Three Way Discussion on Coal-Nuclear-Alternative Energy

mickeyrat said:

lukin2006 said:

...and for all those that like to bitch that all private companies are gangsters, well I never hear people complaining of there gas bills in the winter, but their is countless stories of people who are forced to heat with hydro forgone reason or another complaining about their winter hydro bills, and now the complaints are starting over their summer hydro bills because its been a humid summer ... and some people are forced to use air for a variety of reasons. We've done away with coal...ask real Ontarians how thats working out for them. Got to love the government and their ideas ... they can completely turn the electrical grid upside down with no business plan, just like all their ideas. Don't worry our premier plans to build bike lanes on all new highways and roadways, good use of money ... actually id like to nominate our premier as queen of environmental movement, thats all that the environmental movement needs nows a true leader like her.

can you define a couple things for me?

we can start with " real Ontarian" ?

and what I would guess is the opposite in "unreal Ontarian" or whatever term for the not real ones you choose or use.

or you could do a google search

polaris_x said:

mickeyrat said:

lukin2006 said:

...and for all those that like to bitch that all private companies are gangsters, well I never hear people complaining of there gas bills in the winter, but their is countless stories of people who are forced to heat with hydro forgone reason or another complaining about their winter hydro bills, and now the complaints are starting over their summer hydro bills because its been a humid summer ... and some people are forced to use air for a variety of reasons. We've done away with coal...ask real Ontarians how thats working out for them. Got to love the government and their ideas ... they can completely turn the electrical grid upside down with no business plan, just like all their ideas. Don't worry our premier plans to build bike lanes on all new highways and roadways, good use of money ... actually id like to nominate our premier as queen of environmental movement, thats all that the environmental movement needs nows a true leader like her.

can you define a couple things for me?

we can start with " real Ontarian" ?

and what I would guess is the opposite in "unreal Ontarian" or whatever term for the not real ones you choose or use.

he's borderline lost it ... honestly ... dude has hijacked all kinds of threads with his now irrational hatred for the ontario gov't ... for sure - they have a lot of issues but his rants have been off-kilter for some time now ...

Agreed. I'm planning on doing my best to ignore from now on.

PJ_Soul said:

polaris_x said:

mickeyrat said:

lukin2006 said:

...and for all those that like to bitch that all private companies are gangsters, well I never hear people complaining of there gas bills in the winter, but their is countless stories of people who are forced to heat with hydro forgone reason or another complaining about their winter hydro bills, and now the complaints are starting over their summer hydro bills because its been a humid summer ... and some people are forced to use air for a variety of reasons. We've done away with coal...ask real Ontarians how thats working out for them. Got to love the government and their ideas ... they can completely turn the electrical grid upside down with no business plan, just like all their ideas. Don't worry our premier plans to build bike lanes on all new highways and roadways, good use of money ... actually id like to nominate our premier as queen of environmental movement, thats all that the environmental movement needs nows a true leader like her.

can you define a couple things for me?

we can start with " real Ontarian" ?

and what I would guess is the opposite in "unreal Ontarian" or whatever term for the not real ones you choose or use.

he's borderline lost it ... honestly ... dude has hijacked all kinds of threads with his now irrational hatred for the ontario gov't ... for sure - they have a lot of issues but his rants have been off-kilter for some time now ...

Agreed. I'm planning on doing my best to ignore from now on.

then ignore away, once again your opinion is no more valid than the next person, including mine. and you don't live in Ontario...but you are psychiatrist.

polaris_x said:

lukin2006 said:

polaris_x said:

mickeyrat said:

lukin2006 said:

...and for all those that like to bitch that all private companies are gangsters, well I never hear people complaining of there gas bills in the winter, but their is countless stories of people who are forced to heat with hydro forgone reason or another complaining about their winter hydro bills, and now the complaints are starting over their summer hydro bills because its been a humid summer ... and some people are forced to use air for a variety of reasons. We've done away with coal...ask real Ontarians how thats working out for them. Got to love the government and their ideas ... they can completely turn the electrical grid upside down with no business plan, just like all their ideas. Don't worry our premier plans to build bike lanes on all new highways and roadways, good use of money ... actually id like to nominate our premier as queen of environmental movement, thats all that the environmental movement needs nows a true leader like her.

can you define a couple things for me?

we can start with " real Ontarian" ?

and what I would guess is the opposite in "unreal Ontarian" or whatever term for the not real ones you choose or use.

he's borderline lost it ... honestly ... dude has hijacked all kinds of threads with his now irrational hatred for the ontario gov't ... for sure - they have a lot of issues but his rants have been off-kilter for some time now ...

once again how many of these fucking windmills do you have in the GTA....how many? and i don't need you to speak for me, your opinion on here is no more valid than the next person on here.

this is a thread about 3rd parties in the US presidential election dude ... I get that you hate the liberals here in Ontario and for good reasons ... but your posts lack any rationality or objectivity ... i think you'd gain more traction if you showed some and without so much hate in your posts ...

and you guys are way off base on renewables ... if we factored in costs associated with pollution ... we wouldn't be using coal ... renewables just keep getting cheaper and cheaper every week ... we could power the entire earth on solar by 2050 ... we just need to let science and facts dictate policy ...

Fair enough ... for the record I think all political parties and politicians suck. I don't believe I advocate for coal, I also am not against renewables, I'm against the way Ontario went about it...to me if you are going about it. I would think you would be opposed to the sell off of a public utility to the private sector ... I've seen folks hydro bills who are forced to heat with hydro, most of these folks are on lower income scale. Maybe they doctored their bills, maybe they don't wear enough cloths indoors ... I guess it's just an exaggeration from so many people. Anyways back to the original thread topic. Like Brian said just crankier than usual from the obnoxious heat we've been under this summer ... hahaha.

polaris_x said:

lukin2006 said:

polaris_x said:

lukin2006 said:

polaris_x said:

mickeyrat said:

lukin2006 said:

...and for all those that like to bitch that all private companies are gangsters, well I never hear people complaining of there gas bills in the winter, but their is countless stories of people who are forced to heat with hydro forgone reason or another complaining about their winter hydro bills, and now the complaints are starting over their summer hydro bills because its been a humid summer ... and some people are forced to use air for a variety of reasons. We've done away with coal...ask real Ontarians how thats working out for them. Got to love the government and their ideas ... they can completely turn the electrical grid upside down with no business plan, just like all their ideas. Don't worry our premier plans to build bike lanes on all new highways and roadways, good use of money ... actually id like to nominate our premier as queen of environmental movement, thats all that the environmental movement needs nows a true leader like her.

can you define a couple things for me?

we can start with " real Ontarian" ?

and what I would guess is the opposite in "unreal Ontarian" or whatever term for the not real ones you choose or use.

he's borderline lost it ... honestly ... dude has hijacked all kinds of threads with his now irrational hatred for the ontario gov't ... for sure - they have a lot of issues but his rants have been off-kilter for some time now ...

once again how many of these fucking windmills do you have in the GTA....how many? and i don't need you to speak for me, your opinion on here is no more valid than the next person on here.

this is a thread about 3rd parties in the US presidential election dude ... I get that you hate the liberals here in Ontario and for good reasons ... but your posts lack any rationality or objectivity ... i think you'd gain more traction if you showed some and without so much hate in your posts ...

and you guys are way off base on renewables ... if we factored in costs associated with pollution ... we wouldn't be using coal ... renewables just keep getting cheaper and cheaper every week ... we could power the entire earth on solar by 2050 ... we just need to let science and facts dictate policy ...

Fair enough ... for the record I think all political parties and politicians suck. I don't believe I advocate for coal, I also am not against renewables, I'm against the way Ontario went about it...to me if you are going about it. I would think you would be opposed to the sell off of a public utility to the private sector ... I've seen folks hydro bills who are forced to heat with hydro, most of these folks are on lower income scale. Maybe they doctored their bills, maybe they don't wear enough cloths indoors ... I guess it's just an exaggeration from so many people. Anyways back to the original thread topic. Like Brian said just crankier than usual from the obnoxious heat we've been under this summer ... hahaha.

ok ... that might explain it ... it has been fucking hot ... but ever the more reason to figure out how to transition to a renewables energy system!! ... look at fort mac ... first wild fires and now flooding ...

My question to you then is this? My father worked at Lambton Generating for 35 years, and across the river in Michigan they have coal plant pumping out carbon...so we in Ontario have addressed our coal issue but you know the US states that impact our environment in Ontario have and likely never will address their coal plants ... to many jobs on the line. Now Michigan might not be a good example, but a good portion of the Midwest is still burning coal, that pollution does effect us. I never hear this premier address this issue. She's like all politicians in Canada , avoiding the issue with US, that issue needs to be addressed...will it.be addressed?

lukin2006 said:

polaris_x said:

lukin2006 said:

polaris_x said:

lukin2006 said:

polaris_x said:

mickeyrat said:

lukin2006 said:

...and for all those that like to bitch that all private companies are gangsters, well I never hear people complaining of there gas bills in the winter, but their is countless stories of people who are forced to heat with hydro forgone reason or another complaining about their winter hydro bills, and now the complaints are starting over their summer hydro bills because its been a humid summer ... and some people are forced to use air for a variety of reasons. We've done away with coal...ask real Ontarians how thats working out for them. Got to love the government and their ideas ... they can completely turn the electrical grid upside down with no business plan, just like all their ideas. Don't worry our premier plans to build bike lanes on all new highways and roadways, good use of money ... actually id like to nominate our premier as queen of environmental movement, thats all that the environmental movement needs nows a true leader like her.

can you define a couple things for me?

we can start with " real Ontarian" ?

and what I would guess is the opposite in "unreal Ontarian" or whatever term for the not real ones you choose or use.

he's borderline lost it ... honestly ... dude has hijacked all kinds of threads with his now irrational hatred for the ontario gov't ... for sure - they have a lot of issues but his rants have been off-kilter for some time now ...

once again how many of these fucking windmills do you have in the GTA....how many? and i don't need you to speak for me, your opinion on here is no more valid than the next person on here.

this is a thread about 3rd parties in the US presidential election dude ... I get that you hate the liberals here in Ontario and for good reasons ... but your posts lack any rationality or objectivity ... i think you'd gain more traction if you showed some and without so much hate in your posts ...

and you guys are way off base on renewables ... if we factored in costs associated with pollution ... we wouldn't be using coal ... renewables just keep getting cheaper and cheaper every week ... we could power the entire earth on solar by 2050 ... we just need to let science and facts dictate policy ...

Fair enough ... for the record I think all political parties and politicians suck. I don't believe I advocate for coal, I also am not against renewables, I'm against the way Ontario went about it...to me if you are going about it. I would think you would be opposed to the sell off of a public utility to the private sector ... I've seen folks hydro bills who are forced to heat with hydro, most of these folks are on lower income scale. Maybe they doctored their bills, maybe they don't wear enough cloths indoors ... I guess it's just an exaggeration from so many people. Anyways back to the original thread topic. Like Brian said just crankier than usual from the obnoxious heat we've been under this summer ... hahaha.

ok ... that might explain it ... it has been fucking hot ... but ever the more reason to figure out how to transition to a renewables energy system!! ... look at fort mac ... first wild fires and now flooding ...

My question to you then is this? My father worked at Lambton Generating for 35 years, and across the river in Michigan they have coal plant pumping out carbon...so we in Ontario have addressed our coal issue but you know the US states that impact our environment in Ontario have and likely never will address their coal plants ... to many jobs on the line. Now Michigan might not be a good example, but a good portion of the Midwest is still burning coal, that pollution does effect us. I never hear this premier address this issue. She's like all politicians in Canada , avoiding the issue with US, that issue needs to be addressed...will it.be addressed?

they are closing coal plants in michigan ... shifting to renewables ... see ... this is where your blind hatred has you not seeing the facts! ... haha

still tho - you don't really know what she's addressed with who do ya? ... i mean - she's not gonna publicly announce that she's cussed out michigan's governor over the use of coal ... it's just not diplomatically the right thing to do ...

lukin2006 said:

polaris_x said:

lukin2006 said:

polaris_x said:

lukin2006 said:

polaris_x said:

lukin2006 said:

polaris_x said:

mickeyrat said:

lukin2006 said:

...and for all those that like to bitch that all private companies are gangsters, well I never hear people complaining of there gas bills in the winter, but their is countless stories of people who are forced to heat with hydro forgone reason or another complaining about their winter hydro bills, and now the complaints are starting over their summer hydro bills because its been a humid summer ... and some people are forced to use air for a variety of reasons. We've done away with coal...ask real Ontarians how thats working out for them. Got to love the government and their ideas ... they can completely turn the electrical grid upside down with no business plan, just like all their ideas. Don't worry our premier plans to build bike lanes on all new highways and roadways, good use of money ... actually id like to nominate our premier as queen of environmental movement, thats all that the environmental movement needs nows a true leader like her.

can you define a couple things for me?

we can start with " real Ontarian" ?

and what I would guess is the opposite in "unreal Ontarian" or whatever term for the not real ones you choose or use.

he's borderline lost it ... honestly ... dude has hijacked all kinds of threads with his now irrational hatred for the ontario gov't ... for sure - they have a lot of issues but his rants have been off-kilter for some time now ...

once again how many of these fucking windmills do you have in the GTA....how many? and i don't need you to speak for me, your opinion on here is no more valid than the next person on here.

this is a thread about 3rd parties in the US presidential election dude ... I get that you hate the liberals here in Ontario and for good reasons ... but your posts lack any rationality or objectivity ... i think you'd gain more traction if you showed some and without so much hate in your posts ...

and you guys are way off base on renewables ... if we factored in costs associated with pollution ... we wouldn't be using coal ... renewables just keep getting cheaper and cheaper every week ... we could power the entire earth on solar by 2050 ... we just need to let science and facts dictate policy ...

Fair enough ... for the record I think all political parties and politicians suck. I don't believe I advocate for coal, I also am not against renewables, I'm against the way Ontario went about it...to me if you are going about it. I would think you would be opposed to the sell off of a public utility to the private sector ... I've seen folks hydro bills who are forced to heat with hydro, most of these folks are on lower income scale. Maybe they doctored their bills, maybe they don't wear enough cloths indoors ... I guess it's just an exaggeration from so many people. Anyways back to the original thread topic. Like Brian said just crankier than usual from the obnoxious heat we've been under this summer ... hahaha.

ok ... that might explain it ... it has been fucking hot ... but ever the more reason to figure out how to transition to a renewables energy system!! ... look at fort mac ... first wild fires and now flooding ...

My question to you then is this? My father worked at Lambton Generating for 35 years, and across the river in Michigan they have coal plant pumping out carbon...so we in Ontario have addressed our coal issue but you know the US states that impact our environment in Ontario have and likely never will address their coal plants ... to many jobs on the line. Now Michigan might not be a good example, but a good portion of the Midwest is still burning coal, that pollution does effect us. I never hear this premier address this issue. She's like all politicians in Canada , avoiding the issue with US, that issue needs to be addressed...will it.be addressed?

they are closing coal plants in michigan ... shifting to renewables ... see ... this is where your blind hatred has you not seeing the facts! ... haha

still tho - you don't really know what she's addressed with who do ya? ... i mean - she's not gonna publicly announce that she's cussed out michigan's governor over the use of coal ... it's just not diplomatically the right thing to do ...

I did say Michigan was a poor example ... I was referring more to the coal producing states.

well ... that's the US for you ... controlled by special and corporate interests ... what do you suggest they do? ... that's why they need to vote 3rd parties in! ...

There are a lot of better places to cut spending than NASA. How about stop all the military spending that ends up killing people for universal health care? Cutting spending on scientific space exploration and international scientific cooperation, which includes projects to protect Earth from devastating asteroids and to seek natural resources in space, seems like a pretty fucking bad idea when $600 billion dollars is being spent on the military in one year, largely on military intrusion.

Gtilley8 said:

lukin2006 said:

Gtilley8 said:

lukin2006 said:

Gtilley8 said:

lukin2006 said:

The space station and space exploration is a huge waste of money ... more government waste.

Most every study done estimates a $7-$14 return on each dollar spent on NASA. Do you honestly believe people like Branson and Musk, a couple of guys interested in profit, are simply trying to go to space because it's fun?

You mean a couple of billionaires ... billionaires waste money all the time. Kind of a lame argument, how many billionaires buy sports teams that never make money, it's done all the time...and I really love how these billionaires invest in expensive hobbies and then use the tax system to write off said losses. Wish I could write my hobbies off and download the expense to an overburdened middle to lower middle class taxpayers. You can make a study say whatever it wants. I'm sure there studies that say the government returns 7 dollars for every dollar spent on military. Nice try though...

Maybe they are just throwing money at a hobby. Or maybe, 2 entrepreneurs see the value in the vast amount of natural resources that space holds. I'll go with the latter. Nobody is "trying" anything here. Sometimes the correct answer is the easiest. Business are created to make a profit.

Maybe ... anythings possible, for the record I have no problem with those 2...plus to my knowledge it's their own money or private money. Question, would you prefer NASA or universal health care? I'm not really sure how if it would be practical to bring said resources to earth if discovered and I'm not a big believer that we'll find a usable planet to move to...I'd prefer we address our problems on earth.

Well, I was for single payer. I think Obama didn't go far enough when he rammed healthcare down the Republican's throat. That said, I'd like to believe that we don't have to choose between the two. Given that we don't have universal healthcare, per se, and we do have NASA currently, would i trade one for the other? Tough choice. We've gotten so many medical advances from NASA studies and programs that it could be a detriment to future advances in the field.

Fair enough, you are a wealthy enough nation that could provide health care by just slashing military spending. And I agree he could have went farther with health care reform...unfortunately it is what it is and the insurance lobby doesn't want to give up its profits.

Degeneratefk said:

The coal argument got away from my original point which is that coal is the most cost effective way to produce bulk energy other than nuclear power plants.

how do you define effective? ... producing greenhouse gases? ... causing health related issues?