Three Way Discussion on Coal-Nuclear-Alternative Energy

lukin2006 · August 2016

Degeneratefk said:

polaris_x said:

Degeneratefk said:
The coal argument got away from my original point which is that coal is the most cost effective way to produce bulk energy other than nuclear power plants.
how do you define effective? ... producing greenhouse gases? ... causing health related issues?
I defined it as cost effective.

I'm not so sure Nuclear is all that cost effective ... those plants are extremely expensive to construct. Then what do you do with the waste? I however have no problem using natural gas over coal ... but that's still a fossil fuel, so I'll get shit around here for that suggestion...it is however cost effective.

lukin2006 · August 2016

Big Wind

http://tvo.org/video/documentaries/big-wind

I'm sure it's a one sided documentary done by tvo and all these people interviewed are crazy, worth the watch...

Free · August 2016

polaris_x said:

Degeneratefk said:
The coal argument got away from my original point which is that coal is the most cost effective way to produce bulk energy other than nuclear power plants.
how do you define effective? ... producing greenhouse gases? ... causing health related issues?

Black Lung? Community wide illness caused by the coal mines? Greedy CEOs pocketing massive amounts of money while workers don't make much?

PJ_Soul · August 2016

Free said:

polaris_x said:

Degeneratefk said:
The coal argument got away from my original point which is that coal is the most cost effective way to produce bulk energy other than nuclear power plants.
how do you define effective? ... producing greenhouse gases? ... causing health related issues?
Black Lung? Community wide illness caused by the coal mines? Greedy CEOs pocketing massive amounts of money while workers don't make much?

I am not familiar with the coal industry because where I live we function on hydro power and natural gas (not that coal mining doesn't still happen in the province, and that is very controversial for environmental reasons), but really? Black lung is still happening??

Degeneratefk · August 2016

lukin2006 said:

Degeneratefk said:

polaris_x said:

Degeneratefk said:
The coal argument got away from my original point which is that coal is the most cost effective way to produce bulk energy other than nuclear power plants.
how do you define effective? ... producing greenhouse gases? ... causing health related issues?
I defined it as cost effective.
I'm not so sure Nuclear is all that cost effective ... those plants are extremely expensive to construct. Then what do you do with the waste? I however have no problem using natural gas over coal ... but that's still a fossil fuel, so I'll get shit around here for that suggestion...it is however cost effective.

Once the nuclear plants are operation, it's extremely cost effective. Just keep the reactor hot to produce the steam (I know that is over simplified). I don't know what the cost is to ship the waste out west to the mountains. But im sure its a drop in the ocean compared to what that company is making. And I think those reactors last a long time before they are shipped out.

lukin2006 · August 2016

PJ_Soul said:

Free said:

polaris_x said:

Degeneratefk said:
The coal argument got away from my original point which is that coal is the most cost effective way to produce bulk energy other than nuclear power plants.
how do you define effective? ... producing greenhouse gases? ... causing health related issues?
Black Lung? Community wide illness caused by the coal mines? Greedy CEOs pocketing massive amounts of money while workers don't make much?
I am not familiar with the coal industry because where I live we function on hydro power and natural gas (not that coal mining doesn't still happen in the province, and that is very controversial for environmental reasons), but really? Black lung is still happening??

Just curious who is BC selling coal to? I was speaking to a fellow from Alberta and he claimed there is very little market for coal from Alberta ... basically he said most Alberta coal that is mined is used in Alberta. I honestly thought anyone still burning coal was doing so because it's mined in state/province and used in those states/province which is why I suspect it'd be difficult to get some of those US states off coal. Now maybe he was way off, maybe someone from Alberta or yourself could clarify. And curious as to your thoughts on exporting coal to other jurisdictions for profit? Is that not almost as bad as Quebec (thinking we don't anymore) still mining asbestos even though it has been banned in Canada for some time. Both can cause serious health issues.

Degeneratefk · August 2016

Hey brian,

Wanna go ahead and change the thread title. Lol

lukin2006 · August 2016

It appears we stopped mining asbestos in 2012, but has not been banned yet. So why are we mining coal? Both are bad.

PJ_Soul · August 2016

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Free said:

polaris_x said:

Degeneratefk said:
The coal argument got away from my original point which is that coal is the most cost effective way to produce bulk energy other than nuclear power plants.
how do you define effective? ... producing greenhouse gases? ... causing health related issues?
Black Lung? Community wide illness caused by the coal mines? Greedy CEOs pocketing massive amounts of money while workers don't make much?
I am not familiar with the coal industry because where I live we function on hydro power and natural gas (not that coal mining doesn't still happen in the province, and that is very controversial for environmental reasons), but really? Black lung is still happening??
Just curious who is BC selling coal to? I was speaking to a fellow from Alberta and he claimed there is very little market for coal from Alberta ... basically he said most Alberta coal that is mined is used in Alberta. I honestly thought anyone still burning coal was doing so because it's mined in state/province and used in those states/province which is why I suspect it'd be difficult to get some of those US states off coal. Now maybe he was way off, maybe someone from Alberta or yourself could clarify. And curious as to your thoughts on exporting coal to other jurisdictions for profit? Is that not almost as bad as Quebec (thinking we don't anymore) still mining asbestos even though it has been banned in Canada for some time. Both can cause serious health issues.

BC sells it to China of course. China doesn't give a shit about that stuff - they'll buy all the coal they can get their hands on! And of course the BC government doesn't give a shit. Christy Clark =

Yeah, that asbestos thing is shocking... I will never forget that Harper specifically defended the asbestos export industry. It was one of the reasons I hated him so much.

Degeneratefk · August 2016

lukin2006 said:
It appears we stopped mining asbestos in 2012, but has not been banned yet. So why are we mining coal? Both are bad.

It can literally take one breath (depending on the exposure) of asbestos to end up with cancer. Black lung takes a lot more time.

Gtilley8 · August 2016

Degeneratefk said:
Hey brian,

Wanna go ahead and change the thread title. Lol

Yeah, I'm partly to blame. My apologies. As for third parties, it could be argued a third party cost Gore in 2000. Who knows what the world looks like if dumbass never gets elected.

Free · August 2016

PJ_Soul said:

Free said:

polaris_x said:

Degeneratefk said:
The coal argument got away from my original point which is that coal is the most cost effective way to produce bulk energy other than nuclear power plants.
how do you define effective? ... producing greenhouse gases? ... causing health related issues?
Black Lung? Community wide illness caused by the coal mines? Greedy CEOs pocketing massive amounts of money while workers don't make much?
I am not familiar with the coal industry because where I live we function on hydro power and natural gas (not that coal mining doesn't still happen in the province, and that is very controversial for environmental reasons), but really? Black lung is still happening??

YES, black lung still happens. As long as there is coal mining, there will be a black lung. As well as there being polluted communities.

PJ_Soul · August 2016

Free said:

PJ_Soul said:

Free said:

polaris_x said:

Degeneratefk said:
The coal argument got away from my original point which is that coal is the most cost effective way to produce bulk energy other than nuclear power plants.
how do you define effective? ... producing greenhouse gases? ... causing health related issues?
Black Lung? Community wide illness caused by the coal mines? Greedy CEOs pocketing massive amounts of money while workers don't make much?
I am not familiar with the coal industry because where I live we function on hydro power and natural gas (not that coal mining doesn't still happen in the province, and that is very controversial for environmental reasons), but really? Black lung is still happening??
YES, black lung still happens. As long as there is coal mining, there will be a black lung. As well as there being polluted communities.

Huh. I guess I just assumed they had used technology to avoid such things by now. Respirators, filters, mining machinery, etc.

Free · August 2016

PJ_Soul said:

Free said:

PJ_Soul said:

Free said:

polaris_x said:

Degeneratefk said:
The coal argument got away from my original point which is that coal is the most cost effective way to produce bulk energy other than nuclear power plants.
how do you define effective? ... producing greenhouse gases? ... causing health related issues?
Black Lung? Community wide illness caused by the coal mines? Greedy CEOs pocketing massive amounts of money while workers don't make much?
I am not familiar with the coal industry because where I live we function on hydro power and natural gas (not that coal mining doesn't still happen in the province, and that is very controversial for environmental reasons), but really? Black lung is still happening??
YES, black lung still happens. As long as there is coal mining, there will be a black lung. As well as there being polluted communities.
Huh. I guess I just assumed they had used technology to avoid such things by now. Respirators, filters, mining machinery, etc.

That would mean that mine CEOs care about their workers.

I've read Big Coal by Jeff Goodall, and all CEOs care about is their deep pockets lined with cash. Ever hear of Massey Energy, coal mine out of VA? A very successful mine, the CEO was recently sent to jail for conspiring to violate federal mine safety laws. Yeah, looking out for worker's health isn't happening.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/former-massey-energy-ceo-sentenced-to-12-months-in-prison-1459961064

Degeneratefk · August 2016

PJ_Soul said:

Free said:

PJ_Soul said:

Free said:

polaris_x said:

Degeneratefk said:
The coal argument got away from my original point which is that coal is the most cost effective way to produce bulk energy other than nuclear power plants.
how do you define effective? ... producing greenhouse gases? ... causing health related issues?
Black Lung? Community wide illness caused by the coal mines? Greedy CEOs pocketing massive amounts of money while workers don't make much?
I am not familiar with the coal industry because where I live we function on hydro power and natural gas (not that coal mining doesn't still happen in the province, and that is very controversial for environmental reasons), but really? Black lung is still happening??
YES, black lung still happens. As long as there is coal mining, there will be a black lung. As well as there being polluted communities.
Huh. I guess I just assumed they had used technology to avoid such things by now. Respirators, filters, mining machinery, etc.

I don't think people gey black lung to often anymore. Black lugs is caused by long periods of inhaling super fine coal dust. Now, they wet the coal to prevent dusty condition.

brianlux · August 2016

Looks like I need to re-title this thread "Three Way Discussion on Coal-Nuclear-Alternative Energy".

lukin2006 · August 2016

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Free said:

polaris_x said:

Degeneratefk said:
The coal argument got away from my original point which is that coal is the most cost effective way to produce bulk energy other than nuclear power plants.
how do you define effective? ... producing greenhouse gases? ... causing health related issues?
Black Lung? Community wide illness caused by the coal mines? Greedy CEOs pocketing massive amounts of money while workers don't make much?
I am not familiar with the coal industry because where I live we function on hydro power and natural gas (not that coal mining doesn't still happen in the province, and that is very controversial for environmental reasons), but really? Black lung is still happening??
Just curious who is BC selling coal to? I was speaking to a fellow from Alberta and he claimed there is very little market for coal from Alberta ... basically he said most Alberta coal that is mined is used in Alberta. I honestly thought anyone still burning coal was doing so because it's mined in state/province and used in those states/province which is why I suspect it'd be difficult to get some of those US states off coal. Now maybe he was way off, maybe someone from Alberta or yourself could clarify. And curious as to your thoughts on exporting coal to other jurisdictions for profit? Is that not almost as bad as Quebec (thinking we don't anymore) still mining asbestos even though it has been banned in Canada for some time. Both can cause serious health issues.
BC sells it to China of course. China doesn't give a shit about that stuff - they'll buy all the coal they can get their hands on! And of course the BC government doesn't give a shit. Christy Clark =
Yeah, that asbestos thing is shocking... I will never forget that Harper specifically defended the asbestos export industry. It was one of the reasons I hated him so much.

Hmmmm....I just assumed china mined their own coal ... but of course they do use massive amounts of energy...I thought Harper defended asbestos mining, hopefully a ban comes into place.

lukin2006 · August 2016

Gtilley8 said:

Degeneratefk said:
Hey brian,

Wanna go ahead and change the thread title. Lol
Yeah, I'm partly to blame. My apologies. As for third parties, it could be argued a third party cost Gore in 2000. Who knows what the world looks like if dumbass never gets elected.

Probabably no war with Iraq...if only we could go back in time.

polaris_x · August 2016

Degeneratefk said:

polaris_x said:

Degeneratefk said:
The coal argument got away from my original point which is that coal is the most cost effective way to produce bulk energy other than nuclear power plants.
how do you define effective? ... producing greenhouse gases? ... causing health related issues?
I defined it as cost effective.

only if you don't quantify the impacts of using coal ... and it's not really that efficient in terms of energy production ...

nuclear is similar in that people don't want to talk about the ridiculous cost of building and maintaining nuclear ... much of our provincial debt is actually tied into our nuclear power plants here ...

polaris_x · August 2016

lukin2006 said:
Big Wind

http://tvo.org/video/documentaries/big-wind

I'm sure it's a one sided documentary done by tvo and all these people interviewed are crazy, worth the watch...

don't let facts get in the way tho ...

http://canwea.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/260315-Backgrounder-Big-Wind-Final.pdf

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