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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487#1. Could have fooled me. This place has been silent to the abusive policies of the Obama administration. I have been saying for some time that the two sides are not Dem and GOP but instead authoritarians and libertarians. libertarians (small l intentional) is more than a party.
#2. Walking into a wolves den where everyone is against one is not being owned. I could leave and then everyone can stand around agreeing on everything and never gain other perspectives. But what fun would that be.
3. Not this time. I considered a write in but in the end my State was a lost cause so there was no point. My time has been better spent on working towards moving to another State.
4. Of course I do, I do so because I don't want to be kidnapped and thrown in a cage, or worse killed.0 -
Of course it's our fault, especially the Democrats. There still crying over there in the dem party thread claiming it's never been their fault! It's everyone else's fault! Wah!
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Talk about status quo, their inherent fear of change and actually trying to do things differently and better, keeps us with Trump. Wonderful.0
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you didn't even vote in your local elections? didn't want to vote 3rd party? Gary Johnson?unsung said:#1. Could have fooled me. This place has been silent to the abusive policies of the Obama administration. I have been saying for some time that the two sides are not Dem and GOP but instead authoritarians and libertarians. libertarians (small l intentional) is more than a party.
#2. Walking into a wolves den where everyone is against one is not being owned. I could leave and then everyone can stand around agreeing on everything and never gain other perspectives. But what fun would that be.
3. Not this time. I considered a write in but in the end my State was a lost cause so there was no point. My time has been better spent on working towards moving to another State.
4. Of course I do, I do so because I don't want to be kidnapped and thrown in a cage, or worse killed.
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You have conceded that it would be impossible in today's society to move to an ungoverned one, attributing that impossibility to leftists. How do you eliminate that barrier to pursue your goal? Kill them?unsung said:#1. Could have fooled me. This place has been silent to the abusive policies of the Obama administration. I have been saying for some time that the two sides are not Dem and GOP but instead authoritarians and libertarians. libertarians (small l intentional) is more than a party.
#2. Walking into a wolves den where everyone is against one is not being owned. I could leave and then everyone can stand around agreeing on everything and never gain other perspectives. But what fun would that be.
3. Not this time. I considered a write in but in the end my State was a lost cause so there was no point. My time has been better spent on working towards moving to another State.
4. Of course I do, I do so because I don't want to be kidnapped and thrown in a cage, or worse killed.
You also allude to the notion that government is the source of corruption and failure to make progress. Why do you feel that this is the case - could inherent human traits not be responsible?
People don't abandon a system used for hundreds of years when it isn't working, only to jump into the abyss. If you feel that an ungoverned society would be better than a governed one, you owe it to your cause to identify the flaws of a governed society and more importantly, to explain why an ungoverned society wouldn't exhibit the same flaws.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Yeah go ahead try not having any law in boroughs like Bronx NY , No government would not work good for innermost city's !jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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It was a broad term...I'm still trying to figure out why you even chose to pull that out of my comment...trolling I guess??? Deplorable...mickeyrat said:
some peoples kids? I figure there's many ways to define that, I want YOUR definition. gonna take wild stab and say google doesnt know that tidbit.PJPOWER said:
Google that yourself genius...wow, some people's kids...mickeyrat said:
US Interests. Define that.PJPOWER said:
I'm sorry, but this seems like fantasy land. I do not foresee the US getting into a military involved civil war. I could picture another nation attempting an attack on US interests overseas or on the mainland, but as far as American citizens picking up arms and attacking each other on a mass scale...we are a long way from that and it would be a fairly one sided victory if it were between polarized liberals and conservatives. The Vietnam War created some mass retaliation and unrest...but a civil war? I just cannot imagine a scenario where either side of the equation would get enough support for anything effective that would not get shut down fairly quickly. Not to mention that the current military climate seems to be backing Trump, not opposing.PJ_Soul said:
There are all kinds of possible scenarios, and one option could be determined by lines drawn on a map I suppose - could end up being south/mid vs north/west/east, who knows?? That would depend on the State politicians I guess. But I'm more picturing something like a military coup led by dissenting federal and state politicians...... are there enough politicians and military leaders in America who care enough about the US not becoming a fascist dictatorship, and who care little enough about their own cushy, relatively stable stations in life for such a thing to happen? I don't know. Far crazier shit has happened. If Trump and Bannon keep going the way they are and actually play out what they have apparently been fantasizing about for years now that they are in a position to actually go for it, I think this kind of thing might be inevitable. Are Trump and Bannon and friends crazy enough to do it? Hell yes. Let's just see if they have the will and energy.HughFreakingDillon said:
not sure how civil war would occur in 2017 United States. it's not a clear "this area" vs "that area" anymore. just everyone attack washington? LOLPJ_Soul said:0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
Gary Johnson is a joke. No, I didn't vote.my2hands said:
you didn't even vote in your local elections? didn't want to vote 3rd party? Gary Johnson?unsung said:#1. Could have fooled me. This place has been silent to the abusive policies of the Obama administration. I have been saying for some time that the two sides are not Dem and GOP but instead authoritarians and libertarians. libertarians (small l intentional) is more than a party.
#2. Walking into a wolves den where everyone is against one is not being owned. I could leave and then everyone can stand around agreeing on everything and never gain other perspectives. But what fun would that be.
3. Not this time. I considered a write in but in the end my State was a lost cause so there was no point. My time has been better spent on working towards moving to another State.
4. Of course I do, I do so because I don't want to be kidnapped and thrown in a cage, or worse killed.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
Rome wasn't built in a day. Baby steps. Let's just start following the Constitution and limiting the general government to the powers authorized to it.benjs said:
You have conceded that it would be impossible in today's society to move to an ungoverned one, attributing that impossibility to leftists. How do you eliminate that barrier to pursue your goal? Kill them?unsung said:#1. Could have fooled me. This place has been silent to the abusive policies of the Obama administration. I have been saying for some time that the two sides are not Dem and GOP but instead authoritarians and libertarians. libertarians (small l intentional) is more than a party.
#2. Walking into a wolves den where everyone is against one is not being owned. I could leave and then everyone can stand around agreeing on everything and never gain other perspectives. But what fun would that be.
3. Not this time. I considered a write in but in the end my State was a lost cause so there was no point. My time has been better spent on working towards moving to another State.
4. Of course I do, I do so because I don't want to be kidnapped and thrown in a cage, or worse killed.
You also allude to the notion that government is the source of corruption and failure to make progress. Why do you feel that this is the case - could inherent human traits not be responsible?
People don't abandon a system used for hundreds of years when it isn't working, only to jump into the abyss. If you feel that an ungoverned society would be better than a governed one, you owe it to your cause to identify the flaws of a governed society and more importantly, to explain why an ungoverned society wouldn't exhibit the same flaws.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
I can't keep track of some things, are you being serious?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
You never own your property if you pay property tax.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
Please, tell me what option I had.HughFreakingDillon said:
actually, it's YOURS. you, and the rest of the tens of millions that decide they don't want to vote. think they are above the process, then do nothing but complain about it.unsung said:Don't like how things are going even though your side authorized these programs?
Don't like that the new President is signing a lot of executive orders?
Sick of big government yet? You got what you wanted.
You finally care about the Constitution I see.
Go ahead, mock my overlord comment, it will remind you that you asked for it.
all you have been blathering on about for years is how you wish the establishment to be destroyed. now, you see you may have got what you wished for, and you are shitting your pants. you weren't prepared for it. you didn't think it would actually happen. all this time, you thought you were smarter than everyone else. but now, everything is happening, and you can't handle it.
and someone, it's everyone else's fault.0 -
so you didn't even vote in your local elections, but want to blame everyone else that actually participates in the democratic process?unsung said:
Gary Johnson is a joke. No, I didn't vote.my2hands said:
you didn't even vote in your local elections? didn't want to vote 3rd party? Gary Johnson?unsung said:#1. Could have fooled me. This place has been silent to the abusive policies of the Obama administration. I have been saying for some time that the two sides are not Dem and GOP but instead authoritarians and libertarians. libertarians (small l intentional) is more than a party.
#2. Walking into a wolves den where everyone is against one is not being owned. I could leave and then everyone can stand around agreeing on everything and never gain other perspectives. But what fun would that be.
3. Not this time. I considered a write in but in the end my State was a lost cause so there was no point. My time has been better spent on working towards moving to another State.
4. Of course I do, I do so because I don't want to be kidnapped and thrown in a cage, or worse killed.
got it. I think i'm done here
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unsung said:
Cool story bro. Good luck with the continued tennis match.CM189191 said:
You're a libertarian, no one caresunsung said:
How would you know? You ever ask me what I believe about social issues?InHiding80 said:For a so called libertarian you're far from socially liberal. Tsk tsk.
And I voted Bernie and Jill respectively so don't blame me for oligarchy bullshit.
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go outside and make a difference instead of sitting in your message board tower telling everyone to get outside and make a difference.unsung said:
Please, tell me what option I had.HughFreakingDillon said:
actually, it's YOURS. you, and the rest of the tens of millions that decide they don't want to vote. think they are above the process, then do nothing but complain about it.unsung said:Don't like how things are going even though your side authorized these programs?
Don't like that the new President is signing a lot of executive orders?
Sick of big government yet? You got what you wanted.
You finally care about the Constitution I see.
Go ahead, mock my overlord comment, it will remind you that you asked for it.
all you have been blathering on about for years is how you wish the establishment to be destroyed. now, you see you may have got what you wished for, and you are shitting your pants. you weren't prepared for it. you didn't think it would actually happen. all this time, you thought you were smarter than everyone else. but now, everything is happening, and you can't handle it.
and someone, it's everyone else's fault.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
maybe it's your job to clarify your own post, not someone else's?PJPOWER said:
Google that yourself genius...wow, some people's kids...mickeyrat said:
US Interests. Define that.PJPOWER said:
I'm sorry, but this seems like fantasy land. I do not foresee the US getting into a military involved civil war. I could picture another nation attempting an attack on US interests overseas or on the mainland, but as far as American citizens picking up arms and attacking each other on a mass scale...we are a long way from that and it would be a fairly one sided victory if it were between polarized liberals and conservatives. The Vietnam War created some mass retaliation and unrest...but a civil war? I just cannot imagine a scenario where either side of the equation would get enough support for anything effective that would not get shut down fairly quickly. Not to mention that the current military climate seems to be backing Trump, not opposing.PJ_Soul said:
There are all kinds of possible scenarios, and one option could be determined by lines drawn on a map I suppose - could end up being south/mid vs north/west/east, who knows?? That would depend on the State politicians I guess. But I'm more picturing something like a military coup led by dissenting federal and state politicians...... are there enough politicians and military leaders in America who care enough about the US not becoming a fascist dictatorship, and who care little enough about their own cushy, relatively stable stations in life for such a thing to happen? I don't know. Far crazier shit has happened. If Trump and Bannon keep going the way they are and actually play out what they have apparently been fantasizing about for years now that they are in a position to actually go for it, I think this kind of thing might be inevitable. Are Trump and Bannon and friends crazy enough to do it? Hell yes. Let's just see if they have the will and energy.HughFreakingDillon said:
not sure how civil war would occur in 2017 United States. it's not a clear "this area" vs "that area" anymore. just everyone attack washington? LOLPJ_Soul said:By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
not sure why this has become some sort of pissing contest.unsung said:
LOL, not a Libertarian but you couldn't own me on your best day.my2hands said:seems like the holier than thou libertarian got owned in this thread lol
Your entire side and argument is filled with hypocrisy and virtue signaling. You complain about a temporary visa hold but don't say anything about your President Obama dropping 30000 bombs on these refugee's countries in 2016 alone.
You lost and you don't know how to deal with it.
you aren't the only one who disagrees with obama's/democratic policies. far from it. this place would die out if that were true. if you left, someone else would take your place. don't overinflate your importance here.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
It wasn't even a key point if my post, seriously. I guess I should extensively define every word in a post. Here goes...HughFreakingDillon said:
maybe it's your job to clarify your own post, not someone else's?PJPOWER said:
Google that yourself genius...wow, some people's kids...mickeyrat said:
US Interests. Define that.PJPOWER said:
I'm sorry, but this seems like fantasy land. I do not foresee the US getting into a military involved civil war. I could picture another nation attempting an attack on US interests overseas or on the mainland, but as far as American citizens picking up arms and attacking each other on a mass scale...we are a long way from that and it would be a fairly one sided victory if it were between polarized liberals and conservatives. The Vietnam War created some mass retaliation and unrest...but a civil war? I just cannot imagine a scenario where either side of the equation would get enough support for anything effective that would not get shut down fairly quickly. Not to mention that the current military climate seems to be backing Trump, not opposing.PJ_Soul said:
There are all kinds of possible scenarios, and one option could be determined by lines drawn on a map I suppose - could end up being south/mid vs north/west/east, who knows?? That would depend on the State politicians I guess. But I'm more picturing something like a military coup led by dissenting federal and state politicians...... are there enough politicians and military leaders in America who care enough about the US not becoming a fascist dictatorship, and who care little enough about their own cushy, relatively stable stations in life for such a thing to happen? I don't know. Far crazier shit has happened. If Trump and Bannon keep going the way they are and actually play out what they have apparently been fantasizing about for years now that they are in a position to actually go for it, I think this kind of thing might be inevitable. Are Trump and Bannon and friends crazy enough to do it? Hell yes. Let's just see if they have the will and energy.HughFreakingDillon said:
not sure how civil war would occur in 2017 United States. it's not a clear "this area" vs "that area" anymore. just everyone attack washington? LOLPJ_Soul said:
It- http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/pronouns/it
Was- http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/past/past-continuous-i-was-working
Not- http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/questions-and-negative-sentences/not
You get the idea...but here's some random link pulled out of a random google search about foreign interests since it's such a talking point...
US interests- http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/globalconnections/mideast/questions/uspolicy/
But to me foreign interests would be any assets, businesses, financial institutions, people, allies, etc etc etc in other countries that effect the US economy, military, etc etc etc etc etc...blah blah blah blah Again, was not really a highlight of my comment.Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
but why the need to be so defensive when asked a simple question to expand on one of your ideas? I find that odd.PJPOWER said:
It wasn't even a key point if my post, seriously. I guess I should extensively define every word in a post. Here goes...HughFreakingDillon said:
maybe it's your job to clarify your own post, not someone else's?PJPOWER said:
Google that yourself genius...wow, some people's kids...mickeyrat said:
US Interests. Define that.PJPOWER said:
I'm sorry, but this seems like fantasy land. I do not foresee the US getting into a military involved civil war. I could picture another nation attempting an attack on US interests overseas or on the mainland, but as far as American citizens picking up arms and attacking each other on a mass scale...we are a long way from that and it would be a fairly one sided victory if it were between polarized liberals and conservatives. The Vietnam War created some mass retaliation and unrest...but a civil war? I just cannot imagine a scenario where either side of the equation would get enough support for anything effective that would not get shut down fairly quickly. Not to mention that the current military climate seems to be backing Trump, not opposing.PJ_Soul said:
There are all kinds of possible scenarios, and one option could be determined by lines drawn on a map I suppose - could end up being south/mid vs north/west/east, who knows?? That would depend on the State politicians I guess. But I'm more picturing something like a military coup led by dissenting federal and state politicians...... are there enough politicians and military leaders in America who care enough about the US not becoming a fascist dictatorship, and who care little enough about their own cushy, relatively stable stations in life for such a thing to happen? I don't know. Far crazier shit has happened. If Trump and Bannon keep going the way they are and actually play out what they have apparently been fantasizing about for years now that they are in a position to actually go for it, I think this kind of thing might be inevitable. Are Trump and Bannon and friends crazy enough to do it? Hell yes. Let's just see if they have the will and energy.HughFreakingDillon said:
not sure how civil war would occur in 2017 United States. it's not a clear "this area" vs "that area" anymore. just everyone attack washington? LOLPJ_Soul said:
It- http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/pronouns/it
Was- http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/past/past-continuous-i-was-working
Not- http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/questions-and-negative-sentences/not
You get the idea...but here's some random link pulled out of a random google search about foreign interests since it's such a talking point...
US interests- http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/globalconnections/mideast/questions/uspolicy/
But to me foreign interests would be any assets, businesses, financial institutions, people, allies, etc etc etc in other countries that effect the US economy, military, etc etc etc etc etc...blah blah blah blah Again, was not really a highlight of my comment.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
You never started.my2hands said:
so you didn't even vote in your local elections, but want to blame everyone else that actually participates in the democratic process?unsung said:
Gary Johnson is a joke. No, I didn't vote.my2hands said:
you didn't even vote in your local elections? didn't want to vote 3rd party? Gary Johnson?unsung said:#1. Could have fooled me. This place has been silent to the abusive policies of the Obama administration. I have been saying for some time that the two sides are not Dem and GOP but instead authoritarians and libertarians. libertarians (small l intentional) is more than a party.
#2. Walking into a wolves den where everyone is against one is not being owned. I could leave and then everyone can stand around agreeing on everything and never gain other perspectives. But what fun would that be.
3. Not this time. I considered a write in but in the end my State was a lost cause so there was no point. My time has been better spent on working towards moving to another State.
4. Of course I do, I do so because I don't want to be kidnapped and thrown in a cage, or worse killed.
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
Thanks for the advice. Two weeks ago I flew to Washington State and met with a State Rep for an hour to discuss some things. I'll try to step up.HughFreakingDillon said:
go outside and make a difference instead of sitting in your message board tower telling everyone to get outside and make a difference.unsung said:
Please, tell me what option I had.HughFreakingDillon said:
actually, it's YOURS. you, and the rest of the tens of millions that decide they don't want to vote. think they are above the process, then do nothing but complain about it.unsung said:Don't like how things are going even though your side authorized these programs?
Don't like that the new President is signing a lot of executive orders?
Sick of big government yet? You got what you wanted.
You finally care about the Constitution I see.
Go ahead, mock my overlord comment, it will remind you that you asked for it.
all you have been blathering on about for years is how you wish the establishment to be destroyed. now, you see you may have got what you wished for, and you are shitting your pants. you weren't prepared for it. you didn't think it would actually happen. all this time, you thought you were smarter than everyone else. but now, everything is happening, and you can't handle it.
and someone, it's everyone else's fault.0
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