Canadian Politics Redux
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I'm not a law maker or a dog owner, so I have no idea. I don't have a horse in the race, and to be honest, I think going overboard is better than not going far enough, as long as it doesn't result in people having to surrender pets that have never harmed anyone or in dogs having to be muzzled (leaving a breeding and buying ban as the only decent option). But yeah okay, you're right. Make it potential damage + actual attack stats. Considering that combo of factors should take care of the damage vs temperament problem. With that, just make a list of breeds that fall under a certain reasonable amount of risk. As for mutts.... no idea. I'd say the only decent option there is to say that if a dog is 50% or more of one of the banned breeds they're included. I say that because 50% is probably the minimum amount that is going to be easy to determine, since most people at least know the parentage of their dog. So if it comes from one 100% parent or two 50% parents, banned. Just a thought.Drowned Out said:Still way too simplified. We'd be banning bulldogs and pretty much all giant breeds regardless of temperament.
And again...how do you determine an acceptable percentage of genetic composition for the law, and for individual dogs without dna testing?
There is no just way to ban a breed. I'm onboard for increased regulation, especially of breeders... But be ready for a lot of legal challenges and either exorbitant enforcement costs, or a total lack of enforcement.Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
I have a black lab companion, sweetest most unagreesive friendliest dog ever ... those small dogs are the worst, a lot of them constantly bark when strangers are around and often behave aggressively, how do I know? I used to take my dog to a dog park, usually the larger breed dogs just play amongst each, those rat dogs just bark at people and on more than one occasion I've seen these dogs nip at other l dogs including my own that still bears the wound...so size is absolutely not a determining factor.
I think dignin is right, hold the owners criminally responsible. When walking my dog I usually take extra care when near people, it's more about responsible dog companship. It also would be nice if people learned how to approach dogs and if dogs bother you walk around them not just past them, people can take some responsibility as well to avoid a confrontation.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
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I also am not a fan of those little yappy dogs at all. For me, the bigger the better, lol. I would never consider a tiny dog. I'd rather have a cat. When I do get a dog (this won't be until I retire - I don't have the right lifestyle to take proper care of a dog now), I'd be looking at labra-doodles or golden-doodles (love the non-shedding factor of the large poodle crosses), or maybe a Burnese Mountain Dog, or a chocolate lab, or maybe an Irish Setter. Or a Saint Bernard would be great. Drools a lot and supposedly hard to train, but that's okay if I'm retired. I also love Basset Hounds, but they have more health issues. I would go for a Great Dane, but their lifespans are just too short. Anyway, whatever breed I choose, will do plenty of research first, and temperament and attack vs damage stats would be one consideration.Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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Getting closer. But how will you prove parentage?
I hate it when people question me the way I'm questioning you now, as if having an opinion means you should have all the answers lol....I don't expect that, but I think running through some of these questions shows how complex the issue is. I honestly think this gets blown way out of proportion by the media because they know how strongly people feel about it. Dog attacks should be pretty low on the priority scale of law making and social spending.
I know victims don't want to hear that. But when you consider how underfunded other enforcement or social issues are, this one doesn't deserve the focus it gets.
Half the breeds you just mentioned would be banned under your bite force and temperament / attack ratio criteria. You want a Cujo ffs! Haha..
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Lol. Nooo, none of those breeds I mentioned would qualify I don't think, because of temperament. Especially not Cujo! Those are known to have a very passive temperament, as they are rescue dogs... but yeah, if they do happen to attack they certainly can cause a lot of damage. Btw, I would probably name it Rowlf.Drowned Out said:Getting closer. But how will you prove parentage?
I hate it when people question me the way I'm questioning you now, as if having an opinion means you should have all the answers lol....I don't expect that, but I think running through some of these questions shows how complex the issue is. I honestly think this gets blown way out of proportion by the media because they know how strongly people feel about it. Dog attacks should be pretty low on the priority scale of law making and social spending.
I know victims don't want to hear that. But when you consider how underfunded other enforcement or social issues are, this one doesn't deserve the focus it gets.
Half the breeds you just mentioned would be banned under your bite force and temperament / attack ratio criteria. You want a Cujo ffs! Haha..With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Some of you people defending the right to own a dangerous breed sound exactly like the gun nuts that defend their right to an AR-15.
A chihuahua chews on my leg... I laugh. A bull mastiff chews on my leg- like 'Cookie' the big mutant that did so as I mountain biked- it doesn't feel very good.
Hey... fine. Have your dogs. And look the other way or dismiss child maulings that happen virtually every week across Canada because... like... that's that guy's dog (not mine)."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
I assume I'm not one of "you people", lol, but anyway, I support breed bans if reasonable and if done right. I couldn't care less if some stupid yappy little fuck of a dog tends to bite either. Give it a kick and go put some polysporin on it. I agree that preventing maulings (child or otherwise) need to be the priority, not letting people have whatever dog breed. I couldn't care less if someone can't legally get some breed of dog that they happen to like. Just get some other breed. It shouldn't matter that much. That is definitely at the very bottom of the priority list IMO. However, you need to make clear laws around it and make them doable, and that is where Montreal has obviously failed, so I get the frustration about that.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Some of you people defending the right to own a dangerous breed sound exactly like the gun nuts that defend their right to an AR-15.
A chihuahua chews on my leg... I laugh. A bull mastiff chews on my leg- like 'Cookie' the big mutant that did so as I mountain biked- it doesn't feel very good.
Hey... fine. Have your dogs. And look the other way or dismiss child maulings that happen virtually every week across Canada because... like... that's that guy's dog (not mine).With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
The idea behind the movement towards public safety is solid in my opinion; however, I agree with you, PJSoul, that the terminology and parameters needs work.
By the way... I came across an orphaned cougar kitten and I just love it. You should see how affectionate it is. I want to keep it as a pet. It's my right. And don't worry everybody... it's gentle. It wouldn't hurt a fly."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Was reading the Calgary cop piece Dignin submitted in the cop abuse thread and directly underneath it was this little bit about some scumbag getting five years for repeatedly raping and tormenting an 11 year old.
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/christopher-butt-sexual-assault-rape-1.3792748
Five years.
F**king scumbag child molester needs death actually. Canada's justice system which is defended so vociferously here by some has... yet again... proven to be soft. Pathetic actually.
The stream of nonsense never ends.
F**k. Ing. Soft."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Agreed...you can barely go a week a week without reading another wtf moment in Canadian justice.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Was reading the Calgary cop piece Dignin submitted in the cop abuse thread and directly underneath it was this little bit about some scumbag getting five years for repeatedly raping and tormenting an 11 year old.
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/christopher-butt-sexual-assault-rape-1.3792748
Five years.
F**king scumbag child molester needs death actually. Canada's justice system which is defended so vociferously here by some has... yet again... proven to be soft. Pathetic actually.
The stream of nonsense never ends.
F**k. Ing. Soft.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
There are people here who have vociferously defended the sentences given in the Canadian justice system????? Who did that? They'd have to be nuts. I don't know anyone who would do such a thing. I actually only recall people complaining about that in this thread, but maybe I forgot something.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Was reading the Calgary cop piece Dignin submitted in the cop abuse thread and directly underneath it was this little bit about some scumbag getting five years for repeatedly raping and tormenting an 11 year old.
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/christopher-butt-sexual-assault-rape-1.3792748
Five years.
F**king scumbag child molester needs death actually. Canada's justice system which is defended so vociferously here by some has... yet again... proven to be soft. Pathetic actually.
The stream of nonsense never ends.
F**k. Ing. Soft.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Oh yes.PJ_Soul said:
There are people here who have vociferously defended the sentences given in the Canadian justice system????? Who did that? They'd have to be nuts. I don't know anyone who would do such a thing. I actually only recall people complaining about that in this thread, but maybe I forgot something.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Was reading the Calgary cop piece Dignin submitted in the cop abuse thread and directly underneath it was this little bit about some scumbag getting five years for repeatedly raping and tormenting an 11 year old.
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/christopher-butt-sexual-assault-rape-1.3792748
Five years.
F**king scumbag child molester needs death actually. Canada's justice system which is defended so vociferously here by some has... yet again... proven to be soft. Pathetic actually.
The stream of nonsense never ends.
F**k. Ing. Soft.
There are people who have come on here and stated that these brutally soft sentences are merely outliers and that for the most part... our legal system has really got things figured out."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Justice William Goodridge handed down the sentence — the minimum allowed under the Criminal Code.
Nice one, Billybob!
She was only 11. Feared for her life and so violently raped that she couldn't wash or sit down. Billybob empathizes with the rapist- citing his past. Poor poor rapist.
He should be removed from the bench."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
To me that absolutely does not equate to defending the terrible sentences though. They obviously don't like it when the sentences are inappropriate short, and would like that stopped just as much as you and I would. They simply acknowledge that sometimes the sentences are appropriate, which is also true if you check out the statistics. That doesn't minimize the many atrocious stories that we can dig up. Why not just make your good point without misrepresenting someone else's perspective on the issue?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Oh yes.PJ_Soul said:
There are people here who have vociferously defended the sentences given in the Canadian justice system????? Who did that? They'd have to be nuts. I don't know anyone who would do such a thing. I actually only recall people complaining about that in this thread, but maybe I forgot something.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Was reading the Calgary cop piece Dignin submitted in the cop abuse thread and directly underneath it was this little bit about some scumbag getting five years for repeatedly raping and tormenting an 11 year old.
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/christopher-butt-sexual-assault-rape-1.3792748
Five years.
F**king scumbag child molester needs death actually. Canada's justice system which is defended so vociferously here by some has... yet again... proven to be soft. Pathetic actually.
The stream of nonsense never ends.
F**k. Ing. Soft.
There are people who have come on here and stated that these brutally soft sentences are merely outliers and that for the most part... our legal system has really got things figured out.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Because that was the point made. I haven't misrepresented anything (you're going on again about this notion).PJ_Soul said:
To me that absolutely does not equate to defending the terrible sentences though. They obviously don't like it when the sentences are inappropriate short, and would like that stopped just as much as you and I would. They simply acknowledge that sometimes the sentences are appropriate, which is also true if you check out the statistics. That doesn't minimize the many atrocious stories that we can dig up. Why not just make your good point without misrepresenting someone else's perspective on the issue?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Oh yes.PJ_Soul said:
There are people here who have vociferously defended the sentences given in the Canadian justice system????? Who did that? They'd have to be nuts. I don't know anyone who would do such a thing. I actually only recall people complaining about that in this thread, but maybe I forgot something.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Was reading the Calgary cop piece Dignin submitted in the cop abuse thread and directly underneath it was this little bit about some scumbag getting five years for repeatedly raping and tormenting an 11 year old.
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/christopher-butt-sexual-assault-rape-1.3792748
Five years.
F**king scumbag child molester needs death actually. Canada's justice system which is defended so vociferously here by some has... yet again... proven to be soft. Pathetic actually.
The stream of nonsense never ends.
F**k. Ing. Soft.
There are people who have come on here and stated that these brutally soft sentences are merely outliers and that for the most part... our legal system has really got things figured out."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Am I? I actually was not aware that I had an ongoing notion about you and misrepresenting what others say. I haven't painted you with that brush. If I've said that to you before, I assure you it was based on that particular conversation and not others before it, just like now.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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winnipeg banned pitbulls nearly 30 years ago.PJ_Soul said:
I don't think there are very many people around here who are from Quebec ... the has been plenty of national coverage, but not terribly in depth coverage. The ban has been suspended by a judge temporarily though. No idea how long that is supposed to last or what's possibly going to happen during that suspension. But it's not like this is a Canadian first. There are a lot of cities/municipalities across the country that have their own bans or restrictions on pitbulls. It's big news this time because it's such a major population centre, but also because it seems they took it a step too far this time as far as enforcement goes (let alone the general controversy around the issue that we all know about).unsung said:Any discussion on the idiots in Montreal banning pitbulls?
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By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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Yup. Here are all the places where there are bans or restrictions in Canada. http://www.banpitbulls.org/where/where-are-pit-bulls-banned-in-canada/HughFreakingDillon said:
winnipeg banned pitbulls nearly 30 years ago.PJ_Soul said:
I don't think there are very many people around here who are from Quebec ... the has been plenty of national coverage, but not terribly in depth coverage. The ban has been suspended by a judge temporarily though. No idea how long that is supposed to last or what's possibly going to happen during that suspension. But it's not like this is a Canadian first. There are a lot of cities/municipalities across the country that have their own bans or restrictions on pitbulls. It's big news this time because it's such a major population centre, but also because it seems they took it a step too far this time as far as enforcement goes (let alone the general controversy around the issue that we all know about).unsung said:Any discussion on the idiots in Montreal banning pitbulls?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
soft sentences are a problem, yes. but I don't believe they are the norm. that's the shit that gets reported. what doesn't get reported is the 99% of sentences that are in line with the crime.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Because that was the point made. I haven't misrepresented anything (you're going on again about this notion).PJ_Soul said:
To me that absolutely does not equate to defending the terrible sentences though. They obviously don't like it when the sentences are inappropriate short, and would like that stopped just as much as you and I would. They simply acknowledge that sometimes the sentences are appropriate, which is also true if you check out the statistics. That doesn't minimize the many atrocious stories that we can dig up. Why not just make your good point without misrepresenting someone else's perspective on the issue?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Oh yes.PJ_Soul said:
There are people here who have vociferously defended the sentences given in the Canadian justice system????? Who did that? They'd have to be nuts. I don't know anyone who would do such a thing. I actually only recall people complaining about that in this thread, but maybe I forgot something.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:Was reading the Calgary cop piece Dignin submitted in the cop abuse thread and directly underneath it was this little bit about some scumbag getting five years for repeatedly raping and tormenting an 11 year old.
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/christopher-butt-sexual-assault-rape-1.3792748
Five years.
F**king scumbag child molester needs death actually. Canada's justice system which is defended so vociferously here by some has... yet again... proven to be soft. Pathetic actually.
The stream of nonsense never ends.
F**k. Ing. Soft.
There are people who have come on here and stated that these brutally soft sentences are merely outliers and that for the most part... our legal system has really got things figured out.
much like muslims and terrorism.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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