End the Electoral College

PJfanwillneverleave1 · November 2016

What a bunch of bologna. The American election process is from another planet.
That’s due to happen on 12 December, at meetings in each state where all Republican or Democrat representatives – depending on how each state voted – will cast their vote. And it will almost certainly go one way, with most of the electors casting their ballots for Donald Trump and making him President
But that could, theoretically, not happen. Members of the electoral college could potentially change their mind – becoming what is known as a “faithless elector” – and so cast their ballot for somebody else, or not at all.
The phenomenon of the faithless voter is giving people hope that perhaps Donald Trump won’t actually become the President of the US. It’s almost impossible that it would make any difference, but it does show that Donald Trump’s path to presidency might not be simple.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/uselection/donald-trump-could-still-not-become-president-because-of-‘faithless-electors’-and-the-electoral-college/ar-AAk9WWY?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartandhp

bootleg · November 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
What a bunch of bologna. The American election process is from another planet.
That’s due to happen on 12 December, at meetings in each state where all Republican or Democrat representatives – depending on how each state voted – will cast their vote. And it will almost certainly go one way, with most of the electors casting their ballots for Donald Trump and making him President
But that could, theoretically, not happen. Members of the electoral college could potentially change their mind – becoming what is known as a “faithless elector” – and so cast their ballot for somebody else, or not at all.
The phenomenon of the faithless voter is giving people hope that perhaps Donald Trump won’t actually become the President of the US. It’s almost impossible that it would make any difference, but it does show that Donald Trump’s path to presidency might not be simple.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/uselection/donald-trump-could-still-not-become-president-because-of-‘faithless-electors’-and-the-electoral-college/ar-AAk9WWY?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartandhp

It's not likely to happen but is part of the design. There have been "faithless electors" in the past but most acted on their own and not part of some organized effort. It would take a largely organized effort to swing the EC by the amount needed. It would also likely cause extreme instability, but of course one could argue that a Trump presidency could do the same.

Ledbetterman10 · November 2016

pjalive21 said:

polaris_x said:

pjalive21 said:
bigger picture.........

the point of the electoral college was to prevent a state like California from dominating the popular vote...the president was seen as a representative of the states of the union and not that of the people so they gave all the states a fair chance in an election...it also prevented intimidation of stealing votes from people who could be bought or bullied into changing a vote

I cannot believe how many people are questioning the electoral college, its mind boggling...no way, no how the popular vote should be the way to go

did anyone take Civics in college or read anything to do with the founding fathers???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5PbodZMA2M
this makes no sense ...

currently california has 55 electoral college votes ... that currently ALL go towards the democrat in the election ... that's 55 out of 538 or just over 10% ...

there are about 18 million registered voters in california ... 146 million in the US ... so, if ALL californians voted democrat - that would be 12% ... but we know that 62% of californians voted democrat ... so, if there was some format that considered popular vote or proportional representation - californian democrats would only be able to influence 8% of the national vote ... at least now the 32% who voted republican in california would get a say ... instead of 100% of the electoral college votes going for the democrat ...
how does that not make any sense...what i explained was exactly why the electoral college was set up

a state like California can sway an election due to the population size...the EC was set up so that the same few states wouldn't determine an election and its worked no matter how hard people try to tell us that FL, OH, and PA are the swing states?

If you take away the EC, then suddenly the republican candidate feels the need to campaign there. Would he get more than 50% of the vote? Probably not. But he could cut into the democrat's margin in CA and those votes for him in CA would matter in the big picture.

Gern Blansten · November 2016

CNN is showing Clinton +400,000 on popular vote

bootleg · November 2016

https://www.yahoo.com/news/millions-sign-petition-urging-electoral-college-to-elect-hillary-clinton-175038196.html

lukin2006 · November 2016

Gern Blansten said:
CNN is showing Clinton +400,000 on popular vote

Then if your system was based on popular vote she'd be president-elect...but your system doesn't work that way...

Gern Blansten · November 2016

lukin2006 said:

Gern Blansten said:
CNN is showing Clinton +400,000 on popular vote
Then if your system was based on popular vote she'd be president-elect...but your system doesn't work that way...

Yeah no shit Einstein.

dankind · November 2016

The tragic irony here is that the misguided founders instituted the electoral college so that something like this wouldn't happen.

mcgruff10 · November 2016

Gern Blansten said:

lukin2006 said:

Gern Blansten said:
CNN is showing Clinton +400,000 on popular vote
Then if your system was based on popular vote she'd be president-elect...but your system doesn't work that way...
Yeah no shit Einstein.

I always like using "no shit sherlock". It just flows better.

lukin2006 · November 2016

Gern Blansten said:

lukin2006 said:

Gern Blansten said:
CNN is showing Clinton +400,000 on popular vote
Then if your system was based on popular vote she'd be president-elect...but your system doesn't work that way...
Yeah no shit Einstein.

Why are you bringing up the popular vote...elections are winner takes all and in this case it appears the unlikeliest of republican candidates delivered the republicans the whole show ... Einstein ... some of you who proclaim to be on the left sure are sore losers, must because your used to being awarded participation ribbons.

Gern Blansten · November 2016

lukin2006 said:

Gern Blansten said:

lukin2006 said:

Gern Blansten said:
CNN is showing Clinton +400,000 on popular vote
Then if your system was based on popular vote she'd be president-elect...but your system doesn't work that way...
Yeah no shit Einstein.
Why are you bringing up the popular vote...elections are winner takes all and in this case it appears the unlikeliest of republican candidates delivered the republicans the whole show ... Einstein ... some of you who proclaim to be on the left sure are sore losers, must because your used to being awarded participation ribbons.

I found it interesting so I posted it. We all know how elections work. We don't need your sarcastic bullshit comments.

The last two republican presidents were elected without getting more votes than a democrat.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · November 2016

dankind said:
The tragic irony here is that the misguided founders instituted the electoral college so that something like this wouldn't happen.

It's not ironic.
At the end of the day it demonstrates that you can't control the will of the people in a fair and just election.
President-elect Trump won fair and square and no amount of hunkering down to try and defeat him will do anything.
American people voted, it's done.

lukin2006 · November 2016

Gern Blansten said:

lukin2006 said:

Gern Blansten said:

lukin2006 said:

Gern Blansten said:
CNN is showing Clinton +400,000 on popular vote
Then if your system was based on popular vote she'd be president-elect...but your system doesn't work that way...
Yeah no shit Einstein.
Why are you bringing up the popular vote...elections are winner takes all and in this case it appears the unlikeliest of republican candidates delivered the republicans the whole show ... Einstein ... some of you who proclaim to be on the left sure are sore losers, must because your used to being awarded participation ribbons.

I found it interesting so I posted it. We all know how elections work. We don't need your sarcastic bullshit comments.

The last two republican presidents were elected without getting more votes than a democrat.

if you don't like the system, sign the online petition ... work to change it, it seem Clinton and your current POTUS are willing to live with the outcome .... unfortunately so many of you missed why Trump won, and it has 0 to do with racism ... the disenfranchised finally had someone speaking out against these ridiculous trade agreements...

rgambs · November 2016

dankind said:
The tragic irony here is that the misguided founders instituted the electoral college so that something like this wouldn't happen.

Absolutely true.

I don't know where to stand on the issue. With a popular vote everyone has a vote that is weighted exactly the same. Idealistically this is best.
In practice, that means that the elections become a match-up of urban vs rural as half the population lives in a few 10's of the thousands of counties.
City folk already think their way of life is universal and I wouldn't want that to get any worse, but I'm the first to bash the backwards, neandethal hillbillies for their political and social opinions.
This leaves me undecided.

Degeneratefk · November 2016

dankind said:
The tragic irony here is that the misguided founders instituted the electoral college so that something like this wouldn't happen.

Bingo

dankind · November 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

dankind said:
The tragic irony here is that the misguided founders instituted the electoral college so that something like this wouldn't happen.
It's not ironic.
At the end of the day it demonstrates that you can't control the will of the people in a fair and just election.
President-elect Trump won fair and square and no amount of hunkering down to try and defeat him will do anything.
American people voted, it's done.

You would understand the irony if you understood anything about the founding fathers of the U.S.--or if you bothered to educate yourself at all on the matter before your reactionary response.

But I know better than to expect an informed response from the likes of you.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · November 2016

^^^
Well perhaps the founding fathers got it wrong.
Put an x in the box for who you want to win.
Even a Neanderthal could've come up w/ a voting system like that.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · November 2016

dankind said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

dankind said:
The tragic irony here is that the misguided founders instituted the electoral college so that something like this wouldn't happen.
It's not ironic.
At the end of the day it demonstrates that you can't control the will of the people in a fair and just election.
President-elect Trump won fair and square and no amount of hunkering down to try and defeat him will do anything.
American people voted, it's done.
You would understand the irony if you understood anything about the founding fathers of the U.S.--or if you bothered to educate yourself at .

I think I began to stop educating myself about your ridiculous voting system after learning about the faithless elector.
While pollsters, pundits, statisticians and political analysts were lost in their glen beck flowcharts real people got out and voted.
That is how you have President-elect Trump.

pjalive21 · November 2016

Degeneratefk said:

dankind said:
The tragic irony here is that the misguided founders instituted the electoral college so that something like this wouldn't happen.
Bingo

No, not bingo...he is completely wrong...please once again has anyone besides me taken a Civics class or studied the electoral college? It was meant to serve the purpose that it did even in this election

and you say the founders were misguided? they are smarter than most people in Washington right now with the exception of people like Rand Paul

Gern Blansten · November 2016

pjalive21 said:

Degeneratefk said:

dankind said:
The tragic irony here is that the misguided founders instituted the electoral college so that something like this wouldn't happen.
Bingo
No, not bingo...he is completely wrong...please once again has anyone besides me taken a Civics class or studied the electoral college? It was meant to serve the purpose that it did even in this election

and you say the founders were misguided? they are smarter than most people in Washington right now with the exception of people like Rand Paul

Rand Paul is a moron. Get a new hero.

End the Electoral College

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