Police abuse

Cliffy6745 said:

pjalive21 said:

g under p said:

Some police statistics for the first 6 months of 2016........

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/07/05/3794553/police-killings-2016/

Peace

1. race can be thrown out of this whole debate with those stats that came from a liberal website at that

2. that's a lot of people killed at the hands of police for whatever reason, but im sure between my city and Chicago the murder rate makes that small

Good god. It is that hard to see that there is a racism problem with law enforcement? Our resident cop is a perfect example...

He's not a cop.

g under p said:

dignin said:

pjalive21 said:

g under p said:

Some police statistics for the first 6 months of 2016........

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/07/05/3794553/police-killings-2016/

Peace

1. race can be thrown out of this whole debate with those stats that came from a liberal website at that

2. that's a lot of people killed at the hands of police for whatever reason, but im sure between my city and Chicago the murder rate makes that small

More info, please take the time to look at this








https://thesocietypages.org/toolbox/police-killing-of-blacks/

Those stats puts things in better perspective.

Peace

They sure do.

But cognitive bias being what it is the stats will be dismissed as being too liberally biased. It's funny how stats usually do have a liberal bias.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

dignin said:

pjalive21 said:

g under p said:

Some police statistics for the first 6 months of 2016........

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/07/05/3794553/police-killings-2016/

Peace

1. race can be thrown out of this whole debate with those stats that came from a liberal website at that

2. that's a lot of people killed at the hands of police for whatever reason, but im sure between my city and Chicago the murder rate makes that small

More info, please take the time to look at this








https://thesocietypages.org/toolbox/police-killing-of-blacks/

I've looked at these statistics.

Shocking how many white people have been killed- we never really hear of these.

There is a disproportionate amount of blacks killed than whites when considering population percentages, however I'd ask the following:

Do any factors such as socioeconomic status factor in to the victim base or are you suggesting these statistics point directly at racist cops?

I think the governor of Minnesota had a good point. Do you honestly believe that yesterdays shooting would have happened if the couple in that car was white?

Also, there is plenty of scientific evidence to show that cops (and anyone) are quicker to pull the trigger on black men than white.

This is no longer a debate as far as I'm concerned.

Correll, J. (2009). Racial bias in the decision to shoot? The Police Chief, 54-58.

This article reviews a Chicago study and two Denver studies that assessed how community participants compared to trained police officers in shoot/don’t shoot scenarios, where the race of the armed or unarmed target was manipulated. The researchers measured reaction time (time to make the decision to shoot or not) and errors. All three studies revealed that community participants consistently exhibited racial bias, so that a lower criterion to shoot was applied to Black targets compared to White targets. Like the community sample, the researchers found that police officers exhibited pronounced racial bias when reaction time was measured. However, importantly, officers showed no bias in terms of errors. That is, ultimately the officers made the right decision and were not impacted by race. The researchers attribute this finding for the officers to frequent, high quality, role play (e.g., Simunitions, computer scenarios) training in the use of force that can serve to extinguish the race-crime implicit bias for force decisions. [This article reviews Correll et al., 2007]

Correll, J., Park, B., Judd, C.M., & Wittenbrink, B. (2002). The police officer’s dilemma: Using ethnicity to disambiguate potentially threatening individuals. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 83(6), 1314-1329.

In this study, the researchers use a videogame to test the affect race has on shoot/don’t shoot decisions when there are African American and White targets holding guns or holding various non-threatening objects. Participants were told to “shoot” the armed targets and “not shoot” unarmed targets. In terms of response time, participants were quicker to shoot the armed African American than the armed White. Conversely the participants were quicker to “not shoot” the unarmed White. The most common errors were shooting the unarmed African American and not-shooting the armed White. All of these results are consistent with a Black-crime implicit bias and this bias was found in both African American and White participants.

Correll, J., Park, B., Judd, C.M., Wittenbrink, B., & Sadler, M.S. (2007). Across the thin blue line: Police officers and racial bias in the decision to shoot. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 92(6), 1006-1023.

In this replicated study, Correll and colleagues compare police officers to community members on their speed and accuracy with simulated decisions to shoot/don’t shoot Black and White armed/unarmed targets. Both the police and community samples exhibited robust racial bias when the researchers analyzed speed of decision making. With regard to accuracy, the officers’ decisions were “less susceptible to racial bias (p.1022).” The authors link the superior officer result to high quality police use-of-force training.


http://www.fairimpartialpolicing.com/bias/

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

So Dignin... you're responding that you believe the disproportionate kill rates are directly related to racist cops. Okay. I've heard you loud and clear.

Here's another question: do you feel racists become cops? Or do you feel cops become racists?

If you feel cops become racists... can you offer any reasons why that might be the case?

It's not about what I believe, it's about what the science tells us. The science is clear, unless you have some data that says different.

I have no answers to your questions.

Edit: I haven't gotten an answer from you about the white vs. black couple question.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Yah. Okay. You've presented the data. Now your job is to make sense of it. If you haven't bothered to think about the factors that drive the data... then I'd suggest you probably shouldn't present it.

With that said... I think you have thought about it given the context for what you have presented. Stand behind your beliefs, Dignin. Or don't knock Godfather, Musky and PJFan whom all do no matter what you think of what they believe. You think cops are racist and that is the major reason for the 'disproportion'.

* As to your question, I guess I'd need to know what events led to the shooting.

The statistics you offered detail the fact that the majority of people killed by cops in any circumstance are white (as disproportionate as they might be).

So, if the white guy was, say, reaching for a gun... and the cop had received information prior to approaching the vehicle after running the plates that the white guy was a gang member... I'd say the white cut and the black guy would be in the same boat.

Not a surprise that you avoid the question and ignore the data (see above, maybe you missed it...I will give you a hint...it has to do with trigger times and race). Instead you have come up with some magical hypothetical situation to fit your view.

And why are you bringing up other posters here? What does that have to do with this discussion? Have I brought them up? Maybe stick to the topic. You almost always try and make things personal on this forum. It's pretty weak shit, but not a surprise.

Police Shootings Won't Stop Unless We Also Stop Shaking Down Black People

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/police-shootings-traffic-stops-excessive-fines

dignin said:

This is very true. Cops all around stop too much, create reasons for confrontation. And it happens far more often to African Americans.

A good first step would be for police to stop a abusing their power to begin a confrontation.

The poor African American community certainly hasn't helped their case by glorifying guns, killing each other, and the men fathering far too many kids by numerous partners. But all of that, while terrible, doesn't justify police using guns and killing people that clearly do not pose a threat. The cops have been going into situations assuming the worst of people. They are making decisions about who lives and who dies in a very cavalier manner.

And just like I believe the Muslim community must become far more vocal and lead the fight against extremists....I think the good cops out their should stop defending cops that abuse their power. And the African American community must step up, fix their family problem, and stop making their kids think having a gun and pulling a trigger makes them tough and strong.

cincybearcat said:

dignin said:

This is very true. Cops all around stop too much, create reasons for confrontation. And it happens far more often to African Americans.

A good first step would be for police to stop a abusing their power to begin a confrontation.

The poor African American community certainly hasn't helped their case by glorifying guns, killing each other, and the men fathering far too many kids by numerous partners. But all of that, while terrible, doesn't justify police using guns and killing people that clearly do not pose a threat. The cops have been going into situations assuming the worst of people. They are making decisions about who lives and who dies in a very cavalier manner.

And just like I believe the Muslim community must become far more vocal and lead the fight against extremists....I think the good cops out their should stop defending cops that abuse their power. And the African American community must step up, fix their family problem, and stop making their kids think having a gun and pulling a trigger makes them tough and strong.

Good post. Ignore the trolls response.

dignin said:

cincybearcat said:

dignin said:

This is very true. Cops all around stop too much, create reasons for confrontation. And it happens far more often to African Americans.

A good first step would be for police to stop a abusing their power to begin a confrontation.

The poor African American community certainly hasn't helped their case by glorifying guns, killing each other, and the men fathering far too many kids by numerous partners. But all of that, while terrible, doesn't justify police using guns and killing people that clearly do not pose a threat. The cops have been going into situations assuming the worst of people. They are making decisions about who lives and who dies in a very cavalier manner.

And just like I believe the Muslim community must become far more vocal and lead the fight against extremists....I think the good cops out their should stop defending cops that abuse their power. And the African American community must step up, fix their family problem, and stop making their kids think having a gun and pulling a trigger makes them tough and strong.

Good post. Ignore the trolls response.

I think that's the first time someone has labeled me a liberal around these parts