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So you mean illegals. Why do you think people suddenly feel it's so important now, that it should be central to a president's policies?unsung said:11-20 million people. It has been going on for a long time.
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I think it has been important to people, it is just finally someone is doing something about it.Go Beavers said:
So you mean illegals. Why do you think people suddenly feel it's so important now, that it should be central to a president's policies?unsung said:11-20 million people. It has been going on for a long time.
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HAHA, yeah, people said some of the shit Trump is now actually doing sounded like fantasy land too. I'm sure lots of people thought such things sounded ridiculous where they live too... until it happened. Interesting how "it could never happen to us" some Americans are. I'm not saying it WILL happen, but it's hardly fantasy land. Look around the world man. Stuff like this is reality.PJPOWER said:
I'm sorry, but this seems like fantasy land. I do not foresee the US getting into a military involved civil war. I could picture another nation attempting an attack on US interests overseas or on the mainland, but as far as American citizens picking up arms and attacking each other on a mass scale...we are a long way from that and it would be a fairly one sided victory if it were between polarized liberals and conservatives. The Vietnam War created some mass retaliation and unrest...but a civil war? I just cannot imagine a scenario where either side of the equation would get enough support for anything effective that would not get shut down fairly quickly. Not to mention that the current military climate seems to be backing Trump, not opposing.PJ_Soul said:
There are all kinds of possible scenarios, and one option could be determined by lines drawn on a map I suppose - could end up being south/mid vs north/west/east, who knows?? That would depend on the State politicians I guess. But I'm more picturing something like a military coup led by dissenting federal and state politicians...... are there enough politicians and military leaders in America who care enough about the US not becoming a fascist dictatorship, and who care little enough about their own cushy, relatively stable stations in life for such a thing to happen? I don't know. Far crazier shit has happened. If Trump and Bannon keep going the way they are and actually play out what they have apparently been fantasizing about for years now that they are in a position to actually go for it, I think this kind of thing might be inevitable. Are Trump and Bannon and friends crazy enough to do it? Hell yes. Let's just see if they have the will and energy.HughFreakingDillon said:
not sure how civil war would occur in 2017 United States. it's not a clear "this area" vs "that area" anymore. just everyone attack washington? LOLPJ_Soul said:
Now that Trump is replacing actual military personnel with media moguls, the military may not be on his side for long, lol.
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The question's been asked over time, and it hasn't been important. My answer is that the right needs a villain every election, so immigrants and Muslims were the bad guys who are destroying our country for this election cycle.unsung said:
I think it has been important to people, it is just finally someone is doing something about it.Go Beavers said:
So you mean illegals. Why do you think people suddenly feel it's so important now, that it should be central to a president's policies?unsung said:11-20 million people. It has been going on for a long time.
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it's only important because of the state of the economy and the fear tactics of the right. "blame the brown people!"unsung said:
I think it has been important to people, it is just finally someone is doing something about it.Go Beavers said:
So you mean illegals. Why do you think people suddenly feel it's so important now, that it should be central to a president's policies?unsung said:11-20 million people. It has been going on for a long time.
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The previous two presidents have done more to stem immigration, legal and otherwise, than ever before. One by tanking the economy and the other with record deportations and 18 to 24 month screening processes. But for you, nothing has been done. How does your limited, small government handle the issue? Land owners on the border taking matters into their own hands? Locally formed militias doing it for free? You really are a contradiction of hypocrisies.unsung said:
I think it has been important to people, it is just finally someone is doing something about it.Go Beavers said:
So you mean illegals. Why do you think people suddenly feel it's so important now, that it should be central to a president's policies?unsung said:11-20 million people. It has been going on for a long time.
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That is bs.Halifax2TheMax said:
The previous two presidents have done more to stem immigration, legal and otherwise, than ever before. One by tanking the economy and the other with record deportations and 18 to 24 month screening processes. But for you, nothing has been done. How does your limited, small government handle the issue? Land owners on the border taking matters into their own hands? Locally formed militias doing it for free? You really are a contradiction of hypocrisies.unsung said:
I think it has been important to people, it is just finally someone is doing something about it.Go Beavers said:
So you mean illegals. Why do you think people suddenly feel it's so important now, that it should be central to a president's policies?unsung said:11-20 million people. It has been going on for a long time.
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How so?unsung said:
That is bs.Halifax2TheMax said:
The previous two presidents have done more to stem immigration, legal and otherwise, than ever before. One by tanking the economy and the other with record deportations and 18 to 24 month screening processes. But for you, nothing has been done. How does your limited, small government handle the issue? Land owners on the border taking matters into their own hands? Locally formed militias doing it for free? You really are a contradiction of hypocrisies.unsung said:
I think it has been important to people, it is just finally someone is doing something about it.Go Beavers said:
So you mean illegals. Why do you think people suddenly feel it's so important now, that it should be central to a president's policies?unsung said:11-20 million people. It has been going on for a long time.
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You're a libertarian, no one caresunsung said:
How would you know? You ever ask me what I believe about social issues?InHiding80 said:For a so called libertarian you're far from socially liberal. Tsk tsk.
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US Interests. Define that.PJPOWER said:
I'm sorry, but this seems like fantasy land. I do not foresee the US getting into a military involved civil war. I could picture another nation attempting an attack on US interests overseas or on the mainland, but as far as American citizens picking up arms and attacking each other on a mass scale...we are a long way from that and it would be a fairly one sided victory if it were between polarized liberals and conservatives. The Vietnam War created some mass retaliation and unrest...but a civil war? I just cannot imagine a scenario where either side of the equation would get enough support for anything effective that would not get shut down fairly quickly. Not to mention that the current military climate seems to be backing Trump, not opposing.PJ_Soul said:
There are all kinds of possible scenarios, and one option could be determined by lines drawn on a map I suppose - could end up being south/mid vs north/west/east, who knows?? That would depend on the State politicians I guess. But I'm more picturing something like a military coup led by dissenting federal and state politicians...... are there enough politicians and military leaders in America who care enough about the US not becoming a fascist dictatorship, and who care little enough about their own cushy, relatively stable stations in life for such a thing to happen? I don't know. Far crazier shit has happened. If Trump and Bannon keep going the way they are and actually play out what they have apparently been fantasizing about for years now that they are in a position to actually go for it, I think this kind of thing might be inevitable. Are Trump and Bannon and friends crazy enough to do it? Hell yes. Let's just see if they have the will and energy.HughFreakingDillon said:
not sure how civil war would occur in 2017 United States. it's not a clear "this area" vs "that area" anymore. just everyone attack washington? LOLPJ_Soul said:_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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You can't deport a fraction of what was let in and call it a success and you can't really make a comparison with their predecessors because it wasn't the problem then that it is numbers wise. Neither one of them did anything to stem the flow, they didn't remove incentives and in fact during the Obama Administration they advertised, in Mexico, things like SNAP cards.Halifax2TheMax said:
How so?unsung said:
That is bs.Halifax2TheMax said:
The previous two presidents have done more to stem immigration, legal and otherwise, than ever before. One by tanking the economy and the other with record deportations and 18 to 24 month screening processes. But for you, nothing has been done. How does your limited, small government handle the issue? Land owners on the border taking matters into their own hands? Locally formed militias doing it for free? You really are a contradiction of hypocrisies.unsung said:
I think it has been important to people, it is just finally someone is doing something about it.Go Beavers said:
So you mean illegals. Why do you think people suddenly feel it's so important now, that it should be central to a president's policies?unsung said:11-20 million people. It has been going on for a long time.
Landowners on the borders don't have private property rights in your world? Trespassing is ok?
One of the few things the federal government is supposed to do is protect the nation, allowing people to come in without a strict vetting process fails all of us. In turn the only ones facing the strict scrutiny are the ones that observe the law and come here legally, not really fair to them when others can just walk across without delay.0 -
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Cool story bro. Good luck with the continued tennis match.CM189191 said:
You're a libertarian, no one caresunsung said:
How would you know? You ever ask me what I believe about social issues?InHiding80 said:For a so called libertarian you're far from socially liberal. Tsk tsk.
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actually, it's YOURS. you, and the rest of the tens of millions that decide they don't want to vote. think they are above the process, then do nothing but complain about it.unsung said:Don't like how things are going even though your side authorized these programs?
Don't like that the new President is signing a lot of executive orders?
Sick of big government yet? You got what you wanted.
You finally care about the Constitution I see.
Go ahead, mock my overlord comment, it will remind you that you asked for it.
all you have been blathering on about for years is how you wish the establishment to be destroyed. now, you see you may have got what you wished for, and you are shitting your pants. you weren't prepared for it. you didn't think it would actually happen. all this time, you thought you were smarter than everyone else. but now, everything is happening, and you can't handle it.
and someone, it's everyone else's fault.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487LOL, I don't vote because I refuse to validate this system. Keep kicking the can when nothing changes except the debt ceiling every time Congress plays one party againat the other. I see it this way, two wings, same bird. Not interested. You guys wanted big government, now you get to deal with it.0
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An illegal wouldn't qualify for food stamps unless they stole someones identity. Not saying that doesn't happen, just clarifying because people are very misinformed about illegals receiving publis assistance.unsung said:
You can't deport a fraction of what was let in and call it a success and you can't really make a comparison with their predecessors because it wasn't the problem then that it is numbers wise. Neither one of them did anything to stem the flow, they didn't remove incentives and in fact during the Obama Administration they advertised, in Mexico, things like SNAP cards.Halifax2TheMax said:
How so?unsung said:
That is bs.Halifax2TheMax said:
The previous two presidents have done more to stem immigration, legal and otherwise, than ever before. One by tanking the economy and the other with record deportations and 18 to 24 month screening processes. But for you, nothing has been done. How does your limited, small government handle the issue? Land owners on the border taking matters into their own hands? Locally formed militias doing it for free? You really are a contradiction of hypocrisies.unsung said:
I think it has been important to people, it is just finally someone is doing something about it.Go Beavers said:
So you mean illegals. Why do you think people suddenly feel it's so important now, that it should be central to a president's policies?unsung said:11-20 million people. It has been going on for a long time.
Landowners on the borders don't have private property rights in your world? Trespassing is ok?
One of the few things the federal government is supposed to do is protect the nation, allowing people to come in without a strict vetting process fails all of us. In turn the only ones facing the strict scrutiny are the ones that observe the law and come here legally, not really fair to them when others can just walk across without delay.0 -
then stop bitching about it. simple.unsung said:LOL, I don't vote because I refuse to validate this system. Keep kicking the can when nothing changes except the debt ceiling every time Congress plays one party againat the other. I see it this way, two wings, same bird. Not interested. You guys wanted big government, now you get to deal with it.
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You seem pretty interested to me.unsung said:LOL, I don't vote because I refuse to validate this system. Keep kicking the can when nothing changes except the debt ceiling every time Congress plays one party againat the other. I see it this way, two wings, same bird. Not interested. You guys wanted big government, now you get to deal with it.
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Bingo.HughFreakingDillon said:
then stop bitching about it. simple.unsung said:LOL, I don't vote because I refuse to validate this system. Keep kicking the can when nothing changes except the debt ceiling every time Congress plays one party againat the other. I see it this way, two wings, same bird. Not interested. You guys wanted big government, now you get to deal with it.
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