Without Government...

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

benjs said:

benjs said:

benjs said:

Posting for a third time: unsung, you still haven't addressed my point that over time, all ungoverned societies have organically matured to become governed societies. How do you intend to break this consistent trend? A society of one is a perfect democracy, but a society of greater than one has been exclusively proven to become an imperfect something-ocracy over time.

Welcome back, unsung. I'd still love an answer to the above.

Would still appreciate an answer.

Bottom line in todays environment it cannot be done. I concede that.

Not until leftists are in their own separate area.

Still convinced the leftys are the big government folks, huh?

historically, they are.

I'm interested in your evidence.

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

benjs said:

benjs said:

benjs said:

Posting for a third time: unsung, you still haven't addressed my point that over time, all ungoverned societies have organically matured to become governed societies. How do you intend to break this consistent trend? A society of one is a perfect democracy, but a society of greater than one has been exclusively proven to become an imperfect something-ocracy over time.

Welcome back, unsung. I'd still love an answer to the above.

Would still appreciate an answer.

Bottom line in todays environment it cannot be done. I concede that.

Not until leftists are in their own separate area.

Still convinced the leftys are the big government folks, huh?

historically, they are.

I'm interested in your evidence.

apparently I have none, and was wrong. although, when googling that question, I came across many articles that say the opposite, but none that I found that had empirical evidence.

http://townhall.com/columnists/johncgoodman/2012/09/08/which_party_is_the_party_of_big_government

With that in mind, here is something that may surprise you: Federal entitlement spending over the past 50 years has grown significantly more under Republican presidents than under Democratic presidents.

I'll come back to that below. But, first things first. The reason we have big government is because of the growth of entitlements: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, disability insurance, etc. Entitlements are nothing more than taking from Peter and giving to Paul. They are consuming an ever increasing share of federal spending and they are the principal reason for one of two nightmares in our future: (1) ever-increasing deficits for as far as the eye can see or (2) an ever-increasing tax burden.

From a purely statistical standpoint, the growth of entitlement spending over the past half-century has been distinctly greater under Republican administrations than Democratic ones. Between 1960 and 2010, the growth of entitlement spending was exponential, but in any given year, it was on the whole roughly 8% higher if the president happened to be a Republican rather than a Democrat.

Thanks for being open and looking. I have only done minimal research on this but from what I understand the "left" equals larger government is largely a myth.

HughFreakingDillon said:

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

benjs said:

benjs said:

benjs said:

Posting for a third time: unsung, you still haven't addressed my point that over time, all ungoverned societies have organically matured to become governed societies. How do you intend to break this consistent trend? A society of one is a perfect democracy, but a society of greater than one has been exclusively proven to become an imperfect something-ocracy over time.

Welcome back, unsung. I'd still love an answer to the above.

Would still appreciate an answer.

Bottom line in todays environment it cannot be done. I concede that.

Not until leftists are in their own separate area.

Still convinced the leftys are the big government folks, huh?

historically, they are.

I'm interested in your evidence.

apparently I have none, and was wrong. although, when googling that question, I came across many articles that say the opposite, but none that I found that had empirical evidence.

http://townhall.com/columnists/johncgoodman/2012/09/08/which_party_is_the_party_of_big_government

With that in mind, here is something that may surprise you: Federal entitlement spending over the past 50 years has grown significantly more under Republican presidents than under Democratic presidents.

I'll come back to that below. But, first things first. The reason we have big government is because of the growth of entitlements: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, disability insurance, etc. Entitlements are nothing more than taking from Peter and giving to Paul. They are consuming an ever increasing share of federal spending and they are the principal reason for one of two nightmares in our future: (1) ever-increasing deficits for as far as the eye can see or (2) an ever-increasing tax burden.

From a purely statistical standpoint, the growth of entitlement spending over the past half-century has been distinctly greater under Republican administrations than Democratic ones. Between 1960 and 2010, the growth of entitlement spending was exponential, but in any given year, it was on the whole roughly 8% higher if the president happened to be a Republican rather than a Democrat.

unsung said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

benjs said:

benjs said:

benjs said:

Posting for a third time: unsung, you still haven't addressed my point that over time, all ungoverned societies have organically matured to become governed societies. How do you intend to break this consistent trend? A society of one is a perfect democracy, but a society of greater than one has been exclusively proven to become an imperfect something-ocracy over time.

Welcome back, unsung. I'd still love an answer to the above.

Would still appreciate an answer.

Bottom line in todays environment it cannot be done. I concede that.

Not until leftists are in their own separate area.

Still convinced the leftys are the big government folks, huh?

historically, they are.

I'm interested in your evidence.

apparently I have none, and was wrong. although, when googling that question, I came across many articles that say the opposite, but none that I found that had empirical evidence.

http://townhall.com/columnists/johncgoodman/2012/09/08/which_party_is_the_party_of_big_government

With that in mind, here is something that may surprise you: Federal entitlement spending over the past 50 years has grown significantly more under Republican presidents than under Democratic presidents.

I'll come back to that below. But, first things first. The reason we have big government is because of the growth of entitlements: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, disability insurance, etc. Entitlements are nothing more than taking from Peter and giving to Paul. They are consuming an ever increasing share of federal spending and they are the principal reason for one of two nightmares in our future: (1) ever-increasing deficits for as far as the eye can see or (2) an ever-increasing tax burden.

From a purely statistical standpoint, the growth of entitlement spending over the past half-century has been distinctly greater under Republican administrations than Democratic ones. Between 1960 and 2010, the growth of entitlement spending was exponential, but in any given year, it was on the whole roughly 8% higher if the president happened to be a Republican rather than a Democrat.

Thanks for being open and looking. I have only done minimal research on this but from what I understand the "left" equals larger government is largely a myth.

I also noticed it got larger under Obama, which is what might be on unsung's mind.

Typically, in Canada, one of the biggest things you hear conservatives bitching about is the massive governments of the Democrats, so I assumed (which I shouldn't have) it was also true in the US.

National debt went from $9T to over $20T.

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

benjs said:

benjs said:

benjs said:

Posting for a third time: unsung, you still haven't addressed my point that over time, all ungoverned societies have organically matured to become governed societies. How do you intend to break this consistent trend? A society of one is a perfect democracy, but a society of greater than one has been exclusively proven to become an imperfect something-ocracy over time.

Welcome back, unsung. I'd still love an answer to the above.

Would still appreciate an answer.

Bottom line in todays environment it cannot be done. I concede that.

Not until leftists are in their own separate area.

Still convinced the leftys are the big government folks, huh?

historically, they are.

I'm interested in your evidence.

apparently I have none, and was wrong. although, when googling that question, I came across many articles that say the opposite, but none that I found that had empirical evidence.

http://townhall.com/columnists/johncgoodman/2012/09/08/which_party_is_the_party_of_big_government

With that in mind, here is something that may surprise you: Federal entitlement spending over the past 50 years has grown significantly more under Republican presidents than under Democratic presidents.

I'll come back to that below. But, first things first. The reason we have big government is because of the growth of entitlements: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, disability insurance, etc. Entitlements are nothing more than taking from Peter and giving to Paul. They are consuming an ever increasing share of federal spending and they are the principal reason for one of two nightmares in our future: (1) ever-increasing deficits for as far as the eye can see or (2) an ever-increasing tax burden.

From a purely statistical standpoint, the growth of entitlement spending over the past half-century has been distinctly greater under Republican administrations than Democratic ones. Between 1960 and 2010, the growth of entitlement spending was exponential, but in any given year, it was on the whole roughly 8% higher if the president happened to be a Republican rather than a Democrat.

Thanks for being open and looking. I have only done minimal research on this but from what I understand the "left" equals larger government is largely a myth.

I also noticed it got larger under Obama, which is what might be on unsung's mind.

Typically, in Canada, one of the biggest things you hear conservatives bitching about is the massive governments of the Democrats, so I assumed (which I shouldn't have) it was also true in the US.

National debt went from $9T to over $20T.

Gotta pay the bills the republicans left behind.

LOL

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

benjs said:

benjs said:

benjs said:

Posting for a third time: unsung, you still haven't addressed my point that over time, all ungoverned societies have organically matured to become governed societies. How do you intend to break this consistent trend? A society of one is a perfect democracy, but a society of greater than one has been exclusively proven to become an imperfect something-ocracy over time.

Welcome back, unsung. I'd still love an answer to the above.

Would still appreciate an answer.

Bottom line in todays environment it cannot be done. I concede that.

Not until leftists are in their own separate area.

Still convinced the leftys are the big government folks, huh?

Still con

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

benjs said:

benjs said:

benjs said:

Posting for a third time: unsung, you still haven't addressed my point that over time, all ungoverned societies have organically matured to become governed societies. How do you intend to break this consistent trend? A society of one is a perfect democracy, but a society of greater than one has been exclusively proven to become an imperfect something-ocracy over time.

Welcome back, unsung. I'd still love an answer to the above.

Would still appreciate an answer.

Bottom line in todays environment it cannot be done. I concede that.

Not until leftists are in their own separate area.

Still convinced the leftys are the big government folks, huh?

historically, they are.

I'm interested in your evidence.

apparently I have none, and was wrong. although, when googling that question, I came across many articles that say the opposite, but none that I found that had empirical evidence.

http://townhall.com/columnists/johncgoodman/2012/09/08/which_party_is_the_party_of_big_government

With that in mind, here is something that may surprise you: Federal entitlement spending over the past 50 years has grown significantly more under Republican presidents than under Democratic presidents.

I'll come back to that below. But, first things first. The reason we have big government is because of the growth of entitlements: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, disability insurance, etc. Entitlements are nothing more than taking from Peter and giving to Paul. They are consuming an ever increasing share of federal spending and they are the principal reason for one of two nightmares in our future: (1) ever-increasing deficits for as far as the eye can see or (2) an ever-increasing tax burden.

From a purely statistical standpoint, the growth of entitlement spending over the past half-century has been distinctly greater under Republican administrations than Democratic ones. Between 1960 and 2010, the growth of entitlement spending was exponential, but in any given year, it was on the whole roughly 8% higher if the president happened to be a Republican rather than a Democrat.

Thanks for being open and looking. I have only done minimal research on this but from what I understand the "left" equals larger government is largely a myth.

I also noticed it got larger under Obama, which is what might be on unsung's mind.

Typically, in Canada, one of the biggest things you hear conservatives bitching about is the massive governments of the Democrats, so I assumed (which I shouldn't have) it was also true in the US.

National debt went from $9T to over $20T.

Gotta pay the bills the republicans left behind.

LOL

Pills and war aren't cheap.

Preaching to the choir, I am against these wars and have been.

Just like I was against Obama interfering with Libya and creating the humanitarian crisis in Syria. We have no business there, it isn't defending this country.

Limiting visas from hotbeds is defending this country.