The Pearl Jam Problem: Superfans Have Ruined My Favorite Band (Article)

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  • Amongst the Ani
    Amongst the Ani @Wobbie Posts: 7,790
    I love how he complains about super fans but has a link to a Super fans 30 greatest PJ songs in the article that he made.
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  • mschostok
    mschostok Chicago, IL Posts: 858
    AceCool said:

    mschostok said:

    The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.

    I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.

    You may have missed my exact point. I'm all for changing the lyrics up every now and then to keep the song fresh, that's always cool to hear and see. But FORGETTING the lyrics entirely is unacceptable. And that is what I think Ed did over the weekend and has been doing for quite some time.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,027
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,027
    HesCalledDyer said:

    Superfans, entitlement, etc... but oh, oh, I gotta be on the rail for all 55 shows.

    Yeah no shit.
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  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,982
    I felt the same way.. I made it just past halfway. I felt the author was the same people he was criticizing. He'd seen them 55 times, so seeing a festival set that consisted of the more popular songs bored him to death.

    I know if I saw a greatest hits set I would be a little disappointed, but I don't think I'd go on rant criticizing everyone else about it.. lol
  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 3,060
    This irks me more than the nonsense that the author is clearly aiming at themselves ultimately: From the opening paragraph: "A sweltering, all-day endurance challenge to stand in line for front rail positioning was par for the course, a small penance as it was all part of an experience, a test of endurance in a full day of physical discomfort for a lifetime of memories from seeing Pearl Jam as close as you possibly can."

    From much deeper in the article: "It has become second nature to endure a full day of physical discomfort for a lifetime of memories from seeing Pearl Jam as close as you possibly can."

    I take it the editor called in sick the day this was posted, lol?
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  • AceCool
    AceCool Texas Posts: 455
    mschostok said:

    AceCool said:

    mschostok said:

    The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.

    I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.

    You may have missed my exact point. I'm all for changing the lyrics up every now and then to keep the song fresh, that's always cool to hear and see. But FORGETTING the lyrics entirely is unacceptable. And that is what I think Ed did over the weekend and has been doing for quite some time.
    I understand your point. I certainly don't let it bother me if he forgets the lyrics. That dude has so many lyrics to remember that I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often (especially when he gets two bottles of wine in).
  • mschostok
    mschostok Chicago, IL Posts: 858
    AceCool said:

    mschostok said:

    AceCool said:

    mschostok said:

    The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.

    I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.

    You may have missed my exact point. I'm all for changing the lyrics up every now and then to keep the song fresh, that's always cool to hear and see. But FORGETTING the lyrics entirely is unacceptable. And that is what I think Ed did over the weekend and has been doing for quite some time.
    I understand your point. I certainly don't let it bother me if he forgets the lyrics. That dude has so many lyrics to remember that I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often (especially when he gets two bottles of wine in).
    Yeah, that's true.
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,461
    P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

    http://www.craveonline.com/music/1000187-the-pearl-jam-problem-superfans-have-ruined-my-favorite-band

    Interesting read....

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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,911
    edited June 2016
    Anyone who sees them 55 times has issues and is entitled to some extent.

    I am on #25 with 5 EV shows and I would throw myself into that category too.



    To be very honest, we are a very tough fan base overall for outsiders to like and want to be a part of. I recall seeing a number of posts in the FB group ripping others apart for not knowing obscure songs, but getting excited for "hits". Front of the lines and merchandise is extremely competitive. Many of us think PJ is the greatest thing ever and will die on that hill. A great number of us also listen to nothing but Pearl Jam, which many would find odd.

    We are a very passionate bunch. Much like Bernie Sanders supporters or Beachbody coaches. In convo, we start with the Pearl Jam, no doubt our friends and loved ones roll their eyes and tune us out.

    I brought a friend to a show and he felt pretty out of place when Binaural was being played. Also everyone knowing all the lyrics and the little "cues" everyone picks up on during songs, etc. It was a bit intimidating/overwhelming I think.
    Post edited by MayDay10 on
  • Cosmic Slop
    Cosmic Slop Posts: 107
    If you've been to Bonnaroo before and were actually at the show then you know that most of this article is on point.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,027
    edited June 2016
    AceCool said:

    mschostok said:

    AceCool said:

    mschostok said:

    The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.

    I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.

    You may have missed my exact point. I'm all for changing the lyrics up every now and then to keep the song fresh, that's always cool to hear and see. But FORGETTING the lyrics entirely is unacceptable. And that is what I think Ed did over the weekend and has been doing for quite some time.
    I understand your point. I certainly don't let it bother me if he forgets the lyrics. That dude has so many lyrics to remember that I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often (especially when he gets two bottles of wine in).
    I like it when Ed forgets lyrics. :lol:
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • WhatYouTaughtMe
    WhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
    PJ_Soul said:

    AceCool said:

    mschostok said:

    AceCool said:

    mschostok said:

    The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.

    I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.

    You may have missed my exact point. I'm all for changing the lyrics up every now and then to keep the song fresh, that's always cool to hear and see. But FORGETTING the lyrics entirely is unacceptable. And that is what I think Ed did over the weekend and has been doing for quite some time.
    I understand your point. I certainly don't let it bother me if he forgets the lyrics. That dude has so many lyrics to remember that I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often (especially when he gets two bottles of wine in).
    I like it when Ed forget lyrics. :lol:
    It makes him more relatable to stoners.
  • RVM1978
    RVM1978 Leesburg, FL Posts: 320
    P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

    This article pissed me off way more:
    http://townhall.com/columnists/bryancrabtree/2016/06/14/america-attacked--bonnaroo--pearl-jam-exemplify-root-of-us-delusion-n2177833

    Boy, you ain't kidding about that. His entire retort towards Vedder was to just keep his mouth shut. As if to say, Vedder's not a citizen, he shouldn't speak up, he doesn't contribute anything to society, he is too naive, he doesn't share my same beliefs, or he should just sing and play guitar and that's it. I just want to say to that swinging d!ck bag who wrote the article, nobody wants your opinion either. Go to your room and write out your own diatribes about how free speech is something to be condemned. Then we'll all laugh at the terrible hypocrisy you seem to evoke.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    WhatYouTaughtMe said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    AceCool said:

    mschostok said:

    AceCool said:

    mschostok said:

    The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.

    I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.

    You may have missed my exact point. I'm all for changing the lyrics up every now and then to keep the song fresh, that's always cool to hear and see. But FORGETTING the lyrics entirely is unacceptable. And that is what I think Ed did over the weekend and has been doing for quite some time.
    I understand your point. I certainly don't let it bother me if he forgets the lyrics. That dude has so many lyrics to remember that I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often (especially when he gets two bottles of wine in).
    I like it when Ed forget lyrics. :lol:
    It makes him more relatable to stoners.
    :angry:




    OK, fine =)
  • pjalive21
    pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    edited June 2016
    RVM1978 said:

    P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

    This article pissed me off way more:
    http://townhall.com/columnists/bryancrabtree/2016/06/14/america-attacked--bonnaroo--pearl-jam-exemplify-root-of-us-delusion-n2177833

    Boy, you ain't kidding about that. His entire retort towards Vedder was to just keep his mouth shut. As if to say, Vedder's not a citizen, he shouldn't speak up, he doesn't contribute anything to society, he is too naive, he doesn't share my same beliefs, or he should just sing and play guitar and that's it. I just want to say to that swinging d!ck bag who wrote the article, nobody wants your opinion either. Go to your room and write out your own diatribes about how free speech is something to be condemned. Then we'll all laugh at the terrible hypocrisy you seem to evoke.
    Actually if you take the whole article and look at its context, that's not at all what he is saying. In that article his point is that its easy to stand on a stage in a place that is safe and spew that kind of diatribe. He lives a protected life that many people aren't afforded and he will never suffer many of the injustices that the average person will, so he see's the world this different lenses, hell the same could be said of the other side of thought. I see where he was coming from and have no problem with that article other than he did come close of the line of telling him to shut up and sing.

    Post edited by pjalive21 on
  • RVM1978
    RVM1978 Leesburg, FL Posts: 320
    P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

    http://www.craveonline.com/music/1000187-the-pearl-jam-problem-superfans-have-ruined-my-favorite-band

    Interesting read....

    That same writer also created a "30 Best Pearl Jam Songs" post in 2013. A list that did not include "Corduroy", "Alive", "Rearviewmirror", "Present Tense", "In Hiding", "Light Years", "I Am Mine", "Life Wasted", "The Fixer", or "Getaway". I'm not saying those are their best songs, but they are pretty high up there. Even though some are staples of live shows, or to some superfans, overplayed, it is honestly foolish to overlook at least 2 to 3, if not all of them.
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  • WhatYouTaughtMe
    WhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
    hedonist said:

    WhatYouTaughtMe said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    AceCool said:

    mschostok said:

    AceCool said:

    mschostok said:

    The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.

    I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.

    You may have missed my exact point. I'm all for changing the lyrics up every now and then to keep the song fresh, that's always cool to hear and see. But FORGETTING the lyrics entirely is unacceptable. And that is what I think Ed did over the weekend and has been doing for quite some time.
    I understand your point. I certainly don't let it bother me if he forgets the lyrics. That dude has so many lyrics to remember that I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often (especially when he gets two bottles of wine in).
    I like it when Ed forget lyrics. :lol:
    It makes him more relatable to stoners.
    :angry:




    OK, fine =)
    :smiley:
  • mr bungle
    mr bungle Posts: 1,426
    Pearl34Jam said:

    Well. Somebody had a lot of time on their hands.

    like all of us that loiter this site...

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