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What we've got here is failure to communicate.JC29856 said:
First they say protest peacefully then after doing such they shoot the protestor.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Brian...brianlux said:Why are we talking about the qualities of Kaepernick as an athlete? The man is either famous in infamous but either way he is a man who, unlike probably ALL of us here, is capable of sending a message out to large numbers of people. That's what the thread is about. Can we talk about that or is this just yet another thread getting hijacked by people with other agendas?
Why do you always feel the need to moderate these threads?
Sometimes conversations go sideways. They typically return to form.
Kap is an idiot. Don't lose sight of the fact that even before he pulled his publicity stunt... he was one of the most despised players in the league- by opponents and by teammates.
He called an opponent a 'n**ger' after tossing an interception and routinely acted like an ass. Having Kap lead the cause here is almost like having Ray Rice be spokesperson for domestic abuse.
If this was Jason Witten, Thomas Davis or Larry Fitzgerald... this discussion would be quite a bit different."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Why does it matter if someone was disliked? It doesn't mean his intentions are in the wrong place. This makes him less liked...0
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He decided to donate the million dollars to save face after he was lambasted the guy's a complete and utter fraud and could give two craps less about a cause of something he's never faced personally in his entire lifeCliffy6745 said:
Your opinions have not evolved over time?pjalive21 said:
where were these principles when he was parading around in BEATS by Dre commercials as the starting QB...im sure those issues were in the forefront of his concerns while he filming those commercials...oh wait...they weren't...racial issues were going on waaaaaay before he decided to do this and when he was a "star" i would have respected it more then, it looks terrible nowJC29856 said:
Too much money for athletes to stand on principles.......no wait, what!pjalive21 said:Now that he is starting QB again he will spend plenty of time of his knees
If im his offensive line im going half speed
See how that works?
there is no way you will convince me otherwise...you stand on principle you stand on them when you are on top and have a voice not when you are one foot out the door almost jobless to make the 49ers look bad
You don't think it is impressive that he is donating a million dollars to the cause?
I'd say you stand on your principles whenever you feel you need to speak up. Who gives a flying fuck when it happens?
Like I said when he had his Beats by Dre shoved so far shown up his ass he could have cared less about this causePost edited by pjalive21 on0 -
It speaks to his character. He's never been known to be righteous... he's been known to be an ass. It brings to question his motives.Cliffy6745 said:Why does it matter if someone was disliked? It doesn't mean his intentions are in the wrong place. This makes him less liked...
I could be wrong, but I think his gesture was more self serving than selfless- just another 'hey look at me'."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
I have no illusions of being a moderator, Thirty. Sorry if it looks that way. I just say what I think and feel. You are free to talk about anything you want here.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Brian...brianlux said:Why are we talking about the qualities of Kaepernick as an athlete? The man is either famous in infamous but either way he is a man who, unlike probably ALL of us here, is capable of sending a message out to large numbers of people. That's what the thread is about. Can we talk about that or is this just yet another thread getting hijacked by people with other agendas?
Why do you always feel the need to moderate these threads?
Sometimes conversations go sideways. They typically return to form.
Kap is an idiot. Don't lose sight of the fact that even before he pulled his publicity stunt... he was one of the most despised players in the league- by opponents and by teammates.
He called an opponent a 'n**ger' after tossing an interception and routinely acted like an ass. Having Kap lead the cause here is almost like having Ray Rice be spokesperson for domestic abuse.
If this was Jason Witten, Thomas Davis or Larry Fitzgerald... this discussion would be quite a bit different.
As for Kaepernick using the "n" word- I don't care. He's half black himself. Besides, it's just a word. On this board we are not allowed to use the "c" word but in England and Australia it is common, generally not considered sexist and even at time is used as a complement. It's just a word.
Kaeperick is rebellious and I like rebellion. It's just how I am. Rebels make it more feasible for moderates to get their point over. Moderates don't appreciate what they gain from the rebellious."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Try using 'thug' without being besieged around here.brianlux said:
I have no illusions of being a moderator, Thirty. Sorry if it looks that way. I just say what I think and feel. You are free to talk about anything you want here.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Brian...brianlux said:Why are we talking about the qualities of Kaepernick as an athlete? The man is either famous in infamous but either way he is a man who, unlike probably ALL of us here, is capable of sending a message out to large numbers of people. That's what the thread is about. Can we talk about that or is this just yet another thread getting hijacked by people with other agendas?
Why do you always feel the need to moderate these threads?
Sometimes conversations go sideways. They typically return to form.
Kap is an idiot. Don't lose sight of the fact that even before he pulled his publicity stunt... he was one of the most despised players in the league- by opponents and by teammates.
He called an opponent a 'n**ger' after tossing an interception and routinely acted like an ass. Having Kap lead the cause here is almost like having Ray Rice be spokesperson for domestic abuse.
If this was Jason Witten, Thomas Davis or Larry Fitzgerald... this discussion would be quite a bit different.
As for Kaepernick using the "n" word- I don't care. He's half black himself. Besides, it's just a word. On this board we are not allowed to use the "c" word but in England and Australia it is common, generally not considered sexist and even at time is used as a complement. It's just a word.
Kaeperick is rebellious and I like rebellion. It's just how I am. Rebels make it more feasible for moderates to get their point over. Moderates don't appreciate what they gain from the rebellious.
I think when you lash out and call someone a 'ni**er' in the heat of the moment... it reflects true character. And I also think that word is extremely offensive in any context other than the discussion of the term itself."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Lol. I don't think people pay a million bucks to save facepjalive21 said:
He decided to donate the million dollars to save face after he was lambasted the guy's a complete and utter fraud and could give two craps less about a cause of something he's never faced personally in his entire lifeCliffy6745 said:
Your opinions have not evolved over time?pjalive21 said:
where were these principles when he was parading around in BEATS by Dre commercials as the starting QB...im sure those issues were in the forefront of his concerns while he filming those commercials...oh wait...they weren't...racial issues were going on waaaaaay before he decided to do this and when he was a "star" i would have respected it more then, it looks terrible nowJC29856 said:
Too much money for athletes to stand on principles.......no wait, what!pjalive21 said:Now that he is starting QB again he will spend plenty of time of his knees
If im his offensive line im going half speed
See how that works?
there is no way you will convince me otherwise...you stand on principle you stand on them when you are on top and have a voice not when you are one foot out the door almost jobless to make the 49ers look bad
You don't think it is impressive that he is donating a million dollars to the cause?
I'd say you stand on your principles whenever you feel you need to speak up. Who gives a flying fuck when it happens?
Like I said when he had his Beats by Dre shoved so far shown up his ass he could have cared less about this cause
I don't know what he has or hasn't faced in his life but you are allowed to care about causes that haven't personally impacted you. My family foundation of which I am a board member donates $75k+ a year to literacy for at risk youth. no one in my family has ever been at risk in anything.0 -
But why? Assholes can't care about causes?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
It speaks to his character. He's never been known to be righteous... he's been known to be an ass. It brings to question his motives.Cliffy6745 said:Why does it matter if someone was disliked? It doesn't mean his intentions are in the wrong place. This makes him less liked...
I could be wrong, but I think his gesture was more self serving than selfless- just another 'hey look at me'.
What does he get out of it? He is the least popular player in the NFL0 -
Haha! No, I like it here, thank you very much!Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Try using 'thug' without being besieged around here.brianlux said:
I have no illusions of being a moderator, Thirty. Sorry if it looks that way. I just say what I think and feel. You are free to talk about anything you want here.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Brian...brianlux said:Why are we talking about the qualities of Kaepernick as an athlete? The man is either famous in infamous but either way he is a man who, unlike probably ALL of us here, is capable of sending a message out to large numbers of people. That's what the thread is about. Can we talk about that or is this just yet another thread getting hijacked by people with other agendas?
Why do you always feel the need to moderate these threads?
Sometimes conversations go sideways. They typically return to form.
Kap is an idiot. Don't lose sight of the fact that even before he pulled his publicity stunt... he was one of the most despised players in the league- by opponents and by teammates.
He called an opponent a 'n**ger' after tossing an interception and routinely acted like an ass. Having Kap lead the cause here is almost like having Ray Rice be spokesperson for domestic abuse.
If this was Jason Witten, Thomas Davis or Larry Fitzgerald... this discussion would be quite a bit different.
As for Kaepernick using the "n" word- I don't care. He's half black himself. Besides, it's just a word. On this board we are not allowed to use the "c" word but in England and Australia it is common, generally not considered sexist and even at time is used as a complement. It's just a word.
Kaeperick is rebellious and I like rebellion. It's just how I am. Rebels make it more feasible for moderates to get their point over. Moderates don't appreciate what they gain from the rebellious.
I think when you lash out and call someone a 'ni**er' in the heat of the moment... it reflects true character. And I also think that word is extremely offensive in any context other than the discussion of the term itself.
Tell me honestly, Thirty, have you never lashed out in the heat of the moment? If you can say for certain, "no", then you are a far better- or at least far more restrained- person than I. I'm not proud of having done so, but sometimes it happens. And you learn and get better and do it less. I don't judge a person by one act of lashing out. No way."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I can't speak for the portion of my life I can't remember (when I was really young), but I've never called someone something racial.brianlux said:
Haha! No, I like it here, thank you very much!Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Try using 'thug' without being besieged around here.brianlux said:
I have no illusions of being a moderator, Thirty. Sorry if it looks that way. I just say what I think and feel. You are free to talk about anything you want here.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Brian...brianlux said:Why are we talking about the qualities of Kaepernick as an athlete? The man is either famous in infamous but either way he is a man who, unlike probably ALL of us here, is capable of sending a message out to large numbers of people. That's what the thread is about. Can we talk about that or is this just yet another thread getting hijacked by people with other agendas?
Why do you always feel the need to moderate these threads?
Sometimes conversations go sideways. They typically return to form.
Kap is an idiot. Don't lose sight of the fact that even before he pulled his publicity stunt... he was one of the most despised players in the league- by opponents and by teammates.
He called an opponent a 'n**ger' after tossing an interception and routinely acted like an ass. Having Kap lead the cause here is almost like having Ray Rice be spokesperson for domestic abuse.
If this was Jason Witten, Thomas Davis or Larry Fitzgerald... this discussion would be quite a bit different.
As for Kaepernick using the "n" word- I don't care. He's half black himself. Besides, it's just a word. On this board we are not allowed to use the "c" word but in England and Australia it is common, generally not considered sexist and even at time is used as a complement. It's just a word.
Kaeperick is rebellious and I like rebellion. It's just how I am. Rebels make it more feasible for moderates to get their point over. Moderates don't appreciate what they gain from the rebellious.
I think when you lash out and call someone a 'ni**er' in the heat of the moment... it reflects true character. And I also think that word is extremely offensive in any context other than the discussion of the term itself.
Tell me honestly, Thirty, have you never lashed out in the heat of the moment? If you can say for certain, "no", then you are a far better- or at least far more restrained- person than I. I'm not proud of having done so, but sometimes it happens. And you learn and get better and do it less. I don't judge a person by one act of lashing out. No way.
You do bring up a point and as a stand alone... his discrepancy could be overlooked; but I guess when I couple that outburst with his general obnoxiousness I get skeptical.
I'll admit to purchasing him cheap for a fanduel line up this weekend: run Kap run!"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
He gets to be relevant again.Cliffy6745 said:
But why? Assholes can't care about causes?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
It speaks to his character. He's never been known to be righteous... he's been known to be an ass. It brings to question his motives.Cliffy6745 said:Why does it matter if someone was disliked? It doesn't mean his intentions are in the wrong place. This makes him less liked...
I could be wrong, but I think his gesture was more self serving than selfless- just another 'hey look at me'.
What does he get out of it? He is the least popular player in the NFL"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
I think I already pointed out the timeline with beats and blm, the beats thing was well before blm gained attention, but alright.pjalive21 said:
He decided to donate the million dollars to save face after he was lambasted the guy's a complete and utter fraud and could give two craps less about a cause of something he's never faced personally in his entire lifeCliffy6745 said:
Your opinions have not evolved over time?pjalive21 said:
where were these principles when he was parading around in BEATS by Dre commercials as the starting QB...im sure those issues were in the forefront of his concerns while he filming those commercials...oh wait...they weren't...racial issues were going on waaaaaay before he decided to do this and when he was a "star" i would have respected it more then, it looks terrible nowJC29856 said:
Too much money for athletes to stand on principles.......no wait, what!pjalive21 said:Now that he is starting QB again he will spend plenty of time of his knees
If im his offensive line im going half speed
See how that works?
there is no way you will convince me otherwise...you stand on principle you stand on them when you are on top and have a voice not when you are one foot out the door almost jobless to make the 49ers look bad
You don't think it is impressive that he is donating a million dollars to the cause?
I'd say you stand on your principles whenever you feel you need to speak up. Who gives a flying fuck when it happens?
Like I said when he had his Beats by Dre shoved so far shown up his ass he could have cared less about this cause0 -
He always spoke out purple just weren't tuned in. I may have said this before also.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
It speaks to his character. He's never been known to be righteous... he's been known to be an ass. It brings to question his motives.Cliffy6745 said:Why does it matter if someone was disliked? It doesn't mean his intentions are in the wrong place. This makes him less liked...
I could be wrong, but I think his gesture was more self serving than selfless- just another 'hey look at me'.
What's self interest is he serving? He is a SB QB in SF but he needs more attention?0 -
Oh yeah... he was at the forefront of a social movement.JC29856 said:
He always spoke out purple just weren't tuned in. I may have said this before also.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
It speaks to his character. He's never been known to be righteous... he's been known to be an ass. It brings to question his motives.Cliffy6745 said:Why does it matter if someone was disliked? It doesn't mean his intentions are in the wrong place. This makes him less liked...
I could be wrong, but I think his gesture was more self serving than selfless- just another 'hey look at me'.
What's self interest is he serving? He is a SB QB in SF but he needs more attention?
'Was' (not is) a (losing) superbowl QB in SF that had found himself irrelevant. He needed some attention. His success was very short lived and his fall from his perch was dramatic."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Believe what you want but it's out there... You can't start with a timeline of his Twitter posts which predate blm.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Oh yeah... he was at the forefront of a social movement.JC29856 said:
He always spoke out purple just weren't tuned in. I may have said this before also.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
It speaks to his character. He's never been known to be righteous... he's been known to be an ass. It brings to question his motives.Cliffy6745 said:Why does it matter if someone was disliked? It doesn't mean his intentions are in the wrong place. This makes him less liked...
I could be wrong, but I think his gesture was more self serving than selfless- just another 'hey look at me'.
What's self interest is he serving? He is a SB QB in SF but he needs more attention?
'Was' (not is) a (losing) superbowl QB in SF that had found himself irrelevant. He needed some attention. His success was very short lived and his fall from his perch was dramatic.0 -
I'm a bay area guy and for a while their, Kaepernick was a fine athlete and a lot of local football fans were proud of him. Sometimes fame in the big leagues is short-lived but during that time, the Niner fans thrilled to have him as their QB. But it didn't last. Oh well, he got compensated fairly. But as an outspoken person, a guy using his visibility to make an important point- I like that even better. And a lot of bay area folks are even more proud of him now because of it (see my post re. the billboard coming off the Bay Bridge.) It sounds to me like some people have more of a problem with him not continuing as a football star than with him speaking out.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Oh yeah... he was at the forefront of a social movement.JC29856 said:
He always spoke out purple just weren't tuned in. I may have said this before also.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
It speaks to his character. He's never been known to be righteous... he's been known to be an ass. It brings to question his motives.Cliffy6745 said:Why does it matter if someone was disliked? It doesn't mean his intentions are in the wrong place. This makes him less liked...
I could be wrong, but I think his gesture was more self serving than selfless- just another 'hey look at me'.
What's self interest is he serving? He is a SB QB in SF but he needs more attention?
'Was' (not is) a (losing) superbowl QB in SF that had found himself irrelevant. He needed some attention. His success was very short lived and his fall from his perch was dramatic."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
The other thing that's kind of funny is that Kaepernic has probably been talked about more and longer here on this forum than any place on earth.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
But wouldn't that make it impossible for us to actually judge him at this point? If his actions were to either 'make himself relevant again' or 'protest social injustices' then how can anybody make a judgement now?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
He gets to be relevant again.Cliffy6745 said:
But why? Assholes can't care about causes?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
It speaks to his character. He's never been known to be righteous... he's been known to be an ass. It brings to question his motives.Cliffy6745 said:Why does it matter if someone was disliked? It doesn't mean his intentions are in the wrong place. This makes him less liked...
I could be wrong, but I think his gesture was more self serving than selfless- just another 'hey look at me'.
What does he get out of it? He is the least popular player in the NFL
If he becomes 'relevant' again and completely abandons the cause he has become a spokesperson for then yes, it was all about himself.
If he gets sacked 10 times this weekend, loses the job, is out of the NFL in 3 years but continues to spread the same message for the next 10-20 years then we can assume he was genuine.
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there is too much time spent on this guy as it is.....let him fade away.
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Remember the saying you can kill the man but you can't kill the message.Godfather. said:there is too much time spent on this guy as it is.....let him fade away.
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