police kill unarmed black man

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mcgruff10 said:

does anybody have any reliable data to answer the following:
how many people were killed by cops this year?
of that total:
how many were white?
how many were black?
how many had weapons on them?
how many had prior criminal records?
how many were on drugs or mentally ill?
female?
male?

I was just interested in the breakdown.

Here you go:

In 2016, total is 708. In 2015 it was 990.

Male:679
Female: 29
White:325
Black:173
Hispanic: 111
Victim had Mental illness :169 no:539
Had a weapon?:
Gun:389
Knife: 127
Toy weapon:28
Vehicle:43
Unarmed:42

No data on drug usage or criminal records that I could find


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/

nice research bud. so only 42 were unarmed but of the 42 we aren't sure how many were under the influence of drugs.

breaking the 2016 numbers down further:
blacks make up 12.2% of the u.s. population but account for 24.4% shooting deaths by police.
hispanic: 15.6% of shooting deaths by police and 12.5% of the american population.
white: 63.7% of the total u.s. population and accounts for 45.9% of shooting deaths by police.

Unarmed blacks are over three times more likely to be shot by cops than unarmed whites.

show me some evidence to support this.

U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times larger than the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer.

A year after Michael Brown’s fatal shooting, unarmed black men are seven times more likely than whites to die by police gunfire

You can't leave out the fact that black men are more likely to be involved in violent crimes, gangs and in inner cities where these killings take
place far more often though since there's far more police there to begin with. It's not as easy as just looking at those numbers above, you need to look at crime statistics vs race and similar stats

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

pjalive21 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mcgruff10 said:

does anybody have any reliable data to answer the following:
how many people were killed by cops this year?
of that total:
how many were white?
how many were black?
how many had weapons on them?
how many had prior criminal records?
how many were on drugs or mentally ill?
female?
male?

I was just interested in the breakdown.

Here you go:

In 2016, total is 708. In 2015 it was 990.

Male:679
Female: 29
White:325
Black:173
Hispanic: 111
Victim had Mental illness :169 no:539
Had a weapon?:
Gun:389
Knife: 127
Toy weapon:28
Vehicle:43
Unarmed:42

No data on drug usage or criminal records that I could find


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/

well there goes the narrative that's been used by MSM and BLM

How so? According to these numbers: 12-14% of the population represent 28% of the people killed by police. (173 / 173+111+325)

Oh. Just as simple as that! Of course.

There might be a few more variables at play here. Like... say... oh... how about black people resorting to crime in greater proportion given they are not subject to privilege?

Geezuz man. In one thread you bemoan the fact that whites have all the advantages in society (which I wouldn't argue for the most part). Then here... you speak to the disproportionate deaths as if all other things are equal.

Holy f**k.

For the love of God del, stop talking sense!!!

When other variables are accounted for in the individual situations, unarmed blacks are more likely to be shot. Referring to the arrest rate being higher for blacks as a reason is actually the source of the prejudice, which is saying that cops perceive blacks as being more prone to violence, therefore they're quicker to shoot them because they view an action as more threatening when compared to a white person doing the same thing.

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

pjalive21 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mcgruff10 said:

does anybody have any reliable data to answer the following:
how many people were killed by cops this year?
of that total:
how many were white?
how many were black?
how many had weapons on them?
how many had prior criminal records?
how many were on drugs or mentally ill?
female?
male?

I was just interested in the breakdown.

Here you go:

In 2016, total is 708. In 2015 it was 990.

Male:679
Female: 29
White:325
Black:173
Hispanic: 111
Victim had Mental illness :169 no:539
Had a weapon?:
Gun:389
Knife: 127
Toy weapon:28
Vehicle:43
Unarmed:42

No data on drug usage or criminal records that I could find


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/

well there goes the narrative that's been used by MSM and BLM

How so? According to these numbers: 12-14% of the population represent 28% of the people killed by police. (173 / 173+111+325)

Oh. Just as simple as that! Of course.

There might be a few more variables at play here. Like... say... oh... how about black people resorting to crime in greater proportion given they are not subject to privilege?

Geezuz man. In one thread you bemoan the fact that whites have all the advantages in society (which I wouldn't argue for the most part). Then here... you speak to the disproportionate deaths as if all other things are equal.

Holy f**k.

Holy fuck is right. They just posted the numbers asked for and you jumped down their throat.

I know cop apologists don't like the numbers, but the numbers don't lie. If you want to talk about another narrative to try and spin this in your favor, go right ahead. But don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the message. Which are facts by the way.

And you conveniently ignore the variables at play here because they disrupt your 'cops out to kill black people' narrative.

Read your teammate's response to mine (just above your post). It speaks to the reality of the situation. It's just not as simple as 'ruthless white cops hunt black people doing hardly anything and kill them' (as much as you, RG, and a few others try and portray).

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

pjalive21 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mcgruff10 said:

does anybody have any reliable data to answer the following:
how many people were killed by cops this year?
of that total:
how many were white?
how many were black?
how many had weapons on them?
how many had prior criminal records?
how many were on drugs or mentally ill?
female?
male?

I was just interested in the breakdown.

Here you go:

In 2016, total is 708. In 2015 it was 990.

Male:679
Female: 29
White:325
Black:173
Hispanic: 111
Victim had Mental illness :169 no:539
Had a weapon?:
Gun:389
Knife: 127
Toy weapon:28
Vehicle:43
Unarmed:42

No data on drug usage or criminal records that I could find


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/

well there goes the narrative that's been used by MSM and BLM

How so? According to these numbers: 12-14% of the population represent 28% of the people killed by police. (173 / 173+111+325)

Oh. Just as simple as that! Of course.

There might be a few more variables at play here. Like... say... oh... how about black people resorting to crime in greater proportion given they are not subject to privilege?

Geezuz man. In one thread you bemoan the fact that whites have all the advantages in society (which I wouldn't argue for the most part). Then here... you speak to the disproportionate deaths as if all other things are equal.

Holy f**k.

Holy fuck is right. They just posted the numbers asked for and you jumped down their throat.

I know cop apologists don't like the numbers, but the numbers don't lie. If you want to talk about another narrative to try and spin this in your favor, go right ahead. But don't shoot the messenger because you don't like the message. Which are facts by the way.

And you conveniently ignore the variables at play here because they disrupt your 'cops out to kill black people' narrative.

Read your teammate's response to mine (just above your post). It speaks to the reality of the situation. It's just not as simple as 'ruthless white cops hunt black people doing hardly anything and kill them' (as much as you, RG, and a few others try and portray).

Your making shit up again. Where have I ignored any variables?

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

pjalive21 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mcgruff10 said:

does anybody have any reliable data to answer the following:
how many people were killed by cops this year?
of that total:
how many were white?
how many were black?
how many had weapons on them?
how many had prior criminal records?
how many were on drugs or mentally ill?
female?
male?

I was just interested in the breakdown.

Here you go:

In 2016, total is 708. In 2015 it was 990.

Male:679
Female: 29
White:325
Black:173
Hispanic: 111
Victim had Mental illness :169 no:539
Had a weapon?:
Gun:389
Knife: 127
Toy weapon:28
Vehicle:43
Unarmed:42

No data on drug usage or criminal records that I could find


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/

well there goes the narrative that's been used by MSM and BLM

How so? According to these numbers: 12-14% of the population represent 28% of the people killed by police. (173 / 173+111+325)

Oh. Just as simple as that! Of course.

There might be a few more variables at play here. Like... say... oh... how about black people resorting to crime in greater proportion given they are not subject to privilege?

Geezuz man. In one thread you bemoan the fact that whites have all the advantages in society (which I wouldn't argue for the most part). Then here... you speak to the disproportionate deaths as if all other things are equal.

Holy f**k.

For the love of God del, stop talking sense!!!

When other variables are accounted for in the individual situations, unarmed blacks are more likely to be shot. Referring to the arrest rate being higher for blacks as a reason is actually the source of the prejudice, which is saying that cops perceive blacks as being more prone to violence, therefore they're quicker to shoot them because they view an action as more threatening when compared to a white person doing the same thing.

For the love of god we are talking 42 unarmed people were shot and killed this year by police out of a country that has more than 300 million people. 99.99999999% of arrests aren't talked about. But those 42 unarmed guys...man let s let it tear a part our country.
The way some of you sensationalize the numbers I have to wonder if you work for msnbc or fox. The media is a huuuuge part of the problem.

I'm totally aware of the numbers and not sensationalizing anything. Cops shooting blacks is just one part of the problem, but it happens to get a lot of the attention. What gets less attention is bias in the court system, abuse and denial of rights (unlawful searches, targeting), ignoring probable cause, etc.

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

CM189191 said:

pjalive21 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mcgruff10 said:

does anybody have any reliable data to answer the following:
how many people were killed by cops this year?
of that total:
how many were white?
how many were black?
how many had weapons on them?
how many had prior criminal records?
how many were on drugs or mentally ill?
female?
male?

I was just interested in the breakdown.

Here you go:

In 2016, total is 708. In 2015 it was 990.

Male:679
Female: 29
White:325
Black:173
Hispanic: 111
Victim had Mental illness :169 no:539
Had a weapon?:
Gun:389
Knife: 127
Toy weapon:28
Vehicle:43
Unarmed:42

No data on drug usage or criminal records that I could find


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/

well there goes the narrative that's been used by MSM and BLM

How so? According to these numbers: 12-14% of the population represent 28% of the people killed by police. (173 / 173+111+325)

Oh. Just as simple as that! Of course.

There might be a few more variables at play here. Like... say... oh... how about black people resorting to crime in greater proportion given they are not subject to privilege?

Geezuz man. In one thread you bemoan the fact that whites have all the advantages in society (which I wouldn't argue for the most part). Then here... you speak to the disproportionate deaths as if all other things are equal.

Holy f**k.

For the love of God del, stop talking sense!!!

When other variables are accounted for in the individual situations, unarmed blacks are more likely to be shot. Referring to the arrest rate being higher for blacks as a reason is actually the source of the prejudice, which is saying that cops perceive blacks as being more prone to violence, therefore they're quicker to shoot them because they view an action as more threatening when compared to a white person doing the same thing.

For the love of god we are talking 42 unarmed people were shot and killed this year by police out of a country that has more than 300 million people. 99.99999999% of arrests aren't talked about. But those 42 unarmed guys...man let s let it tear a part our country.
The way some of you sensationalize the numbers I have to wonder if you work for msnbc or fox. The media is a huuuuge part of the problem.

And out of those 42, does that include how many were thought to be armed (I saw toy gun had its own stay, but maybe reported as armed or something else mistaken for a gun)? And how many were "unarmed" but physically assaulted the cop and went for his weapon? How many were resisting arrest?
Since this has been in constant news I have seen I think one single story where anyone was shot who was 100% in compliance. And maybe 2 or 3 more who resisted, but I don't think lethal force was justified.
I agree, if you're black you are more likely to get shot by police.
Why do the stats posted automatically prove cops are racist? Why can't they support the rest of the data that there is more violent crime in black neighborhoods? So let's amend my last statement to : if you are black you are more likely to commit a violent crime, and therefore get shot by police.
I've mentioned before I think there are many reasons to this, mostly a cycle of poverty and lack of father figures that often isn't broken and not that blacks are inherently violent. But that doesn't change the fact that so many ignore, more violent crimes are committed by blacks and a much, much higher gang activity, would could not be possibly connected to more shootings could it?