The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me. I really hope the band brings it for Wrigley and sets that fuckin place on fire.
P.S. leave the Lightning Bolt backdrop in Seattle please...
Milwaukee 2014 MSG 2016 1&2 Wrigley 2016 1&2 Eddie Vedder Obama Farewell Address 2017 Eddie Vedder Louisville, KY 2017 London 2018 1 Wrigley 2018 1&2 St. Louis 2020
The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.
I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.
The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.
I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.
Me too.
We should be thankful that they don't play the same 17 songs in the same order every night of the tour but instead give the fans something different (and long!) every night. When you are willing to go 100 songs deep in to your catalogue on a given tour, there are going to be missed lyrics as it is superhuman feat to even be able to play 100 songs on a given tour.
The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.
I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.
Me too.
We should be thankful that they don't play the same 17 songs in the same order every night of the tour but instead give the fans something different (and long!) every night. When you are willing to go 100 songs deep in to your catalogue on a given tour, there are going to be missed lyrics as it is superhuman feet to even be able to play 100 songs on a given tour.
Agreed. I would rather have them dig into the catalog and atleast attempt many different songs than just be perfect at like 20 of them.
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usually the day of the show chat at facebook or at phone with friends and we set a date at bar..go have a drink,then go to box office,get our tickets ,we wear the wristbands,we scan our tix at the entrance,we go in the pit,we chat,we laugh,get a drink,band on stage,we dance,sing laugh,smile,enjoy the show thats it,..,no drama...i dont have time to waste with stupid things and all tis crap
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Hate to admit it but he had some valid points, BUT he did come off as the same person he came to be disgusted by
this is actually a true statement as I have been pushed and shoved out of the way (and im not a small guy) at multiple shows (especially Wrigley 13) because someone wanted a poster and all I wanted was a damn tshirt. I have given up on merch completely
"financially secure fans seem to believe they can fortify fanboy superiority by buying up as much band-branded gear as they possibly can. While trying so very hard to prove that they are better fans, more devoted fans than the next warm body, these people alienate and eliminate the sense of community that once made these groups of fans a truly special collective. It becomes a mad rush for stuff, the bragging-rights stories and future Ebay listings dancing in the heads of those who have turned a visceral passion for music into a hoarding collector’s insecurity insulator."
The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.
I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.
You may have missed my exact point. I'm all for changing the lyrics up every now and then to keep the song fresh, that's always cool to hear and see. But FORGETTING the lyrics entirely is unacceptable. And that is what I think Ed did over the weekend and has been doing for quite some time.
Milwaukee 2014 MSG 2016 1&2 Wrigley 2016 1&2 Eddie Vedder Obama Farewell Address 2017 Eddie Vedder Louisville, KY 2017 London 2018 1 Wrigley 2018 1&2 St. Louis 2020
I felt the same way.. I made it just past halfway. I felt the author was the same people he was criticizing. He'd seen them 55 times, so seeing a festival set that consisted of the more popular songs bored him to death.
I know if I saw a greatest hits set I would be a little disappointed, but I don't think I'd go on rant criticizing everyone else about it.. lol
This irks me more than the nonsense that the author is clearly aiming at themselves ultimately: From the opening paragraph: "A sweltering, all-day endurance challenge to stand in line for front rail positioning was par for the course, a small penance as it was all part of an experience, a test of endurance in a full day of physical discomfort for a lifetime of memories from seeing Pearl Jam as close as you possibly can."
From much deeper in the article: "It has become second nature to endure a full day of physical discomfort for a lifetime of memories from seeing Pearl Jam as close as you possibly can."
I take it the editor called in sick the day this was posted, lol?
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The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.
I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.
You may have missed my exact point. I'm all for changing the lyrics up every now and then to keep the song fresh, that's always cool to hear and see. But FORGETTING the lyrics entirely is unacceptable. And that is what I think Ed did over the weekend and has been doing for quite some time.
I understand your point. I certainly don't let it bother me if he forgets the lyrics. That dude has so many lyrics to remember that I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often (especially when he gets two bottles of wine in).
The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.
I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.
You may have missed my exact point. I'm all for changing the lyrics up every now and then to keep the song fresh, that's always cool to hear and see. But FORGETTING the lyrics entirely is unacceptable. And that is what I think Ed did over the weekend and has been doing for quite some time.
I understand your point. I certainly don't let it bother me if he forgets the lyrics. That dude has so many lyrics to remember that I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often (especially when he gets two bottles of wine in).
Yeah, that's true.
Milwaukee 2014 MSG 2016 1&2 Wrigley 2016 1&2 Eddie Vedder Obama Farewell Address 2017 Eddie Vedder Louisville, KY 2017 London 2018 1 Wrigley 2018 1&2 St. Louis 2020
Anyone who sees them 55 times has issues and is entitled to some extent.
I am on #25 with 5 EV shows and I would throw myself into that category too.
To be very honest, we are a very tough fan base overall for outsiders to like and want to be a part of. I recall seeing a number of posts in the FB group ripping others apart for not knowing obscure songs, but getting excited for "hits". Front of the lines and merchandise is extremely competitive. Many of us think PJ is the greatest thing ever and will die on that hill. A great number of us also listen to nothing but Pearl Jam, which many would find odd.
We are a very passionate bunch. Much like Bernie Sanders supporters or Beachbody coaches. In convo, we start with the Pearl Jam, no doubt our friends and loved ones roll their eyes and tune us out.
I brought a friend to a show and he felt pretty out of place when Binaural was being played. Also everyone knowing all the lyrics and the little "cues" everyone picks up on during songs, etc. It was a bit intimidating/overwhelming I think.
The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.
I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.
You may have missed my exact point. I'm all for changing the lyrics up every now and then to keep the song fresh, that's always cool to hear and see. But FORGETTING the lyrics entirely is unacceptable. And that is what I think Ed did over the weekend and has been doing for quite some time.
I understand your point. I certainly don't let it bother me if he forgets the lyrics. That dude has so many lyrics to remember that I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often (especially when he gets two bottles of wine in).
I like it when Ed forgets lyrics.
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The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.
I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.
You may have missed my exact point. I'm all for changing the lyrics up every now and then to keep the song fresh, that's always cool to hear and see. But FORGETTING the lyrics entirely is unacceptable. And that is what I think Ed did over the weekend and has been doing for quite some time.
I understand your point. I certainly don't let it bother me if he forgets the lyrics. That dude has so many lyrics to remember that I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often (especially when he gets two bottles of wine in).
Boy, you ain't kidding about that. His entire retort towards Vedder was to just keep his mouth shut. As if to say, Vedder's not a citizen, he shouldn't speak up, he doesn't contribute anything to society, he is too naive, he doesn't share my same beliefs, or he should just sing and play guitar and that's it. I just want to say to that swinging d!ck bag who wrote the article, nobody wants your opinion either. Go to your room and write out your own diatribes about how free speech is something to be condemned. Then we'll all laugh at the terrible hypocrisy you seem to evoke.
The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.
I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.
You may have missed my exact point. I'm all for changing the lyrics up every now and then to keep the song fresh, that's always cool to hear and see. But FORGETTING the lyrics entirely is unacceptable. And that is what I think Ed did over the weekend and has been doing for quite some time.
I understand your point. I certainly don't let it bother me if he forgets the lyrics. That dude has so many lyrics to remember that I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often (especially when he gets two bottles of wine in).
Boy, you ain't kidding about that. His entire retort towards Vedder was to just keep his mouth shut. As if to say, Vedder's not a citizen, he shouldn't speak up, he doesn't contribute anything to society, he is too naive, he doesn't share my same beliefs, or he should just sing and play guitar and that's it. I just want to say to that swinging d!ck bag who wrote the article, nobody wants your opinion either. Go to your room and write out your own diatribes about how free speech is something to be condemned. Then we'll all laugh at the terrible hypocrisy you seem to evoke.
Actually if you take the whole article and look at its context, that's not at all what he is saying. In that article his point is that its easy to stand on a stage in a place that is safe and spew that kind of diatribe. He lives a protected life that many people aren't afforded and he will never suffer many of the injustices that the average person will, so he see's the world this different lenses, hell the same could be said of the other side of thought. I see where he was coming from and have no problem with that article other than he did come close of the line of telling him to shut up and sing.
That same writer also created a "30 Best Pearl Jam Songs" post in 2013. A list that did not include "Corduroy", "Alive", "Rearviewmirror", "Present Tense", "In Hiding", "Light Years", "I Am Mine", "Life Wasted", "The Fixer", or "Getaway". I'm not saying those are their best songs, but they are pretty high up there. Even though some are staples of live shows, or to some superfans, overplayed, it is honestly foolish to overlook at least 2 to 3, if not all of them.
The article came off very whiney. However, with that being said, forgetting the lyrics to songs is unacceptable. I understand it happens, but it seems like it happens often for Ed, especially as of late. Those lyrics might mean something to someone and forgetting them like its not a big deal really bugs me.
I disagree with this completely. This band isn't one that rehearses down to the note, has all their cues down pat and plays the song note for note the same way every performance. They have to be allowed to change it up as they see fit. Hell, Vedder could completely make up new lyrics to songs and it wouldn't bother me. As long as they work within the basic framework of the song it's cool in my book. The Grateful Dead (and Jerry Garcia especially) used to do that shit all the time. It's part of what made each show unique and interesting in its own right.
You may have missed my exact point. I'm all for changing the lyrics up every now and then to keep the song fresh, that's always cool to hear and see. But FORGETTING the lyrics entirely is unacceptable. And that is what I think Ed did over the weekend and has been doing for quite some time.
I understand your point. I certainly don't let it bother me if he forgets the lyrics. That dude has so many lyrics to remember that I'm amazed it doesn't happen more often (especially when he gets two bottles of wine in).
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P.S. leave the Lightning Bolt backdrop in Seattle please...
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It's unacceptable.
Where's the giant lemon?
We should be thankful that they don't play the same 17 songs in the same order every night of the tour but instead give the fans something different (and long!) every night. When you are willing to go 100 songs deep in to your catalogue on a given tour, there are going to be missed lyrics as it is superhuman feat to even be able to play 100 songs on a given tour.
Reason for edit: feat not feet!
2012: Atlanta
2013: London ONT / Wrigley Field / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / San Diego / Los Angeles I / Los Angeles II
2014: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Detroit / Denver
2015: New York City
2016: Ft. Lauderdale / Miami / Jacksonville / Greenville / Hampton / Columbia / Lexington / Philly II / New York City II / Toronto II / Bonnaroo / Telluride / Fenway I / Wrigley I / Wrigley - II / TOTD - Philadelphia, San Francisco
2017: Ohana Fest (EV)
2018: Amsterdam I / Amsterdam II / Seattle I / Seattle II / Boston I / Boston II
2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
2023: St. Paul II
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
thats it,..,no drama...i dont have time to waste with stupid things and all tis crap
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
this is actually a true statement as I have been pushed and shoved out of the way (and im not a small guy) at multiple shows (especially Wrigley 13) because someone wanted a poster and all I wanted was a damn tshirt. I have given up on merch completely
"financially secure fans seem to believe they can fortify fanboy superiority by buying up as much band-branded gear as they possibly can. While trying so very hard to prove that they are better fans, more devoted fans than the next warm body, these people alienate and eliminate the sense of community that once made these groups of fans a truly special collective. It becomes a mad rush for stuff, the bragging-rights stories and future Ebay listings dancing in the heads of those who have turned a visceral passion for music into a hoarding collector’s insecurity insulator."
Fuckus rules all
Rob
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St. Louis 2020
I know if I saw a greatest hits set I would be a little disappointed, but I don't think I'd go on rant criticizing everyone else about it.. lol
From much deeper in the article: "It has become second nature to endure a full day of physical discomfort for a lifetime of memories from seeing Pearl Jam as close as you possibly can."
I take it the editor called in sick the day this was posted, lol?
10-30-1991 Toronto, Toronto 1 & 2 2016, Toronto 2022
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Wrigley 2016 1&2
Eddie Vedder Obama Farewell Address 2017
Eddie Vedder Louisville, KY 2017
London 2018 1
Wrigley 2018 1&2
St. Louis 2020
I am on #25 with 5 EV shows and I would throw myself into that category too.
To be very honest, we are a very tough fan base overall for outsiders to like and want to be a part of. I recall seeing a number of posts in the FB group ripping others apart for not knowing obscure songs, but getting excited for "hits". Front of the lines and merchandise is extremely competitive. Many of us think PJ is the greatest thing ever and will die on that hill. A great number of us also listen to nothing but Pearl Jam, which many would find odd.
We are a very passionate bunch. Much like Bernie Sanders supporters or Beachbody coaches. In convo, we start with the Pearl Jam, no doubt our friends and loved ones roll their eyes and tune us out.
I brought a friend to a show and he felt pretty out of place when Binaural was being played. Also everyone knowing all the lyrics and the little "cues" everyone picks up on during songs, etc. It was a bit intimidating/overwhelming I think.
04/13/2003 - Tampa, FL; 10/08/2004 - Kissimmee, FL; 05/16 & 17/2006 - Chicago, IL;
05/19/2006 - Grand Rapids, MI; 05/22/2006 - Auburn Hills, MI; 08/05/2007 - Chicago, IL;
05/03/2010 - Kansas City, MO; 07/19/2013 - Chicago, IL; 04/13/16 - Jacksonville, FL;
OK, fine
04/13/2003 - Tampa, FL; 10/08/2004 - Kissimmee, FL; 05/16 & 17/2006 - Chicago, IL;
05/19/2006 - Grand Rapids, MI; 05/22/2006 - Auburn Hills, MI; 08/05/2007 - Chicago, IL;
05/03/2010 - Kansas City, MO; 07/19/2013 - Chicago, IL; 04/13/16 - Jacksonville, FL;