Hillary won more votes for President

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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,546
    PJ_Soul said:

    Go Beavers said:

    I think since Nixon, people have had a negative attitude about the government that has stayed at about the same level over time. You do get peaks and valleys about trust of the government depending on what's happening at the time. Drama and political shenanigans has been going on since the start, and media has always been fixated on it.

    True, but do you get the sense that something different is happening right now? Many have actually suggested that, with all things considered, we could be witnessing the beginning of the fall of the American "empire". Hey, every empire collapses eventually...... I know it's hard for people to think such huge things can happen in their lifetimes, but they have to happen in someone's lifetime, so why not ours? The beginning at least? (remember, it can take a long long time for such things to happens - sometimes centuries. Could this be the beginning of the end? I think it's possible, and no, I'm not saying that just because of a couple of bad political candidates... a lot just seems to be shifting or passing a zenith, in so many ways).
    To me the only difference is we have two candidates with such high negative ratings, so everything just feels negative and blah this go around. There's always been dire predictions about the future of the US for over 200 years, so I see something like that as a constant. Things in the present always feel more intense, partly due just to the fact that's it's the present, and partly due to the fact that people tend to recall the past in a more positive light, and will remember positive events from the past more easily than negative ones.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited October 2016
    Go Beavers said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Go Beavers said:

    I think since Nixon, people have had a negative attitude about the government that has stayed at about the same level over time. You do get peaks and valleys about trust of the government depending on what's happening at the time. Drama and political shenanigans has been going on since the start, and media has always been fixated on it.

    True, but do you get the sense that something different is happening right now? Many have actually suggested that, with all things considered, we could be witnessing the beginning of the fall of the American "empire". Hey, every empire collapses eventually...... I know it's hard for people to think such huge things can happen in their lifetimes, but they have to happen in someone's lifetime, so why not ours? The beginning at least? (remember, it can take a long long time for such things to happens - sometimes centuries. Could this be the beginning of the end? I think it's possible, and no, I'm not saying that just because of a couple of bad political candidates... a lot just seems to be shifting or passing a zenith, in so many ways).
    To me the only difference is we have two candidates with such high negative ratings, so everything just feels negative and blah this go around. There's always been dire predictions about the future of the US for over 200 years, so I see something like that as a constant. Things in the present always feel more intense, partly due just to the fact that's it's the present, and partly due to the fact that people tend to recall the past in a more positive light, and will remember positive events from the past more easily than negative ones.
    But at some point it's going to be true - that is inevitable - and I said, I'm not saying this just because there are a couple of disliked people running for POTUS and people are suffering from election stress disorder, lol. There are so many factors to consider, economically, socially, politically, environmentally, etc.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,255
    If living in a virtual reality world is progress than the world is getting better. If not, than the world is getting worse.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Cliffy6745 said:

    brianlux said:

    Well, I just tell it like I see it. Maybe I am full of shit but my shit is honest.

    You sound like GF. The country is in terrible shape without any supporting evidence
    Well, at least you appreciate tha I have a sense of humor, haha!

    I think this years election ALONE is proof that we have some serious, dysfunctional problems here in this country. That's hard to refute.

    But OK, enough with the negativity. There are some great things about the U.S., no doubt. If I totally hated it here I would leave. I don't know of any place I'd rather live (although I'm sure there are some great choices out there). One really big thing we have here is potential. I always push myself to maximize my own potential (some time successfully, sometimes falling on my face). Same with this country. If we can come up with ideas like connecting wildlife corridors, give people like George Carlin freedom to say what he did on stage, create great music like Pearl Jam, Dinosaur Jr., and The Replacements, and invent jazz, you know we have tremendous potential. Let's stop wasting it.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,546
    bootlegger10 said:

    If living in a virtual reality world is progress than the world is getting better. If not, than the world is getting worse.

    As far as impact on the Earth goes, probably a virtual experience uses less energy and resources. I think that's where we go in the future as we will move away from a consumption based economy.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    Well I'm sure living in Southern California couldn't be helping your perspective Brian. I mean, isn't the region slowly working its way towards being uninhabitable because of drought??
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    edited October 2016
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    Post edited by Sea on
  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    brianlux said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    brianlux said:

    Well, I just tell it like I see it. Maybe I am full of shit but my shit is honest.

    You sound like GF. The country is in terrible shape without any supporting evidence
    Well, at least you appreciate tha I have a sense of humor, haha!

    I think this years election ALONE is proof that we have some serious, dysfunctional problems here in this country. That's hard to refute.

    But OK, enough with the negativity. There are some great things about the U.S., no doubt. If I totally hated it here I would leave. I don't know of any place I'd rather live (although I'm sure there are some great choices out there). One really big thing we have here is potential. I always push myself to maximize my own potential (some time successfully, sometimes falling on my face). Same with this country. If we can come up with ideas like connecting wildlife corridors, give people like George Carlin freedom to say what he did on stage, create great music like Pearl Jam, Dinosaur Jr., and The Replacements, and invent jazz, you know we have tremendous potential. Let's stop wasting it.
    smart man here....
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited October 2016
    PJ_Soul said:

    Go Beavers said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Go Beavers said:

    I think since Nixon, people have had a negative attitude about the government that has stayed at about the same level over time. You do get peaks and valleys about trust of the government depending on what's happening at the time. Drama and political shenanigans has been going on since the start, and media has always been fixated on it.

    True, but do you get the sense that something different is happening right now? Many have actually suggested that, with all things considered, we could be witnessing the beginning of the fall of the American "empire". Hey, every empire collapses eventually...... I know it's hard for people to think such huge things can happen in their lifetimes, but they have to happen in someone's lifetime, so why not ours? The beginning at least? (remember, it can take a long long time for such things to happens - sometimes centuries. Could this be the beginning of the end? I think it's possible, and no, I'm not saying that just because of a couple of bad political candidates... a lot just seems to be shifting or passing a zenith, in so many ways).
    To me the only difference is we have two candidates with such high negative ratings, so everything just feels negative and blah this go around. There's always been dire predictions about the future of the US for over 200 years, so I see something like that as a constant. Things in the present always feel more intense, partly due just to the fact that's it's the present, and partly due to the fact that people tend to recall the past in a more positive light, and will remember positive events from the past more easily than negative ones.
    But at some point it's going to be true - that is inevitable - and I said, I'm not saying this just because there are a couple of disliked people running for POTUS and people are suffering from election stress disorder, lol. There are so many factors to consider, economically, socially, politically, environmentally, etc.
    But btw Go Beavers, I agree with you about people tending to think of the past in a positive light. In many ways, that is just fantasy. And the further back you go, the bigger the fantasy is. Despite all the problems, as a woman, I am so thankful to have been born when I was instead of further back in the past. I don't know if it's so true for men, but for women, the later you were born in time the better. The only thing I am sorry about when I think about when I was born is that I never got to see Zeppelin. :frowning:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,546
    Zeppelin is my answer to the question of what band would you go back in time to see!
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    Go Beavers said:

    Zeppelin is my answer to the question of what band would you go back in time to see!

    :rock_on:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Go Beavers said:

    Zeppelin is my answer to the question of what band would you go back in time to see!

    Jimi....
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    PJ_Soul said:

    Well I'm sure living in Southern California couldn't be helping your perspective Brian. I mean, isn't the region slowly working its way towards being uninhabitable because of drought??

    I like parts of Southern California and don't mind that it is arid. Some of it is beautiful because of that, especially Anza Borrego:

    image

    But I live in the Sierra Foothills halfway between Sacramento and Lake Tahoe. We're considered to be part of Northern California. It's not my favorite place (too hot and dusty in the summer and politically very Republican) but it has it's good points.

    I've lived in several places in CA, as well as the north west and back east for a few years so my perspective isn't related to current location.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • rustneversleeps
    rustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    brianlux said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Well I'm sure living in Southern California couldn't be helping your perspective Brian. I mean, isn't the region slowly working its way towards being uninhabitable because of drought??

    I like parts of Southern California and don't mind that it is arid. Some of it is beautiful because of that, especially Anza Borrego:

    image

    But I live in the Sierra Foothills halfway between Sacramento and Lake Tahoe. We're considered to be part of Northern California. It's not my favorite place (too hot and dusty in the summer and politically very Republican) but it has it's good points.

    I've lived in several places in CA, as well as the north west and back east for a few years so my perspective isn't related to current location.

    God Bless Brian, America, and Pete Rose.....
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    rustneversleeps said:

    brianlux said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Well I'm sure living in Southern California couldn't be helping your perspective Brian. I mean, isn't the region slowly working its way towards being uninhabitable because of drought??

    I like parts of Southern California and don't mind that it is arid. Some of it is beautiful because of that, especially Anza Borrego:

    image

    But I live in the Sierra Foothills halfway between Sacramento and Lake Tahoe. We're considered to be part of Northern California. It's not my favorite place (too hot and dusty in the summer and politically very Republican) but it has it's good points.

    I've lived in several places in CA, as well as the north west and back east for a few years so my perspective isn't related to current location.

    God Bless Brian, America, and Pete Rose.....
    LOL I'm laughing because I know there are some who think all three are despicable. But hey, I'm good with being lumped in with America and Pete Rose! :smiley:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Go Beavers said:

    Free said:

    It's obvious you make yourself feel better by looking at the other bad guy and swearing that he's worse. When really It's all sweet delusion.

    I think Trump is worse than Clinton, and that's not a delusion.
    They are both terrible. Trump's terrible can at least be checked. Hillary will continue to get away with her terrible. I am for the terrible that is easier to police.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Gern Blansten said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    so you think liars lean right? I can't say I agree with that.

    Not necessarily...I'm saying that the right has to lie/deceive in order to pull people to their team.

    Why else would a working class family vote republican? The republicans are the ones that want to privatize social security, get rid of the ACA, cut taxes for the wealthy, etc. on the backs of the middle class. They convince the middle class voters by frightening them with big government, terrorism, welfare state, immigrants, etc. (I should also add..."taking away your guns", "war against christianity")
    This is just crazy. Read this in full and then you might understand why the working class might vote republican.

    https://life.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/a-handy-guide-to-left-wing-people-for-the-under-10s/

    It's from the UK but it applies here.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1KeAZho8TKo
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    BS44325 said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Free said:

    It's obvious you make yourself feel better by looking at the other bad guy and swearing that he's worse. When really It's all sweet delusion.

    I think Trump is worse than Clinton, and that's not a delusion.
    They are both terrible. Trump's terrible can at least be checked. Hillary will continue to get away with her terrible. I am for the terrible that is easier to police.
    Why do you think Trump can be checked and Hillary can't? At least Hillary isn't erratic and batshit crazy.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited November 2016
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Free said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    Free said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Free said:

    tonifig8 said:

    Kat said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    image

    Seriously.
    And thanks for that brain image above. That's just sad...but funny too. :)
    Have a great week, everyone.
    Why Don't we talk about how the DNC helped rig the primaries? And as soon as the DWS resigned HRC hired her on. Why don't we talk about how Clinton received debate questions in advance of the debate?

    Awwwwww
    Why talk about things that are unpleasant to her supporters?
    what I keep finding amusing is that one side claims the other side is so much worse and underhanded than the other. give me a break. THEY ARE ALL POLITICIANS. if you think one side is better than the other, you are a fool. it comes down to nothing more than voting for whomever you think won't nuke the planet.
    Gern Blansten said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    so you think liars lean right? I can't say I agree with that.

    Not necessarily...I'm saying that the right has to lie/deceive in order to pull people to their team.

    Why else would a working class family vote republican? The republicans are the ones that want to privatize social security, get rid of the ACA, cut taxes for the wealthy, etc. on the backs of the middle class. They convince the middle class voters by frightening them with big government, terrorism, welfare state, immigrants, etc. (I should also add..."taking away your guns", "war against christianity")
    To tell you this but the Dems are just as bad. You got to candidates and both of them are the 1% and they represent the 1%. You're not fooling anyone.
    Excuse me....when you are a 1%er that takes positions that makes the 1%ers pay MORE in taxes, etc. that is far more honest than the 1%er that wants to cut his own taxes.

    Wake up
    Apparently I am more wide-awake than you are. You apologize for Hillary. You have never had one critical word for her. She is a 1%er Who changed rule so she could take big money for her campaign. She screwed another candidate out of winning. She cheated by paying superdelegates.

    So wake up yourself.
    you can't prove she cheated. maybe she did, maybe she didn't. but there's no proof she did anything that is against the rules as they stand today, as much as those rules suck, she didn't go outside of them.
    Oh, good god, go read the Posesta thread. Plenty of proof there. I'm so sick of hearing people insisting over and over again (not particularly you Hugh) that her campaign hasn't cheated yet there is endless evidence. This just happened in the last week for starters...

    And she's being questioned again by whom? Oh yeah, the FBI.

    http://theantimedia.org/leaked-dnc-rigged-bernie-primary/
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