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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,907

    Again, I'm not a lawyer but I got the impression that detectives had the information. I don't know whether it was admitted as evidence during the trial or if not, why it wasn't.

    you can't bring things into a trial unless it was a previous conviction. according to Law & Order SVU, that's "prejudicial".
    also often times crimes committed as juveniles are sealed and not introduced.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    This scumbag is probably thrilled with the attack in Orlando, takes the heat off of him
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    pjhawks said:

    Again, I'm not a lawyer but I got the impression that detectives had the information. I don't know whether it was admitted as evidence during the trial or if not, why it wasn't.

    you can't bring things into a trial unless it was a previous conviction. according to Law & Order SVU, that's "prejudicial".
    also often times crimes committed as juveniles are sealed and not introduced.
    True on both counts. But I believe prior offenses are brought up after conviction when the jury is considering sentence. This guy lucked out with the judge sentencing. Of course, white male athlete privilege helped too.
    "The stars are all connected to the brain."
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236

    pjhawks said:

    Again, I'm not a lawyer but I got the impression that detectives had the information. I don't know whether it was admitted as evidence during the trial or if not, why it wasn't.

    you can't bring things into a trial unless it was a previous conviction. according to Law & Order SVU, that's "prejudicial".
    also often times crimes committed as juveniles are sealed and not introduced.
    True on both counts. But I believe prior offenses are brought up after conviction when the jury is considering sentence. This guy lucked out with the judge sentencing. Of course, white male athlete privilege helped too.
    Also a judge who was a jock lacrosse player from the same university who appears to have sympathized with a swimmer from the same university.

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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,825
    This story is so sickening. I can't believe what we continue to allow people to get away with.

    If I were this girls father I'm not sure that I would do. And if he goes after this rapist piece of shit, he should get me on his jury.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    cincy, I don't put this on we. I just cant - because I know most reasonable people would see this for what it is.

    Sickening, as you said.

    Allowing such a light and fucked up, worthy of angry torch-holders sentence is placed squarely on the shoulders of that POS "judge".
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    How much was that judge paid by the father?
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Too many commonalities in background and mindset that I don't think money was even an issue.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but it's almost like a "yeah!" high-five kind of thing.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,455
    maybe the judge is sympathetic for a reason. not an accusation, just thinking out loud.
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  • maybe the judge is sympathetic for a reason. not an accusation, just thinking out loud.

    There's no question he was sympathetic for a reason.

    People here are wondering what 'good' reason he might possibly have?

    The rationale he offered hardly suffices and just stinks. Jail will be too hard?

    Poor poor weird rapist.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,455

    maybe the judge is sympathetic for a reason. not an accusation, just thinking out loud.

    There's no question he was sympathetic for a reason.

    People here are wondering what 'good' reason he might possibly have?

    The rationale he offered hardly suffices and just stinks. Jail will be too hard?

    Poor poor weird rapist.
    is he sending him somewhere there's a pool so he can swim even faster when he gets out?
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    Well everyone things are FINALLY catching up to that judge.....

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/14/stanford-sexual-assault-judge-aaron-persky-removed-case

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    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,455
    g under p said:
    how does one remove a judge from the bench? who has the authority to "fire" him?
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,403

    g under p said:
    how does one remove a judge from the bench? who has the authority to "fire" him?
    He was elected
    He is currently up for reelection and running unopposed.
    Only recourse now is the recall process I believe
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,663

    maybe the judge is sympathetic for a reason. not an accusation, just thinking out loud.

    There's no question he was sympathetic for a reason.

    People here are wondering what 'good' reason he might possibly have?

    The rationale he offered hardly suffices and just stinks. Jail will be too hard?

    Poor poor weird rapist.
    Yeah, everyone has a reason for everything. The question is whether or not it's a logical, lawful, justifiable, acceptable reason for a judge to base a sentence on.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    Another spot on column from one of my favorite writers, Leonard Pitts: http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/06/fix_the_culture_that_makes_bro.html
    Fix the culture that makes Brock Turner possible

    This is a column about the value of six.

    Actually, it's about three individual sixes and their respective values. The first six came after a 23-year-old woman - her name has never been revealed - spoke in court to address the man who raped her last year, who took her out behind the dumpsters and penetrated her with his fingers after she had too much to drink and passed out at a party. He might have gone further, except that he was spotted by two passersby who tackled him when he tried to run.

    "You don't know me," she told 20-year-old Brock Turner, a former student at Stanford University, an Olympic hopeful in swimming, "but you've been inside me, and that's why we're here today."

    She spoke of the rape and its aftermath, including the fact that that awful night a year and a half ago has left her sleeping with the lights on "like a five year old." In her statement (which you can - and should - read at Buzzfeed.com) the woman describes how it felt, after a long and invasive rape exam, to finally be alone with herself in the shower.

    "I stood there examining my body beneath the stream of water and decided, I don't want my body anymore. I was terrified of it, I didn't know what had been in it, if it had been contaminated, who had touched it. I wanted to take off my body like a jacket and leave it at the hospital with everything else."

    Turner's father, Dan, also offered a statement, pleading for leniency for his son. "His life will never be the one that he dreamed about and worked so hard to achieve. That is a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action out of his 20-plus years of life."

    Turner was facing up to 14 years in prison. Judge Aaron Persky gave him the aforementioned six. Months.

    A harsher sentence "would have a severe impact on him," explained the judge.

    Persky's compassion for the rapist - and lack thereof for the victim - has detonated social media like a bomb. People are furious. They are weeping. They are calling Turner a "monster." At this writing, a petition at Change.org demanding Persky's recall stands north of 900,000 signatures.

    Which brings us to the second six.

    The Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network says that one woman in every six has been the victim of an attempted or completed sexual assault. It's an awesome, awful number. Think about it in terms of women you know. Think about Bonnie, Kadijah, Heather, Consuela, Sarah and Kim. One, two, three, four, five .

    Six.

    Maybe she's never told you about it, so maybe you think it didn't - couldn't - have happened, not to one of your six. But the numbers are what the numbers are. Maryum, Stephanie, Yumiko, Keshia, Laurie . and Pam. One, two, three, four, five .

    And six.

    It's not a big number. You were counting past it in kindergarten.

    For an American woman, it's a measure of the danger she faces from predatory men who consider her body to be their right. It is the difference between self-confidence and fear.

    For Turner's victim, it is a measure of the value the justice system placed on her trauma - and on her. It is the difference between the free woman she was and the frightened one she has become.

    For Turner, it is the fraction of his life he's been ordered to pay for the arrogant violation of another person's self. It is the difference between spring and fall.

    And here's the final six: According to RAINN, only six in every thousand perpetrators of sexual assault end up in prison.

    If you are a woman, or a man who cares about women, you ought to seethe, and then you ought to do whatever you can to fix a culture that makes possible a Brock Turner - and an Aaron Persky. Because, either way you look at it, the value of six is small - too small for safety, too small for solace.

    And way too small for justice.
    "The stars are all connected to the brain."
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    PJ_Soul said:

    maybe the judge is sympathetic for a reason. not an accusation, just thinking out loud.

    There's no question he was sympathetic for a reason.

    People here are wondering what 'good' reason he might possibly have?

    The rationale he offered hardly suffices and just stinks. Jail will be too hard?

    Poor poor weird rapist.
    Yeah, everyone has a reason for everything. The question is whether or not it's a logical, lawful, justifiable, acceptable reason for a judge to base a sentence on.
    Makes one think money could be involved.

    Kinda like that kid who got away on an affluent excuse. Then fled to Mexico w/ his mother in Dec.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,663
    Free said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    maybe the judge is sympathetic for a reason. not an accusation, just thinking out loud.

    There's no question he was sympathetic for a reason.

    People here are wondering what 'good' reason he might possibly have?

    The rationale he offered hardly suffices and just stinks. Jail will be too hard?

    Poor poor weird rapist.
    Yeah, everyone has a reason for everything. The question is whether or not it's a logical, lawful, justifiable, acceptable reason for a judge to base a sentence on.
    Makes one think money could be involved.

    Kinda like that kid who got away on an affluent excuse. Then fled to Mexico w/ his mother in Dec.
    Oh yeah, what was he called again? Afflicted by affluence or something like that? Affluence flu? The poor baby.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited June 2016
    Affluenza. So sheltered by his affluent Upbringing, he " didn't know any better" when he drank, drove and killed like 5 people.
    Post edited by Free on
  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    Ethan Couch. He and his mom were arrested and brought back. He's currently doing time in the county jail, having violated his probation.
    "The stars are all connected to the brain."