for Obamacare.

And not disagreeing with the rhetoric you sited, but it's just that rhetoric. Cut through that. How were the republicans given a chance? Obama and Pelosi rammed a 2,000 page bill through without allowing anyone to read it. Nice revisionist history in your part.
Because during negotiations the repubs failed to offer alternatives, support or anything that would result in a final product or victory for Obama. Even after he agreed to address their concerns. They failed. Because all they were concerned about was seeing him fail.

Why is it that all of our allies have universal health care? Is it really that bad of a concept? It is the 21st century afterall.
We do have universal health care. I guess it's how you define that. When other countries have our diversity, they can start comparing problems. Did you know there's a small area in Queens NY that has more ethnicities than anywhere in the world? Does Canada have as many ethnicities as Queens NY in its entire country?
It doesn't matter what ethnicity you are, you still deserve health care. That's a ridiculous non sequitur.

And the US has universal health care? By what measure?
I think you missed the point. It wasn't about the ethnicities but the diversity. Sure, I could have picked a better word.

But, feel free to interpret however you want. The point is, we have far more diversity and all that means both in terms of socioeconomic status, health issues, genetics and everything else that goes into both healthcare considerations and financing. So, I do apologize if my choice of words threw you off.

American diversity would inhibit a single-payer system? Sorry, but this seems like a huge reach.

Who said that? I was making a general statement at first then applied it to healthcare.

But, back to the main point - how does single payer solve the problem? Why would we eliminate a viable, willing participant in funding the system? It baffles me that you want total control in the gov't. Not to get Trump involved, but I'm guessing you are on the other threads saying how he is becoming all powerful. Well, why is that even plausible? Because we've created a system where the great over controlling gov't takes care of everything.

I prefer to focus on creating conditions that can help bend the cost curve THEN apply financing to that. Rather than giving money away, and figuring out the rest later which is the current Obamacare condition.

EdsonNascimento · February 2017

HughFreakingDillon said:

EdsonNascimento said:

oftenreading said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Halifax2TheMax said:
It's a mess because republicans have sabotaged it. From day one. They even opposed pieces that they previously supported. All to "see this president fail." And they still don't have a solution other than, "let the market decide." Which isn't a solution.
How,did they sabotage it? By not writing a blank check? Good for them.
Republicans in congress, rather than work with Obama, fought it tooth and nail, the idea of universal care. Rather than be part of the process, they screamed death panels and opposed compromise they previously supported. Then republican states barred the expansion of Medicare as an alternative option. And still they have no plan. None.

Prior to Obamacare, my premiums and copays increased by double digit %'s year after year after year. The only times they didn't is when I was a union member and collectively we spoke up and since passage, my premiums increased in single % digits and have stayed flat for the past two years. But then again, I work in a state that embraced romneycare from day one and it's what?, only been a decade? And yes, I get excellent care.

So, what's Trump's solution? Here's a clue, he doesn't have one.
Well, if you look at HealthyIndiana you start to get an idea. Ryan has put forth some ideas too. It's not necessarily trumps job to come up with a solution. Oh for the days when congress was the legislature.

Is your plan on the exchanges?

I've done union employee benefits. You guys were giving up other stuff to maintain those things, it's a choice, which is fine. You made that collectively. Wish we had that for Obamacare.

And not disagreeing with the rhetoric you sited, but it's just that rhetoric. Cut through that. How were the republicans given a chance? Obama and Pelosi rammed a 2,000 page bill through without allowing anyone to read it. Nice revisionist history in your part.
Because during negotiations the repubs failed to offer alternatives, support or anything that would result in a final product or victory for Obama. Even after he agreed to address their concerns. They failed. Because all they were concerned about was seeing him fail.

Why is it that all of our allies have universal health care? Is it really that bad of a concept? It is the 21st century afterall.
We do have universal health care. I guess it's how you define that. When other countries have our diversity, they can start comparing problems. Did you know there's a small area in Queens NY that has more ethnicities than anywhere in the world? Does Canada have as many ethnicities as Queens NY in its entire country?
It doesn't matter what ethnicity you are, you still deserve health care. That's a ridiculous non sequitur.

And the US has universal health care? By what measure?
I think you missed the point. It wasn't about the ethnicities but the diversity. Sure, I could have picked a better word.

But, feel free to interpret however you want. The point is, we have far more diversity and all that means both in terms of socioeconomic status, health issues, genetics and everything else that goes into both healthcare considerations and financing. So, I do apologize if my choice of words threw you off.

what does diversity have to do with access to health care?

I got sidetracked trying to address another point. Where it does impact is in general when the US tries to solve its problems there are many more layers to the issues than any other country in the world encounters.

In terms of accessing health care - it can. You walk through Brooklyn and one square block accesses healthcare different than the next block. Hasidic Jews access it differently than the Chinese who access it differently than Hispanic who access it differently than Muslims. These are obviously general statements, but hopefully, we'll stay away from sensationalizing the point and admit that different ethnicities act very differently because of hereditary mores' (mor-ays). The way of family models, diet, care, etc. They are all good. They are all valid. But, the way they access care is very different.

Obamacare is a mess

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