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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,535
    The stuff that happens to black guys does not happen to whites. It's not even comparable. Some individual stories of blacks being prejudicial toward whites is a small fraction.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,907
    Cliffy6745 said:

    the reporter comes across as a dbag but he does have a point. is your workplace an appropriate place to protest? and should your co-workers be required to listen to your protests at work? i think those are legitimate questions.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,535
    Should your staff be required to participate in a ceremony that is unrelated to your job duties?
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,286
    edited September 2016
    pjhawks said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    the reporter comes across as a dbag but he does have a point. is your workplace an appropriate place to protest? and should your co-workers be required to listen to your protests at work? i think those are legitimate questions.
    the important distinction here is he was asked a set of question in the locker room yes?
    it should also be noted this isnt the typical work place. the nfl has an expecteation these guys talk to reporters in what should be a private space.

    at any point did he disregard a question to make his points related to his protest?

    absolutely that reporter is a fucking douchebag for suggesting what is or isnt appropriate in a given space.

    thumbs up to Kelly for politely showing this guy for who he was in that instant.
    Post edited by mickeyrat on
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,907
    Go Beavers said:

    Should your staff be required to participate in a ceremony that is unrelated to your job duties?

    yes if it is part of the employment agreement and doesn't break any laws. this kind of stuff happens all the time in business. lots of big companies do activities during the workday that aren't directly related to their job duties.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,907
    edited September 2016
    mickeyrat said:

    pjhawks said:

    Cliffy6745 said:

    the reporter comes across as a dbag but he does have a point. is your workplace an appropriate place to protest? and should your co-workers be required to listen to your protests at work? i think those are legitimate questions.
    the important distinction here is he was asked a set of question in the locker room yes?
    it should also be noted this isnt the typical work place. the nfl has an expecteation these guys talk to reporters in what should be a private space.

    at any point did he disregard a question to make his points related to his protest?

    absolutely that reporter is a fucking douchebag for suggesting what is or isnt appropriate in a given space.

    thumbs up to Kelly for politely showing this guy for who he was in that instant.
    agree if Kaepernick was just answering reporter's questions then i don't see any issue.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,535
    pjhawks said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Should your staff be required to participate in a ceremony that is unrelated to your job duties?

    yes if it is part of the employment agreement and doesn't break any laws. this kind of stuff happens all the time in business. lots of big companies do activities during the workday that aren't directly related to their job duties.
    Must have been in the agreement when they cut a deal with the US military.
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Go Beavers said:

    pjhawks said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Should your staff be required to participate in a ceremony that is unrelated to your job duties?

    yes if it is part of the employment agreement and doesn't break any laws. this kind of stuff happens all the time in business. lots of big companies do activities during the workday that aren't directly related to their job duties.
    Must have been in the agreement when they cut a deal with the US military.
    NFL games are a military infomercial
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Smellyman said:

    Go Beavers said:

    pjhawks said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Should your staff be required to participate in a ceremony that is unrelated to your job duties?

    yes if it is part of the employment agreement and doesn't break any laws. this kind of stuff happens all the time in business. lots of big companies do activities during the workday that aren't directly related to their job duties.
    Must have been in the agreement when they cut a deal with the US military.
    NFL games are a military infomercial
    Yup...how many people besides teachers stand before their workday and honor the flag or their country? Weekly? Monthly?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/mlb/seattle-mariners/mariners-insider-blog/article103589062.html

    First: "Black people beating whites when a thug got shot holding a gun by a black officer. Haha (stuff) cracks me up! Keep kneeling for the Anthem!"

    Couple things here...the beating white people comes from internet non sense circulated that wasn't from Charlotte or the US for that matter, thug is a somewhat acceptable way of saying N word, ignoring how anyone can determine guy is a thug and that he was holding a gun. "By a black officer" is an interesting narrative not to mention that some question if it was the black officer that pulled the trigger. And finally total butt hurt over anthem kneeling.

    Not only is he a raging racist, but a ignorant moron to boot.
    I do give him credit for being honest thou, most dance around the(ir) issue of disrespecting the flag and military blah blah, he cut right to.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    He won the lottery by being born
    Big hand slapped a white male American
    Do no wrong so clean cut
    Dirty his hands it comes right off
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,907
    polaris_x said:

    He won the lottery by being born
    Big hand slapped a white male American
    Do no wrong so clean cut
    Dirty his hands it comes right off

    on the other hand you could probably quote 100 rap songs glorifying the thug life so whats your point?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited September 2016

    "That's the great thing about this country"
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    edited September 2016
    pjhawks said:

    polaris_x said:

    He won the lottery by being born
    Big hand slapped a white male American
    Do no wrong so clean cut
    Dirty his hands it comes right off

    on the other hand you could probably quote 100 rap songs glorifying the thug life so whats your point?
    my point is this ...

    the notion of institutionalized racism and white privilege has been understood by many for a long time ... it's been understood by the band you are a fan of ...

    everything is interconnected ... the world does not operate in isolation ... people don't arbitrarily wake up one day and decide they want to strap bombs to their chests and kill innocent people ... it isn't random that access to education, health care and services are weakest in poor neighbourhoods that in many cases have black people living there ...

    so, while you may see some black men as thugs ... I ask that you see the circumstances that made that man into a thug ... a man supposedly born into the best country in this world ... the country that supposedly offers up endless opportunities if you just work hard ... the one that espouses liberty, freedom and democracy around the world through missiles and fighter jets ...

    guilt is a powerful thing ... most people don't want to feel it ... so, it's as simply as rationalizing a cheeseburger to somewhat with high cholesterol ... you can rationalize anything you want to explain things the way you want but likely that's all it is ... the truth and facts are there for everyone to see ... but only if you are open to it ...

    edit:
    from the movie hell or high water (which I highly recommend to everyone on the train) .. paraphrasing a bit as I can't remember word for word ...

    "being poor is like a disease ... being passed on from generation to generation"
    Post edited by polaris_x on
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    edited September 2016
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,288
    edited September 2016
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    edited September 2016
    pjhawks said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Should your staff be required to participate in a ceremony that is unrelated to your job duties?

    yes if it is part of the employment agreement and doesn't break any laws. this kind of stuff happens all the time in business. lots of big companies do activities during the workday that aren't directly related to their job duties.
    Pretty sure employees can't be forced to express patriotism and/or be made to worship a flag if they don't want to though. Not unless that is specifically written into their contract. If there isn't anything about that in their contract, then I'm pretty sure kneeling during the anthem is perfectly allowable. I still just can't believe anyone thinks they should be stopped from doing it. I for one am very glad they are. I hope it catches on even more. It has brought up a very valuable public conversation that is probably reaching a lot of young people.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,959
    PJ_Soul said:

    pjhawks said:

    Go Beavers said:

    Should your staff be required to participate in a ceremony that is unrelated to your job duties?

    yes if it is part of the employment agreement and doesn't break any laws. this kind of stuff happens all the time in business. lots of big companies do activities during the workday that aren't directly related to their job duties.
    Pretty sure employees can't be forced to express patriotism and/or be made to worship a flag if they don't want to though. Not unless that is specifically written into their contract. If there isn't anything about that in their contract, then I'm pretty sure kneeling during the anthem is perfectly allowable. I still just can't believe anyone thinks they should be stopped from doing it. I for one am very glad they are. I hope it catches on even more. It has brought up a very valuable public conversation that is probably reaching a lot of young people.
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    It is spreading.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    Good.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

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