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Rgambs. It must be complete hell for you on Saturdays in the Fall living in Columbus with all those crazy Buckeye fans!!!
Go Buckeyes!!!

rgambs said:

PP193448 said:

Rgambs. It must be complete hell for you on Saturdays in the Fall living in Columbus with all those crazy Buckeye fans!!!
Go Buckeyes!!!

Oh it was, when I lived in Columbus. I didn't have disdain for sports until that period, I was even a Bengals fan before that!
It wasn't just Saturdays in the fall, the entire city lost it's mind from August through February.

So that's why you don't like sports! Now I get it. Ohio State fans were always the worst visiting fans. All the smugness of Notre Dame's fans combined with a large dose of assholes.

Go Beavers said:

Empty Glass said:

Is the term "white privilege" racist? If so, would "black privilege" be racist?

Is there a problem? Absolutely yes. But there are plenty of homeless whites. There are white dudes being shot by the police. Do they not have "white privilege"?

One solution may be to not put a color in front of everything (I'm sure in some minds makes me racist). How about we fix the issues?

The term white privilege is not racist, it's describing a condition that results from racism. In this case, benefits whites have, which means others lose out of the benefit we're gaining.

Minimizing racism may or may not be due to the individual's prejudice. It depends on their reasons for minimizing it. For some, it's just uncomfortable to look at.

Does an African-American co-worker of mine who has a college degree, lives in a pretty damn big house in the suburbs have white privilege? He seems to be benefiting quite well.

Empty Glass said:

Go Beavers said:

Empty Glass said:

Is the term "white privilege" racist? If so, would "black privilege" be racist?

Is there a problem? Absolutely yes. But there are plenty of homeless whites. There are white dudes being shot by the police. Do they not have "white privilege"?

One solution may be to not put a color in front of everything (I'm sure in some minds makes me racist). How about we fix the issues?

The term white privilege is not racist, it's describing a condition that results from racism. In this case, benefits whites have, which means others lose out of the benefit we're gaining.

Minimizing racism may or may not be due to the individual's prejudice. It depends on their reasons for minimizing it. For some, it's just uncomfortable to look at.

Does an African-American co-worker of mine who has a college degree, lives in a pretty damn big house in the suburbs have white privilege? He seems to be benefiting quite well.

I don't know why I want to dive into this, but...

Are you really suggesting that white people in general aren't born with more opportunities before them?

Shit, I am a white, straight, Christian (I guess), male born into an upper middle class family. I was born on 3rd base, all I had to do was show up.

It's not denying an white person's hard work, it's saying they had it easier. You seem to want to emphasize the individual experience over the group, which is reasonable. If you take an individual black person's experience, you'll see discrimination and prejudice in different forms. If you look at a white's experience, you'll see white privilege. Now some whites will deny the privilege, and say it's a result of their hard work exclusively. Personally, I can go through a whole list of white privilege that I've benefitted from. This benefit has come at the expense of others.

PP193448 said:

So now we know Cliffy fits the stereotypical white privileged person. Not all white people grew up with Cliffy. But aren't there black privileged celebrity kids out there. Do Will Smiths kids have so many hurdles to jump over? Some of these stereotypes do not take any account of personal hardships and work ethic. It is complete falsehood to look at an individual at present socioeconomic status and try to define privilege without knowing the individuals past history... Someone may be well off at present time, but may have worked very hard during life to get there.

That's why they are stereotypes and generalizations. You cannot group EVERYONE into ANY category. You can't expect there to not be outliers.

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

It's not denying an white person's hard work, it's saying they had it easier. You seem to want to emphasize the individual experience over the group, which is reasonable. If you take an individual black person's experience, you'll see discrimination and prejudice in different forms. If you look at a white's experience, you'll see white privilege. Now some whites will deny the privilege, and say it's a result of their hard work exclusively. Personally, I can go through a whole list of white privilege that I've benefitted from. This benefit has come at the expense of others.

do your grandparents and parents know you shit on their accomplishments because i can only assume someone in your family came to this country with little or nothing yet you want to dismiss their hard work. they must be so proud of your dismissiveness

Wow, well first you have no clue what his family history is. But also, white priviledge was way more of a thing in the old days in America than it is now, even for poor people. I think it's an absolute guarantee that anyone's white great grandparents had white priviledge.

eddiec said:

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

It's not denying an white person's hard work, it's saying they had it easier. You seem to want to emphasize the individual experience over the group, which is reasonable. If you take an individual black person's experience, you'll see discrimination and prejudice in different forms. If you look at a white's experience, you'll see white privilege. Now some whites will deny the privilege, and say it's a result of their hard work exclusively. Personally, I can go through a whole list of white privilege that I've benefitted from. This benefit has come at the expense of others.

do your grandparents and parents know you shit on their accomplishments because i can only assume someone in your family came to this country with little or nothing yet you want to dismiss their hard work. they must be so proud of your dismissiveness

Reread the first line.

i'd love for him to tell me how my grandparents who came here in 1900 from Ireland with nothing and who were discriminated against in many ways benefited from white privilege. my parents grew up during the depression and my father fought in World War II at age fucking 18 to protect this country - tell me how they benefited from white privilege? fuck if i will sit back and let some blowhard tell me my grandparents and parents got what they ended up with because of white privilege and not their sweat, tears and hard work. i am not going to idly sit by and let someone disrespect those who came before me in that manner.

edit: and if Kaepernick was raised by white parents didn't he benefit from this white privilege?

Cliffy6745 said:

PP193448 said:

So now we know Cliffy fits the stereotypical white privileged person. Not all white people grew up with Cliffy. But aren't there black privileged celebrity kids out there. Do Will Smiths kids have so many hurdles to jump over? Some of these stereotypes do not take any account of personal hardships and work ethic. It is complete falsehood to look at an individual at present socioeconomic status and try to define privilege without knowing the individuals past history... Someone may be well off at present time, but may have worked very hard during life to get there.

Agreed. My wife comes from a blue collar neighborhood in Philly, her father died when she was 12 and her mother raised 3 kids on a shitty City Hall administrative salary. She clearly did not have the opportunities I had and we ended up in the same place. Both white. You're talking about celebrity kids talking about privilege? Sure, there are about 2 dozen of them...

That said, there are is a significantly more white folks who grew up with my circumstances than minorities, which is largely the point.

almost every ethnic group was once a minority here.

pjhawks said:

eddiec said:

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

It's not denying an white person's hard work, it's saying they had it easier. You seem to want to emphasize the individual experience over the group, which is reasonable. If you take an individual black person's experience, you'll see discrimination and prejudice in different forms. If you look at a white's experience, you'll see white privilege. Now some whites will deny the privilege, and say it's a result of their hard work exclusively. Personally, I can go through a whole list of white privilege that I've benefitted from. This benefit has come at the expense of others.

do your grandparents and parents know you shit on their accomplishments because i can only assume someone in your family came to this country with little or nothing yet you want to dismiss their hard work. they must be so proud of your dismissiveness

Reread the first line.

i'd love for him to tell me how my grandparents who came here in 1900 from Ireland with nothing and who were discriminated against in many ways benefited from white privilege. my parents grew up during the depression and my father fought in World War II at age fucking 18 to protect this country - tell me how they benefited from white privilege? fuck if i will sit back and let some blowhard tell me my grandparents and parents got what they ended up with because of white privilege and not their sweat, tears and hard work. i am not going to idly sit by and let someone disrespect those who came before me in that manner.

edit: and if Kaepernick was raised by white parents didn't he benefit from this white privilege?

What your ancestors did was obviously impressive and there are millions of similar stories, but there is no way you can convince me that the black folks who fought with your father in World War II had the same opportunities when they got home that your father did...