Temple Of The Dog Tour and Re-issue Pre-Sale

rocardosoreis

Spartanacus said:

I would like to believe that in addition to TOTD, they'll play a couple PJ and SG songs, in addition to solo Ed and Chris, and MLB. I'm thinking 20 songs at least.

If Ed was so involved they would do a PJ + SG tour. They would not do as totd. Anyway if Ed appears, whether as a solo show or with the totd it will be awesome.

grantstoner43

AlaG said:

Is anyone else pissed by the number of fans who bought up tix to these shows with the intention of just trading them off for Fenway/Wrigley? Realize this happens with regular PJ dates all the time but reading the posts in GTF, you'd think over half the Philly tix are currently being held hostage by flippers.

On the flip side of this, during the sale on Friday, many were complaining they couldn't get in to ticketmaster and requested help. I got in, and bought an extra for one member, who then backed out after I had purchased the ticket. Then, later Friday I posted I had an extra, and got a few responses but committed to the first person who responded. He told me two times he was sending me money, then he just disappeared and is no longer even giving me the courtesy of answering my messages. Still trying to sell for face, and finally just posted on StubHub hoping for the best because I'm tired of fielding responses with nobody actually following through. Anyway, sometimes you try to do something good and you get screwed.

DL136722

I have (1) TOTD ticket MSG Monday 11/10 for sale in Section 224 Row 15 Seat 11 for face value. If interested pm me, thanks!

demetrios

mrussel1 said:

demetrios said:

Spartanacus said:

I would like to believe that in addition to TOTD, they'll play a couple PJ and SG songs, in addition to solo Ed and Chris, and MLB. I'm thinking 20 songs at least.

Was guessing the other day what if Pearl Jam and Soundgarden opened for Temple of the Dog this November? That would be pretty freaking sweet!

Now just need a ticket to their Seattle Night 2 show. Anyone got an extra? If so please let me know. The Ticketmaster gods were not in my favor last Friday. :(

Now you're talking turkey here! That would be the greatest 3 hour concert in history. Although poor MC....

I know. He could probably do it.

amerkel

Looking for a friend to exchange Wrigley 2 for my extra TOTD San Fran. Not going to sell my extra. I just want to do an even trade.
Who has an extra Wrigley 2 for me, and wants to go with me to TOTD in San Fran?!?!?

demetrios

For day's I keep trying for tickets on Ticketmaster. Keep getting different status changes trying to score a ticket.

Today, the status has changed to this since the morning with no hope of a change to keep trying (seeing the blue ticket load) that someone dropped tickets, try again.

"We were unable to process your request." in red.
Try again later.

Boooo!!!! :(

PJ_Soul

Thanks Pete said:

Is it possible for any band to buyout or rent a venue and then sell tickets through their fanclub?

I don't actually know the full answer to this I guess, but I'm pretty sure that most venues have a contract with Ticketmaster and are obligated to not do this, as it would put the venue/artist in direct competition with Ticketmaster. And why do all the venues do this? I found this (below) as a summary of why they choose to do business with Ticketmaster exclusively and pass up their right to rent directly to artists (but really it all boils down to the fact that Ticketmaster is a successful monopoly. Why they are legally allowed to be one is completely beyond me or any logical thought).

Marketing - Ticketmaster.com is one of the world's top five ecommerce sites (according to Ticketmaster). They get a lot of eyeballs everyday and they help steer those people to buy more tickets. They have a huge database of past ticket buyers and they know a lot about those people... things like what sort of tickets they've bought in the past, how likely they are to buy a ticket if they're presented with a discount via email, etc. For better or for worse, for many people, when they think of buying tickets to something, they think Ticketmaster. What does all this boil down to? Venues who choose Ticketmaster think they'll sell more tickets on Ticketmaster than they would on a competing platform (or on their own website, for instance).

Money - Ticketmaster sells more tickets than anybody else and they're the biggest company in the ticket selling game. That gives them certain financial resources that smaller companies don't have. TM has used this to their advantage by moving the industry toward very aggressive ticketing deals between ticketing companies and their venue clients. This comes in the form of giving more of the service charge per ticket back to the venue (rebates), and in cash to the venue in the form of a signing bonus or advance against future rebates. Venues are businesses too and, thus, they like "free" money in general (signing bonuses), as well as money now (advances) versus the same money later (rebates).

Expertise and a big team - Ticketmaster has been around for a long time. They have a giant organization. There are teams after groups after departments after divisions to handle various aspects of the ticket selling process (e.g., teams that help box offices "build" their events in the system, teams that create customer newsletters, teams that decide which events get which marketing assets on the site, etc.). It gives venues peace of mind that things will not get messed up somehow, and hopefully gives venues new insights they can use to help them sell more tickets.

Easy to find employees who know it - There is a workforce out there that knows how to work with Ticketmaster's software (think MS-DOS command line stuff, although I understand they're releasing new tools that are a little more current). It's been around for a long time and it's probably the most-used ticketing platform in major venues. If your box office manager decides to retire, you will have plenty of people to choose from who know TM's systems and how to work with the regional offices.

It works (mostly) - The ticketing company cliché is everybody says they're scalable and can handle a major on-sale without collapsing, and then they get a major on-sale and collapse. Ticketmaster is pretty reliable most of the time. You don't worry too much that the site is going to break or fold under traffic.

November Hotel

Hope they play "Hey Baby" the Hendrix cover... Originally by M.A.C.C (mccready, ament, cameron, cornell)

demetrios

November Hotel said:

Hope they play "Hey Baby" the Hendrix cover... Originally by M.A.C.C (mccready, ament, cameron, cornell)

That would be AMAZING if they did cover that one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mVZyPSaYug

RiotZact

^ Wow I never even knew that existed, it sounds awesome. I would say we have a pretty good chance at getting that one.

DL136722

With the reissue coming out it has 2 tracks that didn't make the original album so that's 12 TOTD songs along with the MLB reissue just recently announced, I'm thinking their set list at these shows will be from those two reissues along with the jimi cover by M. A. C. C. then hopefully some Mad Season tunes, hey, I can dream right?!

Thanks Pete

PJ_Soul said:

Thanks Pete said:

Is it possible for any band to buyout or rent a venue and then sell tickets through their fanclub?

I don't actually know the full answer to this I guess, but I'm pretty sure that most venues have a contract with Ticketmaster and are obligated to not do this, as it would put the venue/artist in direct competition with Ticketmaster. And why do all the venues do this? I found this (below) as a summary of why they choose to do business with Ticketmaster exclusively and pass up their right to rent directly to artists (but really it all boils down to the fact that Ticketmaster is a successful monopoly. Why they are legally allowed to be one is completely beyond me or any logical thought).

Marketing - Ticketmaster.com is one of the world's top five ecommerce sites (according to Ticketmaster). They get a lot of eyeballs everyday and they help steer those people to buy more tickets. They have a huge database of past ticket buyers and they know a lot about those people... things like what sort of tickets they've bought in the past, how likely they are to buy a ticket if they're presented with a discount via email, etc. For better or for worse, for many people, when they think of buying tickets to something, they think Ticketmaster. What does all this boil down to? Venues who choose Ticketmaster think they'll sell more tickets on Ticketmaster than they would on a competing platform (or on their own website, for instance).

Money - Ticketmaster sells more tickets than anybody else and they're the biggest company in the ticket selling game. That gives them certain financial resources that smaller companies don't have. TM has used this to their advantage by moving the industry toward very aggressive ticketing deals between ticketing companies and their venue clients. This comes in the form of giving more of the service charge per ticket back to the venue (rebates), and in cash to the venue in the form of a signing bonus or advance against future rebates. Venues are businesses too and, thus, they like "free" money in general (signing bonuses), as well as money now (advances) versus the same money later (rebates).

Expertise and a big team - Ticketmaster has been around for a long time. They have a giant organization. There are teams after groups after departments after divisions to handle various aspects of the ticket selling process (e.g., teams that help box offices "build" their events in the system, teams that create customer newsletters, teams that decide which events get which marketing assets on the site, etc.). It gives venues peace of mind that things will not get messed up somehow, and hopefully gives venues new insights they can use to help them sell more tickets.

Easy to find employees who know it - There is a workforce out there that knows how to work with Ticketmaster's software (think MS-DOS command line stuff, although I understand they're releasing new tools that are a little more current). It's been around for a long time and it's probably the most-used ticketing platform in major venues. If your box office manager decides to retire, you will have plenty of people to choose from who know TM's systems and how to work with the regional offices.

It works (mostly) - The ticketing company cliché is everybody says they're scalable and can handle a major on-sale without collapsing, and then they get a major on-sale and collapse. Ticketmaster is pretty reliable most of the time. You don't worry too much that the site is going to break or fold under traffic.

If I had the means to rent out The Garden for the charity of my choice, do you think I could get PJ to play and make tickets only available to 10C members?

PJ_Soul

Thanks Pete said:

PJ_Soul said:

Thanks Pete said:

Is it possible for any band to buyout or rent a venue and then sell tickets through their fanclub?

I don't actually know the full answer to this I guess, but I'm pretty sure that most venues have a contract with Ticketmaster and are obligated to not do this, as it would put the venue/artist in direct competition with Ticketmaster. And why do all the venues do this? I found this (below) as a summary of why they choose to do business with Ticketmaster exclusively and pass up their right to rent directly to artists (but really it all boils down to the fact that Ticketmaster is a successful monopoly. Why they are legally allowed to be one is completely beyond me or any logical thought).

Marketing - Ticketmaster.com is one of the world's top five ecommerce sites (according to Ticketmaster). They get a lot of eyeballs everyday and they help steer those people to buy more tickets. They have a huge database of past ticket buyers and they know a lot about those people... things like what sort of tickets they've bought in the past, how likely they are to buy a ticket if they're presented with a discount via email, etc. For better or for worse, for many people, when they think of buying tickets to something, they think Ticketmaster. What does all this boil down to? Venues who choose Ticketmaster think they'll sell more tickets on Ticketmaster than they would on a competing platform (or on their own website, for instance).

Money - Ticketmaster sells more tickets than anybody else and they're the biggest company in the ticket selling game. That gives them certain financial resources that smaller companies don't have. TM has used this to their advantage by moving the industry toward very aggressive ticketing deals between ticketing companies and their venue clients. This comes in the form of giving more of the service charge per ticket back to the venue (rebates), and in cash to the venue in the form of a signing bonus or advance against future rebates. Venues are businesses too and, thus, they like "free" money in general (signing bonuses), as well as money now (advances) versus the same money later (rebates).

Expertise and a big team - Ticketmaster has been around for a long time. They have a giant organization. There are teams after groups after departments after divisions to handle various aspects of the ticket selling process (e.g., teams that help box offices "build" their events in the system, teams that create customer newsletters, teams that decide which events get which marketing assets on the site, etc.). It gives venues peace of mind that things will not get messed up somehow, and hopefully gives venues new insights they can use to help them sell more tickets.

Easy to find employees who know it - There is a workforce out there that knows how to work with Ticketmaster's software (think MS-DOS command line stuff, although I understand they're releasing new tools that are a little more current). It's been around for a long time and it's probably the most-used ticketing platform in major venues. If your box office manager decides to retire, you will have plenty of people to choose from who know TM's systems and how to work with the regional offices.

It works (mostly) - The ticketing company cliché is everybody says they're scalable and can handle a major on-sale without collapsing, and then they get a major on-sale and collapse. Ticketmaster is pretty reliable most of the time. You don't worry too much that the site is going to break or fold under traffic.

If I had the means to rent out The Garden for the charity of my choice, do you think I could get PJ to play and make tickets only available to 10C members?

I know you can rent the arena (don't know how much it costs but probably a shitload), but I would imagine that comes with a contract regarding what you can and can't do. I have no idea if that would say that you're not allowed to privately sell tickets for event attendance. Certainly you could just give tix away for free to only 10C members. There is a phone number you can call to ask about that kind of thing on the MSG website. As for booking Pearl Jam..... they might do it if you gave them a good enough charitable incentive and/or $500,000+. That would be up to them obviously.

imca43

I was looking on stub hub for the philly 2 show. I counted up all the tix for sale at that time. It was just over 400. Which is approximately 1/6th of the seating capacity. I wanted to count up the other shows and figure out them ratios too but I was too sick to my stomach at that point. It would of just infuriated me further. Not to sound like a complete conspiracy nut but I cannot help but to think that there is something more going on with all these concert tix for sale like that. And not just TOD or PJ shows. Its rampant for most concerts. Most of the shows seemed to be sold out, well by 12 when they went on sale. Is ticketmaster in cahoots with stubhub? Is there a shady computer programmer at ticketmaster pulling a fast one? Is it simply bots? I just find it hard to believe that 400+ tix for a 3100 seat theatre are just the average joe reselling their tix.

riley540

imca43 said:

I was looking on stub hub for the philly 2 show. I counted up all the tix for sale at that time. It was just over 400. Which is approximately 1/6th of the seating capacity. I wanted to count up the other shows and figure out them ratios too but I was too sick to my stomach at that point. It would of just infuriated me further. Not to sound like a complete conspiracy nut but I cannot help but to think that there is something more going on with all these concert tix for sale like that. And not just TOD or PJ shows. Its rampant for most concerts. Most of the shows seemed to be sold out, well by 12 when they went on sale. Is ticketmaster in cahoots with stubhub? Is there a shady computer programmer at ticketmaster pulling a fast one? Is it simply bots? I just find it hard to believe that 400+ tix for a 3100 seat theatre are just the average joe reselling their tix.

Shady stuff. I was in LA this past spring and I wanted to see a hockey game. Right across from staples center is a stub hub box office. Staples center is a ticket master venue. They inflate prices based on what the other box office is offering. The step businesses seem a little "buddy buddy" if you ask me.

Down with electronic ticket sales!!! We shall all have to line up at box offices the day of to get tickets

mandarine65

riley540 said:

imca43 said:

I was looking on stub hub for the philly 2 show. I counted up all the tix for sale at that time. It was just over 400. Which is approximately 1/6th of the seating capacity. I wanted to count up the other shows and figure out them ratios too but I was too sick to my stomach at that point. It would of just infuriated me further. Not to sound like a complete conspiracy nut but I cannot help but to think that there is something more going on with all these concert tix for sale like that. And not just TOD or PJ shows. Its rampant for most concerts. Most of the shows seemed to be sold out, well by 12 when they went on sale. Is ticketmaster in cahoots with stubhub? Is there a shady computer programmer at ticketmaster pulling a fast one? Is it simply bots? I just find it hard to believe that 400+ tix for a 3100 seat theatre are just the average joe reselling their tix.

Shady stuff. I was in LA this past spring and I wanted to see a hockey game. Right across from staples center is a stub hub box office. Staples center is a ticket master venue. They inflate prices based on what the other box office is offering. The step businesses seem a little "buddy buddy" if you ask me.

Down with electronic ticket sales!!! We shall all have to line up at box offices the day of to get tickets

At this point, I'm not even sure why it is not clear to everyone, yes Ticketmaster and Stubhub, even if not owned by the same companies, do talk to each other! Yes, there is nothing defendable in Ticketmaster, they are just shady as f. and their actions in answer to the lawsuit just confirmed it by x1000.
In many countries ticket re-sale is illegal and called black market. We have to fight for the legal re-sell system to become illegal, or... go Mr. Robot, I'll be really down for some of the IT guys music fans to just spread some bots to the community, fight the bots by the bots!

kasedoug

mandarine65 said:

riley540 said:

imca43 said:

I was looking on stub hub for the philly 2 show. I counted up all the tix for sale at that time. It was just over 400. Which is approximately 1/6th of the seating capacity. I wanted to count up the other shows and figure out them ratios too but I was too sick to my stomach at that point. It would of just infuriated me further. Not to sound like a complete conspiracy nut but I cannot help but to think that there is something more going on with all these concert tix for sale like that. And not just TOD or PJ shows. Its rampant for most concerts. Most of the shows seemed to be sold out, well by 12 when they went on sale. Is ticketmaster in cahoots with stubhub? Is there a shady computer programmer at ticketmaster pulling a fast one? Is it simply bots? I just find it hard to believe that 400+ tix for a 3100 seat theatre are just the average joe reselling their tix.

Shady stuff. I was in LA this past spring and I wanted to see a hockey game. Right across from staples center is a stub hub box office. Staples center is a ticket master venue. They inflate prices based on what the other box office is offering. The step businesses seem a little "buddy buddy" if you ask me.

Down with electronic ticket sales!!! We shall all have to line up at box offices the day of to get tickets

At this point, I'm not even sure why it is not clear to everyone, yes Ticketmaster and Stubhub, even if not owned by the same companies, do talk to each other! Yes, there is nothing defendable in Ticketmaster, they are just shady as f. and their actions in answer to the lawsuit just confirmed it by x1000.
In many countries ticket re-sale is illegal and called black market. We have to fight for the legal re-sell system to become illegal, or... go Mr. Robot, I'll be really down for some of the IT guys music fans to just spread some bots to the community, fight the bots by the bots!

When will people realized that there are simply way more people that want tickets to a certain show than there are tickets available? Re-sellers realize that and capitalize on it. With regards to TOTD Philly, there are two possible solutions to cut out the re-sale market: play a bigger venue like an arena, which will still probably sell out but drive secondary market prices down due to more availability of tickets or raise the face value price of the TOTD Tower tickets high enough until there are only roughly 3,000 people (venue capacity) willing to pay the price to get in. In the latter, the band capitalizes more on the demand for their own show but takes flak for charging a more of an actual true value for the tickets. In your calculations, it also means that a strong majority of tickets, roughly 2700 of 3100 tickets (83%), ended up in their intended hands. Even within a single show, there's differing demand. PJ and TOTD have sold their tickets at one set price across the board, no matter if they're front row or very last row up behind the stage. There's no way the experience up close in the pit or the front row is the same as behind the stage in the upper level or the last row of the balcony. Lots more people want to be closer and there's excess demand for better seats while people have a hard time getting face for seats further away. It's not a perfect system, especially when there's excess demand.

Ticketmaster and StubHub are competitors in the ticket industry. Sure, they probably talk to one another but they also have litigated against each other. StubHub is also getting into selling tickets as a primary source (like Ticketmaster), through deals as the official ticket seller for the 76ers, where they'll be able to charge a true market price for games. Some games will cost more based on certain factors (day of the week, opponent, giveaway, etc) and some will cost less due to demand. Along those lines, I've purchased tons of tickets for baseball games far below face value on StubHub when it would have cost me a lot more to buy them directly from the team's site/Ticketmaster. A big factor is that if you want to see a Phillies game, for instance, you have 81 chances every year (x35-40K tickets) vs. only two chances to see Temple of the Dog in Philly in 2016 (x3000 tickets). Big difference.

Staples Center is an AXS venue (depending on the event, they sometimes use Ticketmaster but very infrequently now), which is the ticketing company created and owned by AEG (Staples Center, LA Kings, LA Live, LA Galaxy, StubHub Center, etc). AXS does utilize dynamic pricing for single game tickets (certain opponents cost more, giveaway nights, weekend nights). The Kings also offer discounted single seat tickets day of game, 25-50% off of face at the Staples Center box office only. Yes, there is a StubHub pickup location across the street from Staples. That acts as a Last Minute Services office for people to pick up tickets that they've bought, sometimes more than face value (if demand is high), or less than face value (low demand). In 2012, I wanted to see the Kings play in the Stanley Cup Final. Having given up our family's share of season tickets years before, I now needed to hope for either a last minute ticket release or buy on the secondary market. The night before Game 6, the Kings released some tickets. They are aware of the demand for their tickets and were priced accordingly ($499 + fees for the very last row at the top). I also scoured Craiglist and StubHub throughout the day and found a season ticket holder willing to sell me a ticket for $400, which likely paid the season ticket cost of a few of his seats for that game. Was I upset paying 3-4x over face value? Absolutely not. I looked at it like I saved $100 because my only other option was direct from the team for $500+ because I didn't have access to the season ticket price for playoff tickets. That season ticket holder had probably lost money for years on his investment due to low demand, and now it was finally paying off for him so he was capitalizing on it. I saw my favorite team win the Cup for the first time in franchise history and I'd pay that price any day for that experience. It was worth it to me.

Yes, StubHub exists and Ticketmaster has it's own re-sale component right on their own website. They both exist due to demand for tickets, which is sometimes in excess of supply, and at other times lower than the supply of tickets. Just ask GNR, who have had to slash the face value of their tickets on Ticketmaster in more than a few markets due to them overpricing them from the start and overestimating demand.

Just getting tired of the conspiracy theories when a lot of it is due to simple market forces.

mandarine65

kasedoug said:

mandarine65 said:

riley540 said:

imca43 said:

I was looking on stub hub for the philly 2 show. I counted up all the tix for sale at that time. It was just over 400. Which is approximately 1/6th of the seating capacity. I wanted to count up the other shows and figure out them ratios too but I was too sick to my stomach at that point. It would of just infuriated me further. Not to sound like a complete conspiracy nut but I cannot help but to think that there is something more going on with all these concert tix for sale like that. And not just TOD or PJ shows. Its rampant for most concerts. Most of the shows seemed to be sold out, well by 12 when they went on sale. Is ticketmaster in cahoots with stubhub? Is there a shady computer programmer at ticketmaster pulling a fast one? Is it simply bots? I just find it hard to believe that 400+ tix for a 3100 seat theatre are just the average joe reselling their tix.

Shady stuff. I was in LA this past spring and I wanted to see a hockey game. Right across from staples center is a stub hub box office. Staples center is a ticket master venue. They inflate prices based on what the other box office is offering. The step businesses seem a little "buddy buddy" if you ask me.

Down with electronic ticket sales!!! We shall all have to line up at box offices the day of to get tickets

At this point, I'm not even sure why it is not clear to everyone, yes Ticketmaster and Stubhub, even if not owned by the same companies, do talk to each other! Yes, there is nothing defendable in Ticketmaster, they are just shady as f. and their actions in answer to the lawsuit just confirmed it by x1000.
In many countries ticket re-sale is illegal and called black market. We have to fight for the legal re-sell system to become illegal, or... go Mr. Robot, I'll be really down for some of the IT guys music fans to just spread some bots to the community, fight the bots by the bots!

When will people realized that there are simply way more people that want tickets to a certain show than there are tickets available? Re-sellers realize that and capitalize on it. With regards to TOTD Philly, there are two possible solutions to cut out the re-sale market: play a bigger venue like an arena, which will still probably sell out but drive secondary market prices down due to more availability of tickets or raise the face value price of the TOTD Tower tickets high enough until there are only roughly 3,000 people (venue capacity) willing to pay the price to get in. In the latter, the band capitalizes more on the demand for their own show but takes flak for charging a more of an actual true value for the tickets. In your calculations, it also means that a strong majority of tickets, roughly 2700 of 3100 tickets (83%), ended up in their intended hands. Even within a single show, there's differing demand. PJ and TOTD have sold their tickets at one set price across the board, no matter if they're front row or very last row up behind the stage. There's no way the experience up close in the pit or the front row is the same as behind the stage in the upper level or the last row of the balcony. Lots more people want to be closer and there's excess demand for better seats while people have a hard time getting face for seats further away. It's not a perfect system, especially when there's excess demand.

Ticketmaster and StubHub are competitors in the ticket industry. Sure, they probably talk to one another but they also have litigated against each other. StubHub is also getting into selling tickets as a primary source (like Ticketmaster), through deals as the official ticket seller for the 76ers, where they'll be able to charge a true market price for games. Some games will cost more based on certain factors (day of the week, opponent, giveaway, etc) and some will cost less due to demand. Along those lines, I've purchased tons of tickets for baseball games far below face value on StubHub when it would have cost me a lot more to buy them directly from the team's site/Ticketmaster. A big factor is that if you want to see a Phillies game, for instance, you have 81 chances every year (x35-40K tickets) vs. only two chances to see Temple of the Dog in Philly in 2016 (x3000 tickets). Big difference.

Staples Center is an AXS venue (depending on the event, they sometimes use Ticketmaster but very infrequently now), which is the ticketing company created and owned by AEG (Staples Center, LA Kings, LA Live, LA Galaxy, StubHub Center, etc). AXS does utilize dynamic pricing for single game tickets (certain opponents cost more, giveaway nights, weekend nights). The Kings also offer discounted single seat tickets day of game, 25-50% off of face at the Staples Center box office only. Yes, there is a StubHub pickup location across the street from Staples. That acts as a Last Minute Services office for people to pick up tickets that they've bought, sometimes more than face value (if demand is high), or less than face value (low demand). In 2012, I wanted to see the Kings play in the Stanley Cup Final. Having given up our family's share of season tickets years before, I now needed to hope for either a last minute ticket release or buy on the secondary market. The night before Game 6, the Kings released some tickets. They are aware of the demand for their tickets and were priced accordingly ($499 + fees for the very last row at the top). I also scoured Craiglist and StubHub throughout the day and found a season ticket holder willing to sell me a ticket for $400, which likely paid the season ticket cost of a few of his seats for that game. Was I upset paying 3-4x over face value? Absolutely not. I looked at it like I saved $100 because my only other option was direct from the team for $500+ because I didn't have access to the season ticket price for playoff tickets. That season ticket holder had probably lost money for years on his investment due to low demand, and now it was finally paying off for him so he was capitalizing on it. I saw my favorite team win the Cup for the first time in franchise history and I'd pay that price any day for that experience. It was worth it to me.

Yes, StubHub exists and Ticketmaster has it's own re-sale component right on their own website. They both exist due to demand for tickets, which is sometimes in excess of supply, and at other times lower than the supply of tickets. Just ask GNR, who have had to slash the face value of their tickets on Ticketmaster in more than a few markets due to them overpricing them from the start and overestimating demand.

Just getting tired of the conspiracy theories when a lot of it is due to simple market forces.

Sure keep on believing that big corporations want your good! Have you ever heard of the Informant, illegal price-fixings? Ring a bell? Sorry to be abrupt but when a market leaves scalpers using bot programs scoring tickets, yes there is a problem. Three years ago I bought Springsteen GA ticket in a big city, no problem. Three years from it, same city, it was impossible. What changed? The fast rise of online reselling sites and bots. You just can't justify it on demand vs number of tickets this is BS (sports tickets can't be easily compared to the music ticks issue, different equation).

kasedoug

mandarine65 said:

Sure keep on believing that big corporations want your good! Have you ever heard of the Informant, illegal price-fixings? Ring a bell? Sorry to be abrupt but when a market leaves scalpers using bot programs scoring tickets, yes there is a problem. Three years ago I bought Springsteen GA ticket in a big city, no problem. Three years from it, same city, it was impossible. What changed? The fast rise of online reselling sites and bots. You just can't justify it on demand vs number of tickets this is BS (sports tickets can't be easily compared to the music ticks issue, different equation).

"Sure keep on believing that big corporations want your good!" What does that even mean? "Want my good?"

My comparison of sports vs. concerts to show the disparity was exactly that. Concerts are a much scarcer commodity, where you have only one, maybe a couple opportunities to see a band you want to see in your city every few years when they tour. Lots of other people want to see them same band as well. With the example of TOTD Philly, there are far more people than 3100 willing to pay the current face value price to get in. That's exactly where the secondary market comes into play. It helps set the true value of what people are willing to pay. Don't like the price? Don't buy. But there are people that are willing to pay more than face, especially for better seats, due to the scarcity and demand that playing a smaller venue creates. I tried the Philly 1 on-sale for sport and was able to cart tickets.
I got a Springsteen GA ticket four years ago in LA no problem. When he came back to close out the LA Sports Arena earlier this year? I got two GA tickets and I was up against all the bots you're talking about (and this was before they added two additional nights to meet demand). Want to know how I did it? Funny thing is that if you search for a single GA ticket, your odds are lot better than trying to find a pair. And if you can buy two separate GA singles in different transactions, when you could never find a pair of two together to begin with, it works out the exact same way. That strategy has worked more than a few times for me over the years. I've even had three separate occurrences where I've been able to buy two seats right next to one another as singles in separate transactions, when it wouldn't I couldn't find them together searching for a pair. That's a strategy I've developed, along with quite a few others, through lots of concert ticket on-sale attempts throughout the years.
I got a great seat for TOTD Seattle in the Chris Cornell pre-sale when I didn't even receive the emails until 5-6pm later that day. How? By having a friend who go the emails early think of me and tip me off. That's an additional resource that can help.
I'll be going to both Radiohead shows in LA (last night and Monday), which had absolutely insane demand, for free thanks to making the effort to call into a radio station to win tickets, and then putting forth additional effort and work to find a trade with someone who had an extra for the opposite night. Another resource.
Also, the initial "sell out" that causes everyone to panic and then overpay immediately on the secondary market is rarely ever a true sold out of every last ticket in the building. More often than not, there are production/promoter holds and additional tickets that are eventually released as it gets closer to the show. People grabbed tickets online yesterday to last night's "sold out" Radiohead show. Look at all the releases that have happened for Fenway this weekend. Always a way in if you keep trying and exhaust all your resources if you really want into the show. Also, that may include paying over face value from time to time when demand exceeds supply.
One of my main points is that I think people need to temper their expectations quite a bit. Concerts are an experience that more and more people seem to enjoy and are willing to pay for, but the number of people wanting to go to shows has increased dramatically over the years (more than there are seats in a venue). Look at the 10C odds for highly in demand shows, and how people rank them because sometimes people are their own worst enemies by how they set priority order and hinder their chances. Single digit percentage odds mean that there are more than 10 people that want tickets for every single pair available. That's a ton of demand.
That's all from me. Good luck with all your future ticketing hopes.

mandarine65

oh than me and tons of other might be freakin' stupid cause we just can't seem to score like you do. So yes, please let the system continue to be like that, let people scalp tickets for 10x times their price, let scalpers use programs to fuck people chances up, let's not change a thing.