Temple Of The Dog Tour and Re-issue Pre-Sale

imca43 said:

I was looking on stub hub for the philly 2 show. I counted up all the tix for sale at that time. It was just over 400. Which is approximately 1/6th of the seating capacity. I wanted to count up the other shows and figure out them ratios too but I was too sick to my stomach at that point. It would of just infuriated me further. Not to sound like a complete conspiracy nut but I cannot help but to think that there is something more going on with all these concert tix for sale like that. And not just TOD or PJ shows. Its rampant for most concerts. Most of the shows seemed to be sold out, well by 12 when they went on sale. Is ticketmaster in cahoots with stubhub? Is there a shady computer programmer at ticketmaster pulling a fast one? Is it simply bots? I just find it hard to believe that 400+ tix for a 3100 seat theatre are just the average joe reselling their tix.

Yah you really should read an article by an ex CEO of ticketmaster. It kind of supported what I felt was true, that blocks of the tickets often get sold directly to ticket resellers. The article mentioned it was promoters that did it, so I'm not sure how much blame goes to TM on that one. Basically you've got the combined problem of only a very small percentage of the overall tickets actually being on sale for the public onsale, plus all the fans that want tickets can all order simutaneously (instead of waiting in a line), plus the bots. It's a mixed bag of everything.

Personally I believe GNR found the cure with their tour. Play venues that for 80% of the time are too big. Charge the market price for the tickets. For many of the GNR shows there's so many tickets that flippers can't flip their tickets. Sure they could of sold out arenas, but with stadiums they sell more tickets than arenas (even if they don't sell out), and there's so many tickets that supply is bigger than demand, completely eroding scalpers ability to scalp.

The problem with alot of bands is they want to play a sold out venue. There's a big gap between arenas (16 to 20k capacity) and stadiums (40k to 70k capacity). You might sell out arenas, but if you play a stadium your moderately embarrassed because of all the empty seats. Scalping is generally possibilty because the demand is far higher than the supply. It creates all sorts of opportunities for a black market.

kasedoug said:

mandarine65 said:

Sure keep on believing that big corporations want your good! Have you ever heard of the Informant, illegal price-fixings? Ring a bell? Sorry to be abrupt but when a market leaves scalpers using bot programs scoring tickets, yes there is a problem. Three years ago I bought Springsteen GA ticket in a big city, no problem. Three years from it, same city, it was impossible. What changed? The fast rise of online reselling sites and bots. You just can't justify it on demand vs number of tickets this is BS (sports tickets can't be easily compared to the music ticks issue, different equation).

"Sure keep on believing that big corporations want your good!" What does that even mean? "Want my good?"

My comparison of sports vs. concerts to show the disparity was exactly that. Concerts are a much scarcer commodity, where you have only one, maybe a couple opportunities to see a band you want to see in your city every few years when they tour. Lots of other people want to see them same band as well. With the example of TOTD Philly, there are far more people than 3100 willing to pay the current face value price to get in. That's exactly where the secondary market comes into play. It helps set the true value of what people are willing to pay. Don't like the price? Don't buy. But there are people that are willing to pay more than face, especially for better seats, due to the scarcity and demand that playing a smaller venue creates. I tried the Philly 1 on-sale for sport and was able to cart tickets.
I got a Springsteen GA ticket four years ago in LA no problem. When he came back to close out the LA Sports Arena earlier this year? I got two GA tickets and I was up against all the bots you're talking about (and this was before they added two additional nights to meet demand). Want to know how I did it? Funny thing is that if you search for a single GA ticket, your odds are lot better than trying to find a pair. And if you can buy two separate GA singles in different transactions, when you could never find a pair of two together to begin with, it works out the exact same way. That strategy has worked more than a few times for me over the years. I've even had three separate occurrences where I've been able to buy two seats right next to one another as singles in separate transactions, when it wouldn't I couldn't find them together searching for a pair. That's a strategy I've developed, along with quite a few others, through lots of concert ticket on-sale attempts throughout the years.
I got a great seat for TOTD Seattle in the Chris Cornell pre-sale when I didn't even receive the emails until 5-6pm later that day. How? By having a friend who go the emails early think of me and tip me off. That's an additional resource that can help.
I'll be going to both Radiohead shows in LA (last night and Monday), which had absolutely insane demand, for free thanks to making the effort to call into a radio station to win tickets, and then putting forth additional effort and work to find a trade with someone who had an extra for the opposite night. Another resource.
Also, the initial "sell out" that causes everyone to panic and then overpay immediately on the secondary market is rarely ever a true sold out of every last ticket in the building. More often than not, there are production/promoter holds and additional tickets that are eventually released as it gets closer to the show. People grabbed tickets online yesterday to last night's "sold out" Radiohead show. Look at all the releases that have happened for Fenway this weekend. Always a way in if you keep trying and exhaust all your resources if you really want into the show. Also, that may include paying over face value from time to time when demand exceeds supply.
One of my main points is that I think people need to temper their expectations quite a bit. Concerts are an experience that more and more people seem to enjoy and are willing to pay for, but the number of people wanting to go to shows has increased dramatically over the years (more than there are seats in a venue). Look at the 10C odds for highly in demand shows, and how people rank them because sometimes people are their own worst enemies by how they set priority order and hinder their chances. Single digit percentage odds mean that there are more than 10 people that want tickets for every single pair available. That's a ton of demand.
That's all from me. Good luck with all your future ticketing hopes.

I wanted to mean that big corporations like Livenation and Ticketmaster are not there to be fair to their customers, clearly the opposite. Believing that there is nothing wrong with them, that they are here for you own good is an illusion. These are shady companies. PJ tried to fought against them, they got dissed for it, but they were plain right and I wish people backed them up at that time. Other people are fighting against them and the current system right now, articles have been relayed here. They also just got sued and lost...
You got lucky with your tickets... Don't you think we all the tricks by now? I only buy tickets for one person, I try to use the pre-sales when I'm in time, I use the phone app instead of the cpu, etc.. We all know that.
You can read stories here of people at work with 5 computers on + cellphones who could not get a single ticket. You think all the TOTD tickets got sold out in half a second because of the demand? You are wrong and I don't need no other proof than Stubhub. At any high demand show, now, it's always the same story, you get all the tickets people could not buy on stubhub within hours if not minutes. You just can't argue against that. If it was because of high demand, than people would hold to their tickets. Well no, it's on Stubhub, because of bots and because of the resell market. Thousands of tickets for these high demand show that you claim sold out in seconds because there were not enough tickets for everyone, are there, what other proof do we need? Still 300 tickets for the first show of the first tour ever of TOTD in a small theater, with likelihood of getting EV, thus PJ who sells out any place they play at, and you still want to say that this is because of high demand?! Really? 300 fans that just realized they'd rather be on vacation or a bar that Friday?!!!!!!
And, I just cannot take this argument of don't like the price don't buy. The price are just increased because the system is fucked up. No one should pay a ticket more than it's face value. Why? Again because the bump is not due to high demand, the bump is due because the system set up by Ticketmaster and co. allow people to make money on the tickets, creating a secondary market that should not be there. But it's worse, it's not people anymore, it's softwares. I don't like conspiracy theories either, but if an investigation was to reveal that the people using the bots are tied to the ticket companies I would not be surprised.
I'm repeating myself here but ticket re-sell is called illegal in many countries. Make official re-sell illegal, you'll solve a big part of the problem, it is that simple. I just can't understand how you can try to defend that system.
Hell, I'll just pay $300 and pray no one pukes on me at the show!

Usually for PJ the fan club at MSG is the whole floor and a good chunk of the lower bowl of seats. And they're awarded by fan club seniority. It's hard to say if that will be the same for TOTD though because we don't know if they got the same number of seats and how they divided it up with the Soundgarden and Chris Cornell fans

When Temple of the Dog - the early 1990s grunge supergroup featuring Chris Cornell and Pearl Jam's Stone Gossard, Jeff Ament, Mike McCready and Matt Cameron - first began contemplating a tour to celebrate the 25th anniversary of their sole album, they weren't sure how it would be received. "We were a little anxious about what size venues we could play," Ament tells Rolling Stone. "We've never toured and are essentially a baby band."

They decided to hit just five cities, playing a mixture of big theaters and arenas. Much to their shock, nearly every ticket disappeared within minutes, with scalpers charging upwards of $1,399 for primo seats at the Madison Square Garden stop. "We're super excited," says Ament. "We can finally road test these songs and see what they become."

The songs - born out of the extreme grief Cornell felt after Mother Love Bone singer Andy Wood died of a heroin overdose in March 1990 - will be re-released on September 30th in four different configurations. The biggest one will contain two CDs, 1 DVD and 1 Blu-ray Audio disc. It contains seven unheard demos, five studio outtakes and live footage of Temple of the Dog shot between 1990 and 2011. Longtime Pearl Jam producer Brendan O'Brien remixed the album.

"The quarter-inch tapes got lost," says Ament. "The only way we could've used the original mixes would have been pulling it off a CD, which would have been inferior. Brendan really didn't mess with the levels, but he just pulled back a bit on the effects and reverb. The new mix is just a bit crisper. The way we listen to music is so different than 25 years ago. People have gotten used to so much clarity on the top end, and I think he really brought a lot of that out."

Pearl Jam have been on the road for the past few months, meaning that Temple of the Dog have yet to begin rehearsals for the tour kicking off November 4th in Upper Darby, Pennsylvania and wrapping up November 21st after a two-night stand at Seattle's Paramount Theater. "We've discussed what other songs we might play in addition to the 10 songs from the album," says Cornell. "But it was mostly left on the table to be discussed as a later date. It's still a mystery to me." Playing the album in sequence is a possibility. "Playing albums in sequence can be awesome or it can be very limiting," says McCready. "I hope we mix it up a little bit."

Pearl Jam have made the Mother Love Bone song "Crown of Thorns" a regular part of their live show, and it seems likely that Temple of the Dog will dip further into Mother Love Bone's catalog. "I think that makes a lot of sense," says Cornell. "There are also some songs that Andy wrote outside of Mother Love Bone that may or may not be something we can do. There's some other songs from that period we discussed, but there's been no decision made about anything other than what's on the album."

Cornell has performed the Pearl Jam songs "Better Man" and "Footsteps" (the latter having many similar musical elements as Temple of the Dog's "Times of Trouble") at his solo shows, but he doubts fans at these Temple of the Dog shows will hear any Pearl Jam or even Soundgarden tunes.

"I feel like that doesn't feel right in my gut," he says. "That's nothing that I talked about with anybody. It's just you asking and me reacting. It doesn't feel like the right thing, but I might change my mind." McCready feels the same way. "I'd love for this to be its own thing," he says. "We can maybe do some [Mother] Love Bone songs and some cool covers. But if Chris wants to do 'Better Man,' please. That's fine with me."

Then there's the issue of Eddie Vedder. He's not billed at any of the shows, even though he sings half of Temple of the Dog's most famous song, "Hunger Strike," and contributed backing vocals to three others. Might he drop by a show or two? "I can't say anything about that," says McCready. "I don't know if he is, and that's kind of up to him. I would love it if he did." Adds Cornell: "I don't think that's even been discussed, but we certainly haven't planned on it."

There are no Temple of the Dog plans beyond this November, but the group doesn't rule out booking more shows. "I hope if these go well, there will be more in the future," says McCready. "That's kind of why we didn't want to do an extensive tour. We just wanted to feel out the landscape. I hope we can go to Europe. It depends on how much fun we have with it, and how much people get out of it."

But the group stresses that a second Temple of the Dog record is less likely. "We'd have to feel really great about the songs," says Cornell. "It's a scary thing. I don't want to say they'd have to live up to the [first] album, but I wouldn't want it to take away from it either. It was the same issue with reforming Soundgarden. I'm super excited about writing new songs as long as we don't detract from what came before, and ultimately we did that. I think the same thing would apply to Temple."

Pap said:

demetrios said:

There are no Temple of the Dog plans beyond this November, but the group doesn't rule out booking more shows. "I hope if these go well, there will be more in the future," says McCready. "That's kind of why we didn't want to do an extensive tour. We just wanted to feel out the landscape. I hope we can go to Europe. It depends on how much fun we have with it, and how much people get out of it."

Yeah!!!

Wow! I printed my tickets today!

buddy of mine in Vancouver got two tickets to the Nov 20th show. SO JEALOUS.

demetrios said:

Hear Lost Temple of the Dog Song 'Black Cat'
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/hear-lost-temple-of-the-dog-song-black-cat-w434818

Wow! Very Tom Waits-esque!

TL170678 said:

November Hotel said:

Hope they play "Hey Baby" the Hendrix cover... Originally by M.A.C.C (mccready, ament, cameron, cornell)

If they do they will have to change the name to S.M.A.C.C. because of Stone

Or M.A.C.C.S.

Hey guys, I have 3 tickets for San Francisco (11/12). Looking to trade for NYC. PM me if interested!